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Pretty much confirmed news:
The Revolution will also be a wireless router for the home, connect broadband to it and it will allow nearby consoles to link and go online. Such as a DS for example.
Rumours:
Revolution will be VERY cheap, will be only a little more powerful than a Gamecube and vastly inferior to X-box 360 and PS3. There will be multiple controllers, touch screen, gyro and camera are all being touted.
If the latter is true then I told you Nintendo are gunning for a different market.
The Revolution will also be a wireless router for the home, connect broadband to it and it will allow nearby consoles to link and go online. Such as a DS for example.
Rumours:
Revolution will be VERY cheap, will be only a little more powerful than a Gamecube and vastly inferior to X-box 360 and PS3. There will be multiple controllers, touch screen, gyro and camera are all being touted.
If the latter is true then I told you Nintendo are gunning for a different market.
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FinalFantasyFanatic wrote:
> There's always room for improvement.
Not in these areas.
If there's room for improvement, it's in the coding, not the hardware.
Especially not when you're shelling out £200+ for a new console.
And general people don't have our refined taste in games, but they're not stupid altogether. The game machine is going to have to have SOMETHING about it in order for them to want it, especially with the price of the release.
The increase in graphics will barely be noticable compared to current generation graphics, 'specially not to your average pleb.
I can see so many people just sticking with their PS2s "until it goes down in price".
Point 2, even if Nintendo had graphics to match the Playstation then these people still reject it anyway because it's "kiddy".
Point 3, this console looks like it's not designed to compete with the Playstation I.E. if someone gets a Playstation, it won't be a full reason not to get the Nintendo if it offers something they like. Especially if the Nintendo one is a lot cheaper.
> There's always room for improvement.
Not in these areas.
If there's room for improvement, it's in the coding, not the hardware.
Especially not when you're shelling out £200+ for a new console.
And general people don't have our refined taste in games, but they're not stupid altogether. The game machine is going to have to have SOMETHING about it in order for them to want it, especially with the price of the release.
The increase in graphics will barely be noticable compared to current generation graphics, 'specially not to your average pleb.
I can see so many people just sticking with their PS2s "until it goes down in price".
Point 2, even if Nintendo had graphics to match the Playstation then these people still reject it anyway because it's "kiddy".
Point 3, this console looks like it's not designed to compete with the Playstation I.E. if someone gets a Playstation, it won't be a full reason not to get the Nintendo if it offers something they like. Especially if the Nintendo one is a lot cheaper.
Strafio wrote:
> Ahem. We already have that on the Gamecube? :-)
There's always room for improvement.
> If they do it for the sake of being different then there'll be
> problems,
I think that's what they're doing here.
but the Xbox's and Playstations are going to
> be stuck with "hi res" current gen clones for that long! :-)
Which will sell like nothing seen before.
Most people aren't sensible, you know, they like shiny new graphics and not much else.
> Ahem. We already have that on the Gamecube? :-)
There's always room for improvement.
> If they do it for the sake of being different then there'll be
> problems,
I think that's what they're doing here.
but the Xbox's and Playstations are going to
> be stuck with "hi res" current gen clones for that long! :-)
Which will sell like nothing seen before.
Most people aren't sensible, you know, they like shiny new graphics and not much else.
Strafio wrote:
> Yeah.
> They were making games they were interested in playing themselves.
And suddenly their interests have changed?
Despite hiring no new staff since 1983?
> Both examples are new ground the COULD cover.
> They clearly know what ground they want to cover.
> Comprendé?
Indeed. Could, but won't.
But should.
> All the idea's I've had as to where to use PS3 power, none of them
> involve the sort of things that make Nintendo games great.
I think we'll have to agree to disagree here.
> So what's the issue with the new console then?
The controller, mainly.
> Perhaps. But they're artists. They can only go where their
> hearts/interests lead them.
And also a massive world-wide inspirational company.
>If they have no inspiration for bigger
> polygon counts, then what are they supposed to do?
Get the new talent in.
> Yeah.
> They were making games they were interested in playing themselves.
And suddenly their interests have changed?
Despite hiring no new staff since 1983?
> Both examples are new ground the COULD cover.
> They clearly know what ground they want to cover.
> Comprendé?
Indeed. Could, but won't.
But should.
> All the idea's I've had as to where to use PS3 power, none of them
> involve the sort of things that make Nintendo games great.
I think we'll have to agree to disagree here.
> So what's the issue with the new console then?
The controller, mainly.
> Perhaps. But they're artists. They can only go where their
> hearts/interests lead them.
And also a massive world-wide inspirational company.
>If they have no inspiration for bigger
> polygon counts, then what are they supposed to do?
Get the new talent in.
It's only a console.
FinalFantasyFanatic wrote:
> Ah, I get where you're coming from now.
You're getting closer to my page. :-)
> I do feel the same - although, some extra power will just add another
> layer of quality into the games. Nothing miraculous - just more
> detail, more things moving on the screen, no slowdown at all. Who
> wouldn't want that?
Ahem. We already have that on the Gamecube? :-)
That's why I've been saying that a significant increase in power is pointless, and why the reasons that applied to the Snes and N64 for needing a more powerful successor don't apply to the Gamecube.
> But I don't think changing the interface is going to do anyone any
> good.
If they do it for the sake of being different then there'll be problems, but I'm guess they'll have some genuine ideas for it. Maybe not anything too special for a couple of years or so... it's completely new ground... but the Xbox's and Playstations are going to be stuck with "hi res" current gen clones for that long! :-)
> Ah, I get where you're coming from now.
You're getting closer to my page. :-)
> I do feel the same - although, some extra power will just add another
> layer of quality into the games. Nothing miraculous - just more
> detail, more things moving on the screen, no slowdown at all. Who
> wouldn't want that?
Ahem. We already have that on the Gamecube? :-)
That's why I've been saying that a significant increase in power is pointless, and why the reasons that applied to the Snes and N64 for needing a more powerful successor don't apply to the Gamecube.
> But I don't think changing the interface is going to do anyone any
> good.
If they do it for the sake of being different then there'll be problems, but I'm guess they'll have some genuine ideas for it. Maybe not anything too special for a couple of years or so... it's completely new ground... but the Xbox's and Playstations are going to be stuck with "hi res" current gen clones for that long! :-)
FinalFantasyFanatic wrote:
> Er ... what?
> So it was 'oh we're bored of that now' rather than 'oh look, people
> love this' ?
Yeah.
They were making games they were interested in playing themselves.
> Bores the hell out of me, too.
> And then we're onto the controller again? Where'd that come from?
Isn't that one of the main complaints besides the polygon pushing?
> If you want my extremely low opinions of other controlling methods,
> see yesterday's messages. Nothing's better than an actual controller.
Well, I've had issues trying to play Mario 64 with a touchscreen, but that was trying to get an N64 to work on the DS.
> What is?
They games they've designed for this new console?
That's another thing. You've all written it off without seeing what Nintendo will actually produce for it. Nintendo have always gone where they wanted to. That's what makes them Nintendo.
> Wait ... they're not covering new ground ... and now they are?
Both examples are new ground the COULD cover.
They clearly know what ground they want to cover.
Comprendé?
All the idea's I've had as to where to use PS3 power, none of them involve the sort of things that make Nintendo games great.
> When did I do that then? I love them.
So what's the issue with the new console then?
> Everyone makes mistakes.
Perhaps. But they're artists. They can only go where their hearts/interests lead them. If they have no inspiration for bigger polygon counts, then what are they supposed to do?
> Er ... what?
> So it was 'oh we're bored of that now' rather than 'oh look, people
> love this' ?
Yeah.
They were making games they were interested in playing themselves.
> Bores the hell out of me, too.
> And then we're onto the controller again? Where'd that come from?
Isn't that one of the main complaints besides the polygon pushing?
> If you want my extremely low opinions of other controlling methods,
> see yesterday's messages. Nothing's better than an actual controller.
Well, I've had issues trying to play Mario 64 with a touchscreen, but that was trying to get an N64 to work on the DS.
> What is?
They games they've designed for this new console?
That's another thing. You've all written it off without seeing what Nintendo will actually produce for it. Nintendo have always gone where they wanted to. That's what makes them Nintendo.
> Wait ... they're not covering new ground ... and now they are?
Both examples are new ground the COULD cover.
They clearly know what ground they want to cover.
Comprendé?
All the idea's I've had as to where to use PS3 power, none of them involve the sort of things that make Nintendo games great.
> When did I do that then? I love them.
So what's the issue with the new console then?
> Everyone makes mistakes.
Perhaps. But they're artists. They can only go where their hearts/interests lead them. If they have no inspiration for bigger polygon counts, then what are they supposed to do?
Strafio wrote:
> MS and Sony throw together the most powerful machines they can and
> hope for the best. Some third parties will find a use for this power.
> Most will just give the same old. And that's what Nintendo are saying.
> They have more ideas for changing the interface than they do for more
> processing powers.
>
> I mean, Nintendo being the creators should know their own ability
> best.
> If they say they have no use for extra power, what were they ever
> supposed to do with it?
Ah, I get where you're coming from now.
I do feel the same - although, some extra power will just add another layer of quality into the games. Nothing miraculous - just more detail, more things moving on the screen, no slowdown at all. Who wouldn't want that?
But I don't think changing the interface is going to do anyone any good.
> MS and Sony throw together the most powerful machines they can and
> hope for the best. Some third parties will find a use for this power.
> Most will just give the same old. And that's what Nintendo are saying.
> They have more ideas for changing the interface than they do for more
> processing powers.
>
> I mean, Nintendo being the creators should know their own ability
> best.
> If they say they have no use for extra power, what were they ever
> supposed to do with it?
Ah, I get where you're coming from now.
I do feel the same - although, some extra power will just add another layer of quality into the games. Nothing miraculous - just more detail, more things moving on the screen, no slowdown at all. Who wouldn't want that?
But I don't think changing the interface is going to do anyone any good.
Sony and MS don't make their killer games.
And yes, you're right. THey don't have a clue.
That's why they're just churning out bigger numbers rather than basing a console round game design.
Nintendo "masters of creation" are creating a master piece.
They know where they want to take games now so they build a console specifically designed for it.
MS and Sony throw together the most powerful machines they can and hope for the best. Some third parties will find a use for this power. Most will just give the same old. And that's what Nintendo are saying. They have more ideas for changing the interface than they do for more processing powers.
I mean, Nintendo being the creators should know their own ability best.
If they say they have no use for extra power, what were they ever supposed to do with it?
And yes, you're right. THey don't have a clue.
That's why they're just churning out bigger numbers rather than basing a console round game design.
Nintendo "masters of creation" are creating a master piece.
They know where they want to take games now so they build a console specifically designed for it.
MS and Sony throw together the most powerful machines they can and hope for the best. Some third parties will find a use for this power. Most will just give the same old. And that's what Nintendo are saying. They have more ideas for changing the interface than they do for more processing powers.
I mean, Nintendo being the creators should know their own ability best.
If they say they have no use for extra power, what were they ever supposed to do with it?
Strafio wrote:
> Because they had an interest in that sort of game at the time.
Er ... what?
So it was 'oh we're bored of that now' rather than 'oh look, people love this' ?
I was saying that Ninty have covered all game types before, so why the hell can't they do it again. Its not like they haven't got any experience in any particular genre.
> I was using Gran Tourismo as an example of a game that bores the hell
> out of me. Nintendo have their own tastes. And maybe they WILL make
> something like you're describing. Why would a game like that have to
> use a traditional controller?
Bores the hell out of me, too.
And then we're onto the controller again? Where'd that come from?
If you want my extremely low opinions of other controlling methods, see yesterday's messages. Nothing's better than an actual controller.
> Dude, this IS the next wave of Nintendo games.
What is?
>This is the new ground
> they haven't covered yet.
Wait ... they're not covering new ground ... and now they are?
>This is what Nintendo IS. This is why
> they've made games like they have so far. I mean, when have we ever
> expected a "type" of game from Nintendo that wasn't a
> sequel to another one they'd made?
> And as much as we want to play more OOT and Mario 64, isn't the whole
> reason why we loved them so much was that they hadn't been done
> before?
GC bulges with new games. What?
> And don't write Nintendo off so easily.
When did I do that then? I love them.
> They wouldn't be doing this if they didn't genuinely think it was the
> best way to make new games. I mean, what sort of Nintendoness has to
> be restricted to a traditional console?
Everyone makes mistakes.
> Because they had an interest in that sort of game at the time.
Er ... what?
So it was 'oh we're bored of that now' rather than 'oh look, people love this' ?
I was saying that Ninty have covered all game types before, so why the hell can't they do it again. Its not like they haven't got any experience in any particular genre.
> I was using Gran Tourismo as an example of a game that bores the hell
> out of me. Nintendo have their own tastes. And maybe they WILL make
> something like you're describing. Why would a game like that have to
> use a traditional controller?
Bores the hell out of me, too.
And then we're onto the controller again? Where'd that come from?
If you want my extremely low opinions of other controlling methods, see yesterday's messages. Nothing's better than an actual controller.
> Dude, this IS the next wave of Nintendo games.
What is?
>This is the new ground
> they haven't covered yet.
Wait ... they're not covering new ground ... and now they are?
>This is what Nintendo IS. This is why
> they've made games like they have so far. I mean, when have we ever
> expected a "type" of game from Nintendo that wasn't a
> sequel to another one they'd made?
> And as much as we want to play more OOT and Mario 64, isn't the whole
> reason why we loved them so much was that they hadn't been done
> before?
GC bulges with new games. What?
> And don't write Nintendo off so easily.
When did I do that then? I love them.
> They wouldn't be doing this if they didn't genuinely think it was the
> best way to make new games. I mean, what sort of Nintendoness has to
> be restricted to a traditional console?
Everyone makes mistakes.
What? So Sony and Microsoft have "ideas"?
They know what to do with all this extra power?
I have no idea what you're on about.
Personally, I wouldn't care if the next lot of consoles didn't turn up for a few years yet. But they're coming now, and that's that.
And you're here saying that Ninty ... you know, masters of creation, would not know what to do with that extra power? But the others have got it all cracked? They've ... what ... spotted some amazing extra special secret that Ninty have failed to pick up upon?
I was giving example as to where Ninty would use the extra power - as in, how they have utilised GC's power so well thus far. And, logically, would want to do again.
And ... yet ... I still have no idea what you're actual point here is.
They know what to do with all this extra power?
I have no idea what you're on about.
Personally, I wouldn't care if the next lot of consoles didn't turn up for a few years yet. But they're coming now, and that's that.
And you're here saying that Ninty ... you know, masters of creation, would not know what to do with that extra power? But the others have got it all cracked? They've ... what ... spotted some amazing extra special secret that Ninty have failed to pick up upon?
I was giving example as to where Ninty would use the extra power - as in, how they have utilised GC's power so well thus far. And, logically, would want to do again.
And ... yet ... I still have no idea what you're actual point here is.
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