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You think you're so smart with your nice new GameCubes. Happy with them are you? I know you are, you've told us enough times. Especially "Oooh, this controller is fantastic, it's much better than all the other controllers I've used".
Bollards.
Why can't you see it's exactly the same as the DualShock 2 but with less features? Let's run through this:
· D-pad - check
· Two analog sticks - check
· Four main buttons - check
· Shoulder buttons - check
· Rumble - nope
· Full analog on ALL buttons - nope
· 4 shoulder buttons - nope
· Analog sticks as sensitive as the DualShock 2 - nope
· Ability to drop for storeys and still work perfectly - nope
Excuse me if I'm wrong but surely if it's the SAME shape with the SAME layout but with less functions, that makes it worse? Oh no, sorry, I'm missing out the facts that it's purple and made by Nintendo, that automatically makes it far superior, I'm terribly sorry.
I dare any of you to prove to me that the GameCube controller is better than the DualShock 2 - and saying that "it's more comfortable" is a cop-out.
Bollards.
Why can't you see it's exactly the same as the DualShock 2 but with less features? Let's run through this:
· D-pad - check
· Two analog sticks - check
· Four main buttons - check
· Shoulder buttons - check
· Rumble - nope
· Full analog on ALL buttons - nope
· 4 shoulder buttons - nope
· Analog sticks as sensitive as the DualShock 2 - nope
· Ability to drop for storeys and still work perfectly - nope
Excuse me if I'm wrong but surely if it's the SAME shape with the SAME layout but with less functions, that makes it worse? Oh no, sorry, I'm missing out the facts that it's purple and made by Nintendo, that automatically makes it far superior, I'm terribly sorry.
I dare any of you to prove to me that the GameCube controller is better than the DualShock 2 - and saying that "it's more comfortable" is a cop-out.
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A duel is a fight between two people. Dual is an adjective that describes something of which there are two of.
Damn... spelt with an 'a' eh? Hmph... damn dirty 'a's...
Even if the duel shock was released before the N64, it wasn't released before Nintendo had shown their N64 controller design to the world...
And I didn't spell duel wrong did I...?
I missed the 'r' off controller though :(
And I didn't spell duel wrong did I...?
I missed the 'r' off controller though :(
He he... Sibs can't spell 'Dual' properly... he he...
;-)
This argument isn't about the DualShock 1, even though the original Dual Analog was released before the N64 in Japan, with rumble built in.
;-)
This argument isn't about the DualShock 1, even though the original Dual Analog was released before the N64 in Japan, with rumble built in.
He he... TBN can't spell 'replies' properly... he he...
;-)
Anyway, I still maintain that the PSX controlle was largely a copy of the SNES controller, albeit with 2 extra shoulder buttons to make it appear more advanced, and okay some prongs for a bit more comfort for those with larger hands, and the Duel SHock was simply a reaction to Sony seeing Nintendo were launching the N64 with an analogue stick on it. Whether or not Nintendo were the first with an analogue stick ever is irrelevant, Sony still would not have made the Duel Shock controller if Nintendo hadn't put an analogue stick on the N64 controller. Why? Because they were perfectly happy with the no rumble, no analogue PSX controller, but realising Nintendo now had a controller that looked more advanced due to an analogue controller and the ability to put in place a rumble pack, Sony decided they must implement these ideas in a controller of their own to keep up with the pack as it were.
Anyhow, which controller is 'best' is never going to be proved either way, it is completely subjective. It depends on the player and what they feel is more comfortable, and which controller they feel suits best the games they play. You can't prove a controller is better than another is with a bunch of facts and figures because it is an opinion. I could easily say the NES pad was best, and no-one could prove me wrong because it would be my opinion...
;-)
Anyway, I still maintain that the PSX controlle was largely a copy of the SNES controller, albeit with 2 extra shoulder buttons to make it appear more advanced, and okay some prongs for a bit more comfort for those with larger hands, and the Duel SHock was simply a reaction to Sony seeing Nintendo were launching the N64 with an analogue stick on it. Whether or not Nintendo were the first with an analogue stick ever is irrelevant, Sony still would not have made the Duel Shock controller if Nintendo hadn't put an analogue stick on the N64 controller. Why? Because they were perfectly happy with the no rumble, no analogue PSX controller, but realising Nintendo now had a controller that looked more advanced due to an analogue controller and the ability to put in place a rumble pack, Sony decided they must implement these ideas in a controller of their own to keep up with the pack as it were.
Anyhow, which controller is 'best' is never going to be proved either way, it is completely subjective. It depends on the player and what they feel is more comfortable, and which controller they feel suits best the games they play. You can't prove a controller is better than another is with a bunch of facts and figures because it is an opinion. I could easily say the NES pad was best, and no-one could prove me wrong because it would be my opinion...
Heh, yes, it was a mistake.
This topic's going to go on for a while, I'll get Snuggly to change it tomorrow.
This topic's going to go on for a while, I'll get Snuggly to change it tomorrow.
This has probably been said, but the GC controller does have Rumble.
½pint wrote:
> WòókieeMøn§†€® wrote:
>
> Ahem. Atari had analohue sticks on their consoles before Nintendo
> had
> even released a home machine. Surely it is therefore Nintendo who
> took the retrograde step of releasing a non-analogue controller?
>
> Actually, Nintendo was the first manufacturer to put analogue sticks
> on their controllers. Atari had separate joysticks, which were
> neither analogue nor were they part of a 'proper' controller.>
>
>
> It is likely that they were under-used because the DualShock was not
> the standard PS1 controller, and therefore not everyone had them.
> However there was no reason that developers couldn't include
> analogue
> code for those that did.
You obviously never owned a PlayStation. If you did you'd know that almost every game released after the DualShock included analog control.
> And why would that be? Because Sony realised that the proper
> PlayStation controller wasn't good enough and had to change it to
> compete with the N64
>
> It would also have been unwise to play around with the layout of the
> DualShock2 because of the backwards-compatibility of the PS2 itself.
>
> Backwards compatability isn't essential, you know. If you own old
> PlayStation games, then you're going to own a PlayStation as well so
> why would you want to use your PS2? That is just an excuse, you know
> it. There isn't any reason why not to change the joypad around - if
> you DID want to play PSone games on your PS2, you could just have used
> a normal PSone controller. (duh)
Er:
a) B-C is a big selling point, because it means you can sell your PSone to pay for a PS2 while still being able to play old classics when you get the urge. I know many GameCube owners who still have N64s for this reason.
b) The DualShock is a damn good design, one familliar and near perfect, so perfect that even Nintendo copied them :)
> This is going to be a never ending argument
Of course, the fact that it's still going amazes me. God I rule.
> but the fact is, the
> PSone controller is significantly more uncomfortable to hold than the
> GameCube. The GC may be 'copying' the PS2, but since all joypads have
> buttons, essentially they're all copying each other. The same with
> the fact that they're made out of plastic. And that they're actually
> joypads in the first place.
>
> What's wrong with the DualShock 2 is that it isn't ergonomical enough.
> While the GC controller is the right shape to fit nicely in your
> hand, and the Xbox gives a handy amount of grip, The Dualshock 2's
> handles aren't the right size. This means it doesn't curve where your
> fingers want to bend around it making it more uncomfortable.
I disagree, I've spent an unhealthy amount of time playing GT3 endurances, long DOA2 bouts, frantic Star Wars sessions, and I've never complained of anything about the way I can hold the DualShock 2 in my hands.
> Can't we all just get along though. The fact that not all PS2 games
> are compatable with the analogue sticks makes it obvious that Sony
> didn't care when keeping on the same controller as the PSone.
You funning WHAT? Name one game that isn't compatable, and those bermani games don't count because using analog would be ludicrous.
> And we're all entitled to our own opinions
No you're not, you support Nintendo. You forfeited your opinions.
*Points at 100+ rteplies to the topic*
> WòókieeMøn§†€® wrote:
>
> Ahem. Atari had analohue sticks on their consoles before Nintendo
> had
> even released a home machine. Surely it is therefore Nintendo who
> took the retrograde step of releasing a non-analogue controller?
>
> Actually, Nintendo was the first manufacturer to put analogue sticks
> on their controllers. Atari had separate joysticks, which were
> neither analogue nor were they part of a 'proper' controller.>
>
>
> It is likely that they were under-used because the DualShock was not
> the standard PS1 controller, and therefore not everyone had them.
> However there was no reason that developers couldn't include
> analogue
> code for those that did.
You obviously never owned a PlayStation. If you did you'd know that almost every game released after the DualShock included analog control.
> And why would that be? Because Sony realised that the proper
> PlayStation controller wasn't good enough and had to change it to
> compete with the N64
>
> It would also have been unwise to play around with the layout of the
> DualShock2 because of the backwards-compatibility of the PS2 itself.
>
> Backwards compatability isn't essential, you know. If you own old
> PlayStation games, then you're going to own a PlayStation as well so
> why would you want to use your PS2? That is just an excuse, you know
> it. There isn't any reason why not to change the joypad around - if
> you DID want to play PSone games on your PS2, you could just have used
> a normal PSone controller. (duh)
Er:
a) B-C is a big selling point, because it means you can sell your PSone to pay for a PS2 while still being able to play old classics when you get the urge. I know many GameCube owners who still have N64s for this reason.
b) The DualShock is a damn good design, one familliar and near perfect, so perfect that even Nintendo copied them :)
> This is going to be a never ending argument
Of course, the fact that it's still going amazes me. God I rule.
> but the fact is, the
> PSone controller is significantly more uncomfortable to hold than the
> GameCube. The GC may be 'copying' the PS2, but since all joypads have
> buttons, essentially they're all copying each other. The same with
> the fact that they're made out of plastic. And that they're actually
> joypads in the first place.
>
> What's wrong with the DualShock 2 is that it isn't ergonomical enough.
> While the GC controller is the right shape to fit nicely in your
> hand, and the Xbox gives a handy amount of grip, The Dualshock 2's
> handles aren't the right size. This means it doesn't curve where your
> fingers want to bend around it making it more uncomfortable.
I disagree, I've spent an unhealthy amount of time playing GT3 endurances, long DOA2 bouts, frantic Star Wars sessions, and I've never complained of anything about the way I can hold the DualShock 2 in my hands.
> Can't we all just get along though. The fact that not all PS2 games
> are compatable with the analogue sticks makes it obvious that Sony
> didn't care when keeping on the same controller as the PSone.
You funning WHAT? Name one game that isn't compatable, and those bermani games don't count because using analog would be ludicrous.
> And we're all entitled to our own opinions
No you're not, you support Nintendo. You forfeited your opinions.
*Points at 100+ rteplies to the topic*
What Turbonutter does and always does it base his opionons on facts and figures (see above). He once said PS games were better because there were more 90% scoring games from a multiformat website...
The fact is 80% of members use personal preference and justifys it and not base everything on what you see. For example a character like TBN would call Pokemon childish as mostly children own the game, I'd say it isn't childish as it is about capturing animals and beating them, burning them, drowning them, cutting them, kicking them, blowing them up etc...
The fact is 80% of members use personal preference and justifys it and not base everything on what you see. For example a character like TBN would call Pokemon childish as mostly children own the game, I'd say it isn't childish as it is about capturing animals and beating them, burning them, drowning them, cutting them, kicking them, blowing them up etc...
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