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Hi all
Many here do not know much about Islam
Or misunderstood
So I opened this topic for all to ask what they want about Islam and I'll answer
Many here do not know much about Islam
Or misunderstood
So I opened this topic for all to ask what they want about Islam and I'll answer
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Nin wrote:
Sonic Chris wrote:
[i]A thiest could just as easily reply "You don't have faith, therefore you don't know". It's a neverending cycle.
And I could argue "I used to have faith but I lost it"
Your move ;)[/i]
"What you experienced wasn't true faith" ;D
Sonic Chris wrote:
[i]A thiest could just as easily reply "You don't have faith, therefore you don't know". It's a neverending cycle.
And I could argue "I used to have faith but I lost it"
Your move ;)[/i]
"What you experienced wasn't true faith" ;D
What is the reason that will make you believe in God
Sonic Chris wrote:
A thiest could just as easily reply "You don't have faith, therefore you don't know". It's a neverending cycle.
And I could argue "I used to have faith but I lost it"
Your move ;)
A thiest could just as easily reply "You don't have faith, therefore you don't know". It's a neverending cycle.
And I could argue "I used to have faith but I lost it"
Your move ;)
Nin wrote:
Sonic Chris wrote:
[i]Of course, a christian would respond "You have to have faith". Faith can pretty much cancel out any argument to the non-existence of a god.
The argument of God as an act of faith doesn't cancel out any such argument of non-existance, it actually helps the atheist argument because instead of (lets say) Christians arguing for a metaphysical being, they're backing down and arguing God as nothing more than a concept or idea.[/i]
A thiest could just as easily reply "You don't have faith, therefore you don't know". It's a neverending cycle.
Sonic Chris wrote:
[i]Of course, a christian would respond "You have to have faith". Faith can pretty much cancel out any argument to the non-existence of a god.
The argument of God as an act of faith doesn't cancel out any such argument of non-existance, it actually helps the atheist argument because instead of (lets say) Christians arguing for a metaphysical being, they're backing down and arguing God as nothing more than a concept or idea.[/i]
A thiest could just as easily reply "You don't have faith, therefore you don't know". It's a neverending cycle.
Sonic Chris wrote:
Of course, a christian would respond "You have to have faith". Faith can pretty much cancel out any argument to the non-existence of a god.
You missed a chance to quote George Michael, that makes me sad.
The argument of God as an act of faith doesn't cancel out any such argument of non-existance, it actually helps the atheist argument because instead of (lets say) Christians arguing for a metaphysical being, they're backing down and arguing God as nothing more than a concept or idea.
God as a concept is something I can actually get behind somewhat easier because it'd mean arguing with an idea instead of someone presenting religion as fact.
Of course, a christian would respond "You have to have faith". Faith can pretty much cancel out any argument to the non-existence of a god.
You missed a chance to quote George Michael, that makes me sad.
The argument of God as an act of faith doesn't cancel out any such argument of non-existance, it actually helps the atheist argument because instead of (lets say) Christians arguing for a metaphysical being, they're backing down and arguing God as nothing more than a concept or idea.
God as a concept is something I can actually get behind somewhat easier because it'd mean arguing with an idea instead of someone presenting religion as fact.
Edgy wrote:
For someone who doesn't believe in God, the word of God being quoted as a reason why there can't be contradictions is in itself a contradiction.
A non-believer wouldn't believe in the word of God in the first place as being truth.
Again, that's just a constructive observation.
Christianity, aswell as many other religions, becomes very hard to disprove. There have been too many theories, theodicies and ideas over the years, and most make some sense. The only true way to disprove christianity is to refuse the definition and existence of a great deity.
Of course, a christian would respond "You have to have faith". Faith can pretty much cancel out any argument to the non-existence of a god.
For someone who doesn't believe in God, the word of God being quoted as a reason why there can't be contradictions is in itself a contradiction.
A non-believer wouldn't believe in the word of God in the first place as being truth.
Again, that's just a constructive observation.
Christianity, aswell as many other religions, becomes very hard to disprove. There have been too many theories, theodicies and ideas over the years, and most make some sense. The only true way to disprove christianity is to refuse the definition and existence of a great deity.
Of course, a christian would respond "You have to have faith". Faith can pretty much cancel out any argument to the non-existence of a god.
For someone who doesn't believe in God, the word of God being quoted as a reason why there can't be contradictions is in itself a contradiction.
A non-believer wouldn't believe in the word of God in the first place as being truth.
Again, that's just a constructive observation.
A non-believer wouldn't believe in the word of God in the first place as being truth.
Again, that's just a constructive observation.
Edgy wrote:
I'll be honest, I'm a little confused and have made this ovservation:
If I understand what that last part said, The word of God can not be contradicted as it is not the word of men?
For non-believers surely that is a contradiction rather than a relevancy?
I did not understand what you mean?
I'll be honest, I'm a little confused and have made this ovservation:
If I understand what that last part said, The word of God can not be contradicted as it is not the word of men?
For non-believers surely that is a contradiction rather than a relevancy?
I did not understand what you mean?
I'll be honest, I'm a little confused and have made this ovservation:
If I understand what that last part said, The word of God can not be contradicted as it is not the word of men?
For non-believers surely that is a contradiction rather than a relevancy?
If I understand what that last part said, The word of God can not be contradicted as it is not the word of men?
For non-believers surely that is a contradiction rather than a relevancy?
an other story
The lowest point on the earth
In this Article we will study God's saying: (The Romans have been defeated* in a land close by) to realize the greatness of our divine book (Qur'an) and to understand the amazing miracle in this verse...
The Qur'an tells us in an era when no man had got the knowledge to measure the lowest point on the surface of earth about a battle between the Romans and the Persians which was ended with a great victory to the Persians on the Romans , God says:( Alif-Lām-Mīm. [These letters are one of the miracles of the Qur'an, and none but Allah (Alone) knows their meanings]* The Romans have been defeated.* in a land close by (close by in the original Arabic text is: Adnaa), and they, after their defeat, will be victorious.* within three to nine years. The decision of the matter, before and after (these events) is only with Allah, (before the defeat of the Romans by the Persians, and after the defeat of the Persians by the Romans). And on that Day, the believers (i.e. Muslims) will rejoice (at the victory given by Allah to the Romans against the Persians)* with the help of Allah. He helps whom He wills, and He is the All-Mighty, the Most Merciful.* (It is) a Promise of Allah (i.e. Allah will give victory to the Romans against the Persians), and Allah fails not in His Promise, but most of men know not.* They know only the outside appearance of the life of the world (i.e. the matters of their livelihood, like irrigating or sowing or reaping, etc.), and they are heedless of the Hereafter.)(Sūrat Ar-Rūm- verse1-7)
In this verse there is a determination for the location of the battle which was (in a land close by), so what does it mean? Can we understand it as the nearest land like old explainers or there is another meaning?
A trip of scrutiny
The old explainers had explained (in a land close by) as the nearest land (for the Romans to the Arabs) which is the area around the Dead Sea .
I concentrated in God's saying about Al-Aqsa Mosque in the city of Jerusalem,
It is only 20 kilometer far from the Dead Sea (battle field), He be exalted says:
( Glorified (and Exalted) be He (Allah) Who took His slave (Muhammad) for a journey by night from Al-Masjid-al-Harām (at Makkah) to Al-Masjid-al-Aqsā (in Jerusalem), the neighborhood whereof We have blessed, in order that We might show him (Muhammad) of Our Ayāt (proofs, evidence, lessons, signs, etc.). Verily, He is the All-Hearer, the All-Seer) (Sūrat Al-Isrā- verse 1), here I started to wonder, how did Allah describe the area of the Dead Sea that it is (close by) (close by in the original Arabic text is: Adnaa as the word Adnaa means the nearer) after that God describes the mosque in Jerusalem with (Al-Aqsa) (Al- Aqsa in the original Arabic text means the farther)?
After that I started to study the geographical maps of the Battleground where I found that this area is one thousand and two hundred kilometer far from Mecca, so, how the Qur'an described this area with (close by) which was understood as the nearest place where it is in reality 1200 km far from Mecca (where prophet Mohamed and his people were living)?
Hence I realized that if Allah means the nearest so why did He used (close by)?
Many meanings for the word
Allah be He exalted had created seven heavens and He called the lowest heaven (the lower heaven), He says :( So He completed them as seven firmaments in two Days, and He assigned to each heaven its duty and command. And we adorned the lower heaven with lights, and (provided it) with guard. Such is the Decree of (Him) the Exalted in Might, Full of Knowledge) (Sūrat Fussilat- verse12)in the verse the word(the lower heaven) has got the meaning of the nearing to earth but it has another meaning which is the lowest heaven of the seven heavens.
Also God says :( And verily, we will make them taste of the near (near in the original Arabic text is: Adnaa as the word Adnaa has another meaning which is the fewer) torment (i.e. the torment in the life of this world, i.e. disasters, calamities, etc.) prior to the supreme torment (in the Hereafter), in order that they may (repent and) return (i.e. accept Islam).)(Sūrat as-Sajdah -verse21).
The explainers say that the word (the near) means the torments in this life but God doesnt mean by (the near) is near to us but He be exalted means the small torment because He be exalted and blessed is comparing between two kinds of torments:
1. The near torment (Adnaa) which is the low torment.
2. The supreme torment which is the big torment.
How can we understand this verse?
The word(close by)(Adnaa) has three meanings in the arabic language:
1. The nearer: as it is the nearest land of the Roman to the land of the Arabs.
2. The smaller:that area is so small and it doesn't exceed several kilometers when comapring with the area of all earth.
3. The lower:this area is the lowest area on earth as its surface is 422 metres (1,385 ft) below sea level.
This scientific preciseness can be found in God's saying :( Do they not then consider the Qur'an carefully? Had it been from other than Allah, they would surely have found therein many a contradiction.)(Sūrat An-Nisā- verse82).this verse tells us that because this is a divine book not a human book so we can't find any contradictions .where in the human books like science books we can find a proven theory in an era but in another era that theory could be corrected by another theory. But the Qur'an is valid for every era in every place.
A main characteristic in the Qur'an is that the Bedouin can understand it without any problem; also the nuclear scientists understand its meanings and the astronomers are the same. Which means it is a book that is valid for all people in all countries and in all eras.
The lowest point on the earth
In this Article we will study God's saying: (The Romans have been defeated* in a land close by) to realize the greatness of our divine book (Qur'an) and to understand the amazing miracle in this verse...
The Qur'an tells us in an era when no man had got the knowledge to measure the lowest point on the surface of earth about a battle between the Romans and the Persians which was ended with a great victory to the Persians on the Romans , God says:( Alif-Lām-Mīm. [These letters are one of the miracles of the Qur'an, and none but Allah (Alone) knows their meanings]* The Romans have been defeated.* in a land close by (close by in the original Arabic text is: Adnaa), and they, after their defeat, will be victorious.* within three to nine years. The decision of the matter, before and after (these events) is only with Allah, (before the defeat of the Romans by the Persians, and after the defeat of the Persians by the Romans). And on that Day, the believers (i.e. Muslims) will rejoice (at the victory given by Allah to the Romans against the Persians)* with the help of Allah. He helps whom He wills, and He is the All-Mighty, the Most Merciful.* (It is) a Promise of Allah (i.e. Allah will give victory to the Romans against the Persians), and Allah fails not in His Promise, but most of men know not.* They know only the outside appearance of the life of the world (i.e. the matters of their livelihood, like irrigating or sowing or reaping, etc.), and they are heedless of the Hereafter.)(Sūrat Ar-Rūm- verse1-7)
In this verse there is a determination for the location of the battle which was (in a land close by), so what does it mean? Can we understand it as the nearest land like old explainers or there is another meaning?
A trip of scrutiny
The old explainers had explained (in a land close by) as the nearest land (for the Romans to the Arabs) which is the area around the Dead Sea .
I concentrated in God's saying about Al-Aqsa Mosque in the city of Jerusalem,
It is only 20 kilometer far from the Dead Sea (battle field), He be exalted says:
( Glorified (and Exalted) be He (Allah) Who took His slave (Muhammad) for a journey by night from Al-Masjid-al-Harām (at Makkah) to Al-Masjid-al-Aqsā (in Jerusalem), the neighborhood whereof We have blessed, in order that We might show him (Muhammad) of Our Ayāt (proofs, evidence, lessons, signs, etc.). Verily, He is the All-Hearer, the All-Seer) (Sūrat Al-Isrā- verse 1), here I started to wonder, how did Allah describe the area of the Dead Sea that it is (close by) (close by in the original Arabic text is: Adnaa as the word Adnaa means the nearer) after that God describes the mosque in Jerusalem with (Al-Aqsa) (Al- Aqsa in the original Arabic text means the farther)?
After that I started to study the geographical maps of the Battleground where I found that this area is one thousand and two hundred kilometer far from Mecca, so, how the Qur'an described this area with (close by) which was understood as the nearest place where it is in reality 1200 km far from Mecca (where prophet Mohamed and his people were living)?
Hence I realized that if Allah means the nearest so why did He used (close by)?
Many meanings for the word
Allah be He exalted had created seven heavens and He called the lowest heaven (the lower heaven), He says :( So He completed them as seven firmaments in two Days, and He assigned to each heaven its duty and command. And we adorned the lower heaven with lights, and (provided it) with guard. Such is the Decree of (Him) the Exalted in Might, Full of Knowledge) (Sūrat Fussilat- verse12)in the verse the word(the lower heaven) has got the meaning of the nearing to earth but it has another meaning which is the lowest heaven of the seven heavens.
Also God says :( And verily, we will make them taste of the near (near in the original Arabic text is: Adnaa as the word Adnaa has another meaning which is the fewer) torment (i.e. the torment in the life of this world, i.e. disasters, calamities, etc.) prior to the supreme torment (in the Hereafter), in order that they may (repent and) return (i.e. accept Islam).)(Sūrat as-Sajdah -verse21).
The explainers say that the word (the near) means the torments in this life but God doesnt mean by (the near) is near to us but He be exalted means the small torment because He be exalted and blessed is comparing between two kinds of torments:
1. The near torment (Adnaa) which is the low torment.
2. The supreme torment which is the big torment.
How can we understand this verse?
The word(close by)(Adnaa) has three meanings in the arabic language:
1. The nearer: as it is the nearest land of the Roman to the land of the Arabs.
2. The smaller:that area is so small and it doesn't exceed several kilometers when comapring with the area of all earth.
3. The lower:this area is the lowest area on earth as its surface is 422 metres (1,385 ft) below sea level.
This scientific preciseness can be found in God's saying :( Do they not then consider the Qur'an carefully? Had it been from other than Allah, they would surely have found therein many a contradiction.)(Sūrat An-Nisā- verse82).this verse tells us that because this is a divine book not a human book so we can't find any contradictions .where in the human books like science books we can find a proven theory in an era but in another era that theory could be corrected by another theory. But the Qur'an is valid for every era in every place.
A main characteristic in the Qur'an is that the Bedouin can understand it without any problem; also the nuclear scientists understand its meanings and the astronomers are the same. Which means it is a book that is valid for all people in all countries and in all eras.
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