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Pretty much confirmed news:
The Revolution will also be a wireless router for the home, connect broadband to it and it will allow nearby consoles to link and go online. Such as a DS for example.
Rumours:
Revolution will be VERY cheap, will be only a little more powerful than a Gamecube and vastly inferior to X-box 360 and PS3. There will be multiple controllers, touch screen, gyro and camera are all being touted.
If the latter is true then I told you Nintendo are gunning for a different market.
The Revolution will also be a wireless router for the home, connect broadband to it and it will allow nearby consoles to link and go online. Such as a DS for example.
Rumours:
Revolution will be VERY cheap, will be only a little more powerful than a Gamecube and vastly inferior to X-box 360 and PS3. There will be multiple controllers, touch screen, gyro and camera are all being touted.
If the latter is true then I told you Nintendo are gunning for a different market.
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FinalFantasyFanatic wrote:
> I wouldn't mind if they stuck with the GC for a good while yet.
> But it'd be financial suicide to do so, and that's the sad truth.
Not at all.
It's expensive and risky to release a new console.
All that it passed with the Gamecube, and now it their chance to really push it. They projected an estimated 50 million console salesa while back. If people can get it with Metroid Prime/Zelda/Mario for £50 or the ultimate party setup for less than £100, they'll be tempted atleast.
> But that's all the fun!
:-)
> I wouldn't mind if they stuck with the GC for a good while yet.
> But it'd be financial suicide to do so, and that's the sad truth.
Not at all.
It's expensive and risky to release a new console.
All that it passed with the Gamecube, and now it their chance to really push it. They projected an estimated 50 million console salesa while back. If people can get it with Metroid Prime/Zelda/Mario for £50 or the ultimate party setup for less than £100, they'll be tempted atleast.
> But that's all the fun!
:-)
FinalFantasyFanatic wrote:
> Yes there is. Yes, not as substantial as the improvement to this
> generation. But all the things I mentioned before ... they will
> improve things ... and there is indeed room for improvement ... and
> again, if its there, why not take it?
What, and charge people an extra £200 for it?
What's the point?
Smoothness and Playability is purely coding.
Yeah, graphics might look a little better but you'd barely notice, especially when playing the game.
> More detail, more things on screen, no slow-down, no pop-up, more
> ambient movement in environments, more interactivity with
> environments, larger play-areas.
All this can be done on the Gamecube if people want to.
If they haven't then it's an issue of coding/game design and more polygon pushing won't change a thing.
> All = improvements. And all ones that Ninty could put to good use.
Extra power not necessary.
> But how many people are going "woo! PS3, I'm getting one!"
> already?
> Loads and loads, and they know nothing about it.
Yeah. Loads of people did that for the N64 back in the day, before Nintendo blew it. And also, the PS2 only made it in the long run thanks to GTA3. I know loads of people who didn't rate it at launch.
> Not if they don't make 'kiddy' games.
These are people who count anything with Mario in as "kiddy".
Infact, the only Nintendo character (incidently, the single one that Miyamoto DIDN'T create) that couldn't be classed as "kiddy" is Samus.
> Hardly the greatest marketing stategy ever invented. "Yeah - go
> ahead! Buy the competition! Oh, wait, don't forget us now, will you!?
> Will you? Hey! Come back!"
So when was the last time the casual market chose Nintendo over Sony?
It's gonna happen whether Nintendo make a PS3 wannabe or not.
People get their Playstations, end of. But if Nintendo make something cheap and irresistably different then it could just get people's attention. More than another PS3 wannabe would.
> Ninty's old mistake again.
> They're in the same market as PS3 and XB360 whether they like it or
> not, and need to start acting so.
They don't have to be.
And what's this, they should act so.
Make games that sell?
In order for Nintendo to be the most successful, the chances are they'd have to give up everything that makes them special. I'd rather they were given the rats share of the market.
Nintendo will offer people gaming as they've never seen it before.
And yes, it could turn out to be gimmicky crap that doesn't make it outside of Japan. But what good would making a "Gamecube +" do anyone?
> Yes there is. Yes, not as substantial as the improvement to this
> generation. But all the things I mentioned before ... they will
> improve things ... and there is indeed room for improvement ... and
> again, if its there, why not take it?
What, and charge people an extra £200 for it?
What's the point?
Smoothness and Playability is purely coding.
Yeah, graphics might look a little better but you'd barely notice, especially when playing the game.
> More detail, more things on screen, no slow-down, no pop-up, more
> ambient movement in environments, more interactivity with
> environments, larger play-areas.
All this can be done on the Gamecube if people want to.
If they haven't then it's an issue of coding/game design and more polygon pushing won't change a thing.
> All = improvements. And all ones that Ninty could put to good use.
Extra power not necessary.
> But how many people are going "woo! PS3, I'm getting one!"
> already?
> Loads and loads, and they know nothing about it.
Yeah. Loads of people did that for the N64 back in the day, before Nintendo blew it. And also, the PS2 only made it in the long run thanks to GTA3. I know loads of people who didn't rate it at launch.
> Not if they don't make 'kiddy' games.
These are people who count anything with Mario in as "kiddy".
Infact, the only Nintendo character (incidently, the single one that Miyamoto DIDN'T create) that couldn't be classed as "kiddy" is Samus.
> Hardly the greatest marketing stategy ever invented. "Yeah - go
> ahead! Buy the competition! Oh, wait, don't forget us now, will you!?
> Will you? Hey! Come back!"
So when was the last time the casual market chose Nintendo over Sony?
It's gonna happen whether Nintendo make a PS3 wannabe or not.
People get their Playstations, end of. But if Nintendo make something cheap and irresistably different then it could just get people's attention. More than another PS3 wannabe would.
> Ninty's old mistake again.
> They're in the same market as PS3 and XB360 whether they like it or
> not, and need to start acting so.
They don't have to be.
And what's this, they should act so.
Make games that sell?
In order for Nintendo to be the most successful, the chances are they'd have to give up everything that makes them special. I'd rather they were given the rats share of the market.
Nintendo will offer people gaming as they've never seen it before.
And yes, it could turn out to be gimmicky crap that doesn't make it outside of Japan. But what good would making a "Gamecube +" do anyone?
Strafio wrote:
> Maybe...
> There was talk of panasonic's SD memory cards being a substitute.
> I don't think the hardrive it that necessary for your usual Nintendo
> game, although I've heard that this new console might sport one.
> Perhaps they've found some uses?
It's just handy for multiformat releases, why muck about with memory cards when another console makes them almost pointless?
I'm looking forward to FPS games with automatic custom soundtracks on xbox 2, the music will be balanced into the game so it won't overpower the game sounds like a stereo does.
> Maybe...
> There was talk of panasonic's SD memory cards being a substitute.
> I don't think the hardrive it that necessary for your usual Nintendo
> game, although I've heard that this new console might sport one.
> Perhaps they've found some uses?
It's just handy for multiformat releases, why muck about with memory cards when another console makes them almost pointless?
I'm looking forward to FPS games with automatic custom soundtracks on xbox 2, the music will be balanced into the game so it won't overpower the game sounds like a stereo does.
Strafio wrote:
> FinalFantasyFanatic wrote:
> I think that's what they're doing here.
>
> Maybe. But if they are, the next best thing to do would jack the next
> console war and undercut the competition with the Gamecube, which has
> the power to match up to them in gameplay. Making another PS3 or
> Xbox2 would be the WORST thing Nintendo could do. If they're going to
> do ANYTHING this round, it has to be something really distinctive and
> really different.
I wouldn't mind if they stuck with the GC for a good while yet.
But it'd be financial suicide to do so, and that's the sad truth.
> But let's not make judgements until we've seen what Nintendo are
> going to offer with this new setup.
But that's all the fun!
> FinalFantasyFanatic wrote:
> I think that's what they're doing here.
>
> Maybe. But if they are, the next best thing to do would jack the next
> console war and undercut the competition with the Gamecube, which has
> the power to match up to them in gameplay. Making another PS3 or
> Xbox2 would be the WORST thing Nintendo could do. If they're going to
> do ANYTHING this round, it has to be something really distinctive and
> really different.
I wouldn't mind if they stuck with the GC for a good while yet.
But it'd be financial suicide to do so, and that's the sad truth.
> But let's not make judgements until we've seen what Nintendo are
> going to offer with this new setup.
But that's all the fun!
Strafio wrote:
> Maybe...
> There was talk of panasonic's SD memory cards being a substitute.
> I don't think the hardrive it that necessary for your usual Nintendo
> game, although I've heard that this new console might sport one.
> Perhaps they've found some uses?
Well ... never needing memory cards, and a storage for the downloadable content from the (now officially confirmed, by the by) online games seems reason enough.
> Maybe...
> There was talk of panasonic's SD memory cards being a substitute.
> I don't think the hardrive it that necessary for your usual Nintendo
> game, although I've heard that this new console might sport one.
> Perhaps they've found some uses?
Well ... never needing memory cards, and a storage for the downloadable content from the (now officially confirmed, by the by) online games seems reason enough.
FinalFantasyFanatic wrote:
> Indeed. Could, but won't.
> But should.
Why?
Do what people think they should do?
They'd never manage to make anything decent.
Just something that seemed good at first, but turned out to be really shallow.
> I think we'll have to agree to disagree here.
Give me some examples in the way Nintendo could use the extra power, something that the Gamecube can't manage?
> The controller, mainly.
Let's give it a chance. :-)
> And also a massive world-wide inspirational company.
Yes, because they do what they want, which is why the usually end up leading the way rather than following.
> Get the new talent in.
Although that is a point of it's own, I don't think it would change Nintendo back to "traditional" games. You'd just have even crazier, more enthusiastic people than before. By the by, are you SURE of that fact. No new staff in 20 years? Something's not right about that. 20 years ago was when they first started the Nes! They've grown infinately since then!
> Indeed. Could, but won't.
> But should.
Why?
Do what people think they should do?
They'd never manage to make anything decent.
Just something that seemed good at first, but turned out to be really shallow.
> I think we'll have to agree to disagree here.
Give me some examples in the way Nintendo could use the extra power, something that the Gamecube can't manage?
> The controller, mainly.
Let's give it a chance. :-)
> And also a massive world-wide inspirational company.
Yes, because they do what they want, which is why the usually end up leading the way rather than following.
> Get the new talent in.
Although that is a point of it's own, I don't think it would change Nintendo back to "traditional" games. You'd just have even crazier, more enthusiastic people than before. By the by, are you SURE of that fact. No new staff in 20 years? Something's not right about that. 20 years ago was when they first started the Nes! They've grown infinately since then!
Strafio wrote:
> FinalFantasyFanatic wrote:
> There's always room for improvement.
>
> Not in these areas.
rargh! *punches self in face*
Yes there is. Yes, not as substantial as the improvement to this generation. But all the things I mentioned before ... they will improve things ... and there is indeed room for improvement ... and again, if its there, why not take it?
More detail, more things on screen, no slow-down, no pop-up, more ambient movement in environments, more interactivity with environments, larger play-areas.
All = improvements. And all ones that Ninty could put to good use.
> And general people don't have our refined taste in games, but they're
> not stupid altogether. The game machine is going to have to have
> SOMETHING about it in order for them to want it, especially with the
> price of the release.
> The increase in graphics will barely be noticable compared to current
> generation graphics, 'specially not to your average pleb.
But how many people are going "woo! PS3, I'm getting one!" already?
Loads and loads, and they know nothing about it.
> I can see so many people just sticking with their PS2s "until it
> goes down in price".
Hopefully.
> Point 2, even if Nintendo had graphics to match the Playstation then
> these people still reject it anyway because it's "kiddy".
Not if they don't make 'kiddy' games.
> Point 3, this console looks like it's not designed to compete with
> the Playstation I.E. if someone gets a Playstation, it won't be a
> full reason not to get the Nintendo if it offers something they like.
> Especially if the Nintendo one is a lot cheaper.
Hardly the greatest marketing stategy ever invented. "Yeah - go ahead! Buy the competition! Oh, wait, don't forget us now, will you!? Will you? Hey! Come back!"
Ninty's old mistake again.
They're in the same market as PS3 and XB360 whether they like it or not, and need to start acting so.
> FinalFantasyFanatic wrote:
> There's always room for improvement.
>
> Not in these areas.
rargh! *punches self in face*
Yes there is. Yes, not as substantial as the improvement to this generation. But all the things I mentioned before ... they will improve things ... and there is indeed room for improvement ... and again, if its there, why not take it?
More detail, more things on screen, no slow-down, no pop-up, more ambient movement in environments, more interactivity with environments, larger play-areas.
All = improvements. And all ones that Ninty could put to good use.
> And general people don't have our refined taste in games, but they're
> not stupid altogether. The game machine is going to have to have
> SOMETHING about it in order for them to want it, especially with the
> price of the release.
> The increase in graphics will barely be noticable compared to current
> generation graphics, 'specially not to your average pleb.
But how many people are going "woo! PS3, I'm getting one!" already?
Loads and loads, and they know nothing about it.
> I can see so many people just sticking with their PS2s "until it
> goes down in price".
Hopefully.
> Point 2, even if Nintendo had graphics to match the Playstation then
> these people still reject it anyway because it's "kiddy".
Not if they don't make 'kiddy' games.
> Point 3, this console looks like it's not designed to compete with
> the Playstation I.E. if someone gets a Playstation, it won't be a
> full reason not to get the Nintendo if it offers something they like.
> Especially if the Nintendo one is a lot cheaper.
Hardly the greatest marketing stategy ever invented. "Yeah - go ahead! Buy the competition! Oh, wait, don't forget us now, will you!? Will you? Hey! Come back!"
Ninty's old mistake again.
They're in the same market as PS3 and XB360 whether they like it or not, and need to start acting so.
Maybe...
There was talk of panasonic's SD memory cards being a substitute.
I don't think the hardrive it that necessary for your usual Nintendo game, although I've heard that this new console might sport one. Perhaps they've found some uses?
There was talk of panasonic's SD memory cards being a substitute.
I don't think the hardrive it that necessary for your usual Nintendo game, although I've heard that this new console might sport one. Perhaps they've found some uses?
FinalFantasyFanatic wrote:
> I think that's what they're doing here.
Maybe. But if they are, the next best thing to do would jack the next console war and undercut the competition with the Gamecube, which has the power to match up to them in gameplay. Making another PS3 or Xbox2 would be the WORST thing Nintendo could do. If they're going to do ANYTHING this round, it has to be something really distinctive and really different.
But let's not make judgements until we've seen what Nintendo are going to offer with this new setup.
> I think that's what they're doing here.
Maybe. But if they are, the next best thing to do would jack the next console war and undercut the competition with the Gamecube, which has the power to match up to them in gameplay. Making another PS3 or Xbox2 would be the WORST thing Nintendo could do. If they're going to do ANYTHING this round, it has to be something really distinctive and really different.
But let's not make judgements until we've seen what Nintendo are going to offer with this new setup.
Hardware?
The Cube could have done with a HD.
The Cube could have done with a HD.
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