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Hi all
Many here do not know much about Islam
Or misunderstood
So I opened this topic for all to ask what they want about Islam and I'll answer
Many here do not know much about Islam
Or misunderstood
So I opened this topic for all to ask what they want about Islam and I'll answer
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Glad to see this thread is getting on track at last!AMEN
:¬P
Glad to see this thread is getting on track at last!AMEN
[s]Hmmm...[/s]
Grix Thraves wrote:
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Very good,what other farmyard animals can you do ?
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Very good,what other farmyard animals can you do ?
Muuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhh
the topic is for talk about islam not about unbeliever;)
Sonic Chris wrote:
Nin wrote:
[i]Just been talking to someone and once again had to defend my position of atheist-leaning agnostic and something interesting came to mind.
I was talking about my affection for Buddhism because of how, unlike basically every other religion, it avoids supernature in it's teachings and sticks firmly to issues in this world. I'd call it a philosophy more than the "real religion" it's usually referred to as. Anyway, the major defence you'll always get from atheists is that they cannot believe in this otherworldly force. So does the argued existence of this force damage Christianity by forcing away possibly believers?
I don't have any major philosophical problem with the message of Christianity but when you bring in the afterlife, judgement and any number of things that defy reality, that's something I want nothing to do with. Which brings me to this question
Does the existance of God damage Christianity?*
*Insert your own religion here
I'd say it doesn't, as the sole purpose of humans is to have a relationship with God (in christianity's eyes). If God didn't give humans freewill to choose what they want, then this relationship would be impossible.
Then again, I like to turn it on christians and retort "How can you have a relationship with the greatest concievable being?"[/i]
Isn't it about time that this 'roundabout' stopped? No solution is ever going to be achieved....it's just like arguing about whose football team is better because they have a better striker!
All humans rely on there being a 'being that is not human but could be but who is all seeing and capable of things that mere mortals are not' ie a God.
The trouble with this 'theory' is that:
a) this 'God' is 'worshipped' by all, under a different 'guise'
b) both sides in any conflict expect their 'God' to be of help, when infact it's the same 'unknown whatever' helping each side?
c)how can such a 'benevolent being' allow such world-wide travesties to have occured or occur in 'its' name
d)All our ancestors and as a result, ourselves..have to apportion blame to someone but never to our own actions ie crop failure, streams drying up, bad luck etc etc...and so an 'unknown being' is created to blame or to appease for such actions......
e)everyone is 'afraid' because 'fear' is always born of the 'unknown' and belief in a 'being' who has control of the 'unknown' helps mankind to justify its acts of 'the unknown'
Total 'bull manure' but my 'God' says that this is true :¬)
Nin wrote:
[i]Just been talking to someone and once again had to defend my position of atheist-leaning agnostic and something interesting came to mind.
I was talking about my affection for Buddhism because of how, unlike basically every other religion, it avoids supernature in it's teachings and sticks firmly to issues in this world. I'd call it a philosophy more than the "real religion" it's usually referred to as. Anyway, the major defence you'll always get from atheists is that they cannot believe in this otherworldly force. So does the argued existence of this force damage Christianity by forcing away possibly believers?
I don't have any major philosophical problem with the message of Christianity but when you bring in the afterlife, judgement and any number of things that defy reality, that's something I want nothing to do with. Which brings me to this question
Does the existance of God damage Christianity?*
*Insert your own religion here
I'd say it doesn't, as the sole purpose of humans is to have a relationship with God (in christianity's eyes). If God didn't give humans freewill to choose what they want, then this relationship would be impossible.
Then again, I like to turn it on christians and retort "How can you have a relationship with the greatest concievable being?"[/i]
Isn't it about time that this 'roundabout' stopped? No solution is ever going to be achieved....it's just like arguing about whose football team is better because they have a better striker!
All humans rely on there being a 'being that is not human but could be but who is all seeing and capable of things that mere mortals are not' ie a God.
The trouble with this 'theory' is that:
a) this 'God' is 'worshipped' by all, under a different 'guise'
b) both sides in any conflict expect their 'God' to be of help, when infact it's the same 'unknown whatever' helping each side?
c)how can such a 'benevolent being' allow such world-wide travesties to have occured or occur in 'its' name
d)All our ancestors and as a result, ourselves..have to apportion blame to someone but never to our own actions ie crop failure, streams drying up, bad luck etc etc...and so an 'unknown being' is created to blame or to appease for such actions......
e)everyone is 'afraid' because 'fear' is always born of the 'unknown' and belief in a 'being' who has control of the 'unknown' helps mankind to justify its acts of 'the unknown'
Total 'bull manure' but my 'God' says that this is true :¬)
Nin wrote:
Just been talking to someone and once again had to defend my position of atheist-leaning agnostic and something interesting came to mind.
I was talking about my affection for Buddhism because of how, unlike basically every other religion, it avoids supernature in it's teachings and sticks firmly to issues in this world. I'd call it a philosophy more than the "real religion" it's usually referred to as. Anyway, the major defence you'll always get from atheists is that they cannot believe in this otherworldly force. So does the argued existence of this force damage Christianity by forcing away possibly believers?
I don't have any major philosophical problem with the message of Christianity but when you bring in the afterlife, judgement and any number of things that defy reality, that's something I want nothing to do with. Which brings me to this question
Does the existance of God damage Christianity?*
*Insert your own religion here
I'd say it doesn't, as the sole purpose of humans is to have a relationship with God (in christianity's eyes). If God didn't give humans freewill to choose what they want, then this relationship would be impossible.
Then again, I like to turn it on christians and retort "How can you have a relationship with the greatest concievable being?"
Just been talking to someone and once again had to defend my position of atheist-leaning agnostic and something interesting came to mind.
I was talking about my affection for Buddhism because of how, unlike basically every other religion, it avoids supernature in it's teachings and sticks firmly to issues in this world. I'd call it a philosophy more than the "real religion" it's usually referred to as. Anyway, the major defence you'll always get from atheists is that they cannot believe in this otherworldly force. So does the argued existence of this force damage Christianity by forcing away possibly believers?
I don't have any major philosophical problem with the message of Christianity but when you bring in the afterlife, judgement and any number of things that defy reality, that's something I want nothing to do with. Which brings me to this question
Does the existance of God damage Christianity?*
*Insert your own religion here
I'd say it doesn't, as the sole purpose of humans is to have a relationship with God (in christianity's eyes). If God didn't give humans freewill to choose what they want, then this relationship would be impossible.
Then again, I like to turn it on christians and retort "How can you have a relationship with the greatest concievable being?"
Just been talking to someone and once again had to defend my position of atheist-leaning agnostic and something interesting came to mind.
I was talking about my affection for Buddhism because of how, unlike basically every other religion, it avoids supernature in it's teachings and sticks firmly to issues in this world. I'd call it a philosophy more than the "real religion" it's usually referred to as. Anyway, the major defence you'll always get from atheists is that they cannot believe in this otherworldly force. So does the argued existence of this force damage Christianity by forcing away possibly believers?
I don't have any major philosophical problem with the message of Christianity but when you bring in the afterlife, judgement and any number of things that defy reality, that's something I want nothing to do with. Which brings me to this question
Does the existance of God damage Christianity?*
*Insert your own religion here
I was talking about my affection for Buddhism because of how, unlike basically every other religion, it avoids supernature in it's teachings and sticks firmly to issues in this world. I'd call it a philosophy more than the "real religion" it's usually referred to as. Anyway, the major defence you'll always get from atheists is that they cannot believe in this otherworldly force. So does the argued existence of this force damage Christianity by forcing away possibly believers?
I don't have any major philosophical problem with the message of Christianity but when you bring in the afterlife, judgement and any number of things that defy reality, that's something I want nothing to do with. Which brings me to this question
Does the existance of God damage Christianity?*
*Insert your own religion here
Nin wrote:
pete_21 wrote:
[i]In most of the cases to which I was referring ,the kids got in with an undesirable crowd and the parents pretty much lost control of them.
Same here but the problems set in before that point because the parents hadn't fully established control and had just been rolling along assuming things would stay that way. It does go back to the "Parents as Gods" thing I mentioned. If the parents aren't the strongest influence, kids will find a new God to follow.
Perhaps the parents could have been stronger and prevented it ?,or maybe when certain kids get to an age where they realise the limits a parent can enforce they simply act as they like ?.
"My house, my rules" works for all ages but it has to be introduced earlier and ruthlessly enforced. You can't wait until they're 12 and then start telling them what to do.[/i]
Agreed that you have to set ground rules and stick to them. My kids know that. But I think many teenagers will naturally rebel against any form of rule setting, however long its been adopted. It's part of human nature at that age to question authority and to a certain extent that is healthy (and, going back to religion, if it didn't happen there would be fewer athiests!)
pete_21 wrote:
[i]In most of the cases to which I was referring ,the kids got in with an undesirable crowd and the parents pretty much lost control of them.
Same here but the problems set in before that point because the parents hadn't fully established control and had just been rolling along assuming things would stay that way. It does go back to the "Parents as Gods" thing I mentioned. If the parents aren't the strongest influence, kids will find a new God to follow.
Perhaps the parents could have been stronger and prevented it ?,or maybe when certain kids get to an age where they realise the limits a parent can enforce they simply act as they like ?.
"My house, my rules" works for all ages but it has to be introduced earlier and ruthlessly enforced. You can't wait until they're 12 and then start telling them what to do.[/i]
Agreed that you have to set ground rules and stick to them. My kids know that. But I think many teenagers will naturally rebel against any form of rule setting, however long its been adopted. It's part of human nature at that age to question authority and to a certain extent that is healthy (and, going back to religion, if it didn't happen there would be fewer athiests!)
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