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"You blind Ninty monkeys"

You think you're so smart with your nice new GameCubes. Happy with them are you? I know you are, you've told us enough times. Especially "Oooh, this controller is fantastic, it's much better than all the other controllers I've used".

Bollards.

Why can't you see it's exactly the same as the DualShock 2 but with less features? Let's run through this:

· D-pad - check
· Two analog sticks - check
· Four main buttons - check
· Shoulder buttons - check
· Rumble - nope
· Full analog on ALL buttons - nope
· 4 shoulder buttons - nope
· Analog sticks as sensitive as the DualShock 2 - nope
· Ability to drop for storeys and still work perfectly - nope

Excuse me if I'm wrong but surely if it's the SAME shape with the SAME layout but with less functions, that makes it worse? Oh no, sorry, I'm missing out the facts that it's purple and made by Nintendo, that automatically makes it far superior, I'm terribly sorry.

I dare any of you to prove to me that the GameCube controller is better than the DualShock 2 - and saying that "it's more comfortable" is a cop-out.

½pint well done on your posts, they were excellent and I'd like to see what Turbonutter can come up with to counter them.

I can't remember who mocked my post but there was no reason to. I didn't offend anyone, i tried to keep the topic clean by asking people to maintain a good debate and i get a reply calling me a Ninty and a silly little kid.

The whole point of forums is to debate and discuss the stuff rationally, and this topic is losing sight of that. I'm off to indulge in some GameCube shoulder-button stroking...exuse me.

Grix Thraves wrote:
> *takes off hat to Turbo*


You have no idea how little effort it took.

Gah, I can't believe I've been away. Is there anything that needs replying to? Are you still all banging your heads against brick walls or have you given up yet?

½pint wrote:
> Actually, Nintendo was the first manufacturer to put analogue sticks
> on their controllers. Atari had separate joysticks, which were
> neither analogue nor were they part of a 'proper' controller.

The Atari 5200 had analogue sticks on controllers, and this was launched in the early 80s, before Nintendo had even considered a home games console. The original home systems were all American.

Check out:
http://www.atari-history.com/5200joy.html

and

http://users.erols.com/tiltonj/games/tech/5200cont.html

Also http://www.channel3games.com/platforms/5200.shtml from which I quote:

"The 5200 did introduce several innovations that remain with us today. It was the first system to offer four controller ports, though it was also available in a (more common) two-port version that virtually assured a dearth of four-player games. It was also the first system to offer truly analog control"


> And why would that be? Because Sony realised that the proper
> PlayStation controller wasn't good enough and had to change it to
> compete with the N64

There was - and still is - nothing wrong with the original controller, and Sony certainly didn't need to compete with anyone. By the time the sticks were added, the PlayStation already had the market sewn up!


> Backwards compatability isn't essential, you know. If you own old
> PlayStation games, then you're going to own a PlayStation as well so
> why would you want to use your PS2? That is just an excuse, you know
> it.

The reason is perfectly valid. The backward compatibly is there, even if not essential. It was introduced as a bonus for owners of the original machine, and to open up a large existing software library to newcomers. I owned a PlayStation but sold it weeks after gteting my PS2, along with all the games I knew I wouldn't play again. And I kept - and still have - those that I want to play again and again.

Not only did this increase the PlayStation market by increasing the market of PS owners, but also subsidised the cost of buying a PS2. It's also better to have just one machine connect to the TV!

It was a bold, brave and original move by Sony, and had it been Nintendo doing it with the Gamecube playing SNES games, all the Ninties would be raving about how brilliant and original Nintendo were and how much they care abuot their loyal users!


> There isn't any reason why not to change the joypad around - if
> you DID want to play PSone games on your PS2, you could just have used
> a normal PSone controller. (duh)

But not if you'd sold it! It also provides a continuity between systems, giving something new, while maintaining some familiarity.


> This is going to be a never ending argument, but the fact is, the
> PSone controller is significantly more uncomfortable to hold than the
> GameCube.

Like I said, personal opinion which we should all agree to differ on and consign this thread to the bin! I've already said that I find the DualShock more comfortable because I have large hands, and find the rounded grips marginally more comfortable than the Gamecube's. But - again, as I said - there isn't much in it.

> This means it doesn't curve where your
> fingers want to bend around it making it more uncomfortable.

What more can I say? They do for me. If they don't for you, fair enough.

I remember having a similiar argument with Wookiemonster about a year ago.
Talking about the Analogue sticks and which console was the first to truly break new ground with them.
And of course I remember telling Turbonutter how he was so wrong in saying that the Dual Shock with its Analogue sticks appeared before the N64 pad.
Remember guys?

100th post!

WòókieeMøn§†€® wrote:

> Ahem. Atari had analohue sticks on their consoles before Nintendo had
> even released a home machine. Surely it is therefore Nintendo who
> took the retrograde step of releasing a non-analogue controller?

Actually, Nintendo was the first manufacturer to put analogue sticks on their controllers. Atari had separate joysticks, which were neither analogue nor were they part of a 'proper' controller.

>

>
> It is likely that they were under-used because the DualShock was not
> the standard PS1 controller, and therefore not everyone had them.
> However there was no reason that developers couldn't include analogue
> code for those that did.

And why would that be? Because Sony realised that the proper PlayStation controller wasn't good enough and had to change it to compete with the N64

> It would also have been unwise to play around with the layout of the
> DualShock2 because of the backwards-compatibility of the PS2 itself.

Backwards compatability isn't essential, you know. If you own old PlayStation games, then you're going to own a PlayStation as well so why would you want to use your PS2? That is just an excuse, you know it. There isn't any reason why not to change the joypad around - if you DID want to play PSone games on your PS2, you could just have used a normal PSone controller. (duh)


This is going to be a never ending argument, but the fact is, the PSone controller is significantly more uncomfortable to hold than the GameCube. The GC may be 'copying' the PS2, but since all joypads have buttons, essentially they're all copying each other. The same with the fact that they're made out of plastic. And that they're actually joypads in the first place.

What's wrong with the DualShock 2 is that it isn't ergonomical enough. While the GC controller is the right shape to fit nicely in your hand, and the Xbox gives a handy amount of grip, The Dualshock 2's handles aren't the right size. This means it doesn't curve where your fingers want to bend around it making it more uncomfortable.



Can't we all just get along though. The fact that not all PS2 games are compatable with the analogue sticks makes it obvious that Sony didn't care when keeping on the same controller as the PSone.


And we're all entitled to our own opinions and these opinions are different because we all have different sized hands.

End of story.

Hmmmmmmm......that block? was pretty good - I played Mario for the first time on a NES. Ahhhhhhhh.................

Dan2K2 wrote:
> NES pad is better than all pads.

I agree wholeheartedly. ;-)