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A little disapointed to be honest. I know i have only played it for an hour and a half so far, but to be honest at the moment it doesnt feel like i have done anything apart from watched with a little bit of walking and really really easy fights in between.
For me, its not started off at all like any of the previous games, they seemed to throw you into the action straight off, you got to actually do some playing while the story got off to a rushing start, this game hasnt done that to me yet, and this is one of the most important parts of the game.
You have to say that a game really needs a good begining to get things up and running, FF10 starts pretty slow....then with the blitzball scene it gets really good and im starting to think im back in FF, them something strange happens and the game just slowed down again.
Its not all bad, im intrigued to find out whats happening next, and it does seem to be building to something big, its just that, well, i think the graphics may have gone to Squares head at the minute, so far i havent played, i have watched, i hope its starts to improve in that aspect soon.
Got to say though, the graphics and character animations are very nice indeed, but still, a little more play would be nice sometime soon.
For me, its not started off at all like any of the previous games, they seemed to throw you into the action straight off, you got to actually do some playing while the story got off to a rushing start, this game hasnt done that to me yet, and this is one of the most important parts of the game.
You have to say that a game really needs a good begining to get things up and running, FF10 starts pretty slow....then with the blitzball scene it gets really good and im starting to think im back in FF, them something strange happens and the game just slowed down again.
Its not all bad, im intrigued to find out whats happening next, and it does seem to be building to something big, its just that, well, i think the graphics may have gone to Squares head at the minute, so far i havent played, i have watched, i hope its starts to improve in that aspect soon.
Got to say though, the graphics and character animations are very nice indeed, but still, a little more play would be nice sometime soon.
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I didn't notice the borders at all either until he brought up the poit that they were huge. Only then did I notice them and they were actually HUGE! But after about 5 more minutes of play I forgot about them again, and even when I could see them they didn't bother me at all.
FFX is just a great game. Whether there are black lines at the top and bottom of the screen don't make a difference to the quality of the game itself. It rules quite simply, and I am going to play more.
I'm on a boss at the moment with seriously annoying attacks. He is easy to kill with Aeons but it's getting every one of my characters to get involved that is diffuclt. I am gonna try again now though. I want the experience points for everyone, not just Yuna.
FFX is just a great game. Whether there are black lines at the top and bottom of the screen don't make a difference to the quality of the game itself. It rules quite simply, and I am going to play more.
I'm on a boss at the moment with seriously annoying attacks. He is easy to kill with Aeons but it's getting every one of my characters to get involved that is diffuclt. I am gonna try again now though. I want the experience points for everyone, not just Yuna.
Lawless Fever, I get the impression that you are just anti-FF. The conversion may be a poor one, but thats what happens when you live in Europe. Obviously you don't own the game, because my gameplay experience was great and I didn't notice the borders until you mentioned it. They may be there, but saying that they 'ruin' the gaming experience is pure crap. Are all DVDs aweful because they're set in a widescreen ratio? No, because we get used to it. And unless you're actually trying to find fault in the game, it plays fine and is great fun.
I think you should try playing it for a few hours then commenting on how great it is, not just the bad conversion it got from square. Remember, it was originally going to be out in July. I'd much prefer a poorly converted May release than a properly converted July release.
Plus, with the add-on packs I'm sure the borders will then be sorted out.
I think you should try playing it for a few hours then commenting on how great it is, not just the bad conversion it got from square. Remember, it was originally going to be out in July. I'd much prefer a poorly converted May release than a properly converted July release.
Plus, with the add-on packs I'm sure the borders will then be sorted out.
Well, I've been playing for 40 hours now and I haven't yet completed it. I think I'm pretty close but I don't yet have the airship for the second time so I could be quite a while away yet. Hopefully I am.
Now this is a game im am buying when i go in town on thursday, i *thought* i had played loads last night and only found out i had done 2 hours :S, so is it really 40 hours long?
For anyone still planning on buying this, (considering how many people here passionately love it) don’t be shocked when you boot it up and the conversion is terrible. Apparently code shows the game hasn’t been optimized, with giant borders and noticeable slowdown. Not good. The demo version on Official Playstation 2 magazine probably has the biggest borders I've ever seen! I found if you've got a widescreen TV with the mode that's halfway between 4:3 and widescreen, it eliminates the borders perfectly without chopping off any of the actual picture. The borders ruin the look of the game. The borders result in squashed and deformed characters. The beautiful FMV sequences are also ruined. Remember FFX isn't supposed to be super deformed. That's Square for you. They've always had a grand attitude towards Europe. They personally could not care about Europe otherwise they would have a Squaresoft Europe development studio. I’ve considered that if I get FFX, it will be the USA version. For years I never used to worry about such things, but now borders, slowdown drive me insane. I just can't get on with a game knowing there's a superior version somewhere out there. A Spanish web site asked the producers about the black borders while they were promoting the game in Europe some weeks ago. They began asking about dubbing the game to others languages and they answered that it would take them to much time, and when it came to the 60HZs, their exact answer was:
“Queremos ofrecer siempre el mejor producto posible acorde a unas fechas. Nuestros equipos de desarrollo, ante la trascendencia de este tema para el usuario europeo, están trabajando en este aspecto para poder incluirlo en un futuro en las versiones PAL de nuestros títulos.”
“We want to always offer the best possible product according to certain time constrains. Our development teams, noticing the major role of this topic for the European consumer, are working on this in order to be able to include it in future PAL versions of our titles.” Let's just hope that this is not just PR word. They’ve had ages, it came out in the states last year. Basically they can't be bothered. Vote with your wallets and don't but it. Games which aren't PAL optimized (in some form at least) should stay on the shelves. It's pure contempt. Import away (or hope you don’t have mates with NTSC consoles). If you don't give a damn, that’s great. Some of us reckon our money should go further. If you go to buy it, insist you're only prepared to pay £36.12, as 15% of the original is missing. This situation is one of the reasons I am now seriously thinking about modding my PS2 to play imports. Crappy PAL treatment of games by large companies should be a thing of the past. I'd like to pick up Devil May Cry but I've held off so far as I'm not prepared to spend money on an obviously inferior version.
I don't know why anyone would buy this kind of style over substance anyway. And when Square always screws over Europe with cack conversions and late releases etc. then why line their pockets? What get on my nerves is lazy companies who can’t be arsed to optimized for Europe. Why should we put up with such lazy work? We pay too much as it is, these firms should earn their money. Of course, we could choose not to purchase but that's not really the point. These problems shouldn't exist in 2002. It may not ruin the gaming experience for everyone but it's more important to people like myself. We should demand quality and not accept this shoddy treatment. We complain about these things because we have every right to, as consumers. They want us to buy their software, yet they can't be bothered to deliver us the standard that gamers in other territories enjoy. For me, having half the screen not being used lessens the impact of the graphics for me. I guess some people don’t care if they play a game on a 2-inch screen or 32inch screen – it’s a matter of preference. I do though. I care what the game looks like, after all I am paying £40 for a game and I want it to be perfect, just like a DVD movie would be. There is NO REASON why there should be borders in games, its just bloody lazy and you know it is. Would you put up with watching a DVD with a squashed picture, all the actors looking like they're moving in slow-mo and speaking an octave lower? No, of course you wouldn't so why should it be any different with games? They are not intended to be played this way and from what I’ve seen FFX is a disgrace, even worse than Onimusha and Devil May Cry (and that's saying something). Bad conversions are one thing, and living in Europe you learn to live with them to an extent. However, FFX appears to be an absolutely terrible conversion, up there with the worst of them. Curse you Squaresoft!
I'm playing VII instead. Far more fun. Sure, the conversion sucks, but it plays much better.
“Queremos ofrecer siempre el mejor producto posible acorde a unas fechas. Nuestros equipos de desarrollo, ante la trascendencia de este tema para el usuario europeo, están trabajando en este aspecto para poder incluirlo en un futuro en las versiones PAL de nuestros títulos.”
“We want to always offer the best possible product according to certain time constrains. Our development teams, noticing the major role of this topic for the European consumer, are working on this in order to be able to include it in future PAL versions of our titles.” Let's just hope that this is not just PR word. They’ve had ages, it came out in the states last year. Basically they can't be bothered. Vote with your wallets and don't but it. Games which aren't PAL optimized (in some form at least) should stay on the shelves. It's pure contempt. Import away (or hope you don’t have mates with NTSC consoles). If you don't give a damn, that’s great. Some of us reckon our money should go further. If you go to buy it, insist you're only prepared to pay £36.12, as 15% of the original is missing. This situation is one of the reasons I am now seriously thinking about modding my PS2 to play imports. Crappy PAL treatment of games by large companies should be a thing of the past. I'd like to pick up Devil May Cry but I've held off so far as I'm not prepared to spend money on an obviously inferior version.
I don't know why anyone would buy this kind of style over substance anyway. And when Square always screws over Europe with cack conversions and late releases etc. then why line their pockets? What get on my nerves is lazy companies who can’t be arsed to optimized for Europe. Why should we put up with such lazy work? We pay too much as it is, these firms should earn their money. Of course, we could choose not to purchase but that's not really the point. These problems shouldn't exist in 2002. It may not ruin the gaming experience for everyone but it's more important to people like myself. We should demand quality and not accept this shoddy treatment. We complain about these things because we have every right to, as consumers. They want us to buy their software, yet they can't be bothered to deliver us the standard that gamers in other territories enjoy. For me, having half the screen not being used lessens the impact of the graphics for me. I guess some people don’t care if they play a game on a 2-inch screen or 32inch screen – it’s a matter of preference. I do though. I care what the game looks like, after all I am paying £40 for a game and I want it to be perfect, just like a DVD movie would be. There is NO REASON why there should be borders in games, its just bloody lazy and you know it is. Would you put up with watching a DVD with a squashed picture, all the actors looking like they're moving in slow-mo and speaking an octave lower? No, of course you wouldn't so why should it be any different with games? They are not intended to be played this way and from what I’ve seen FFX is a disgrace, even worse than Onimusha and Devil May Cry (and that's saying something). Bad conversions are one thing, and living in Europe you learn to live with them to an extent. However, FFX appears to be an absolutely terrible conversion, up there with the worst of them. Curse you Squaresoft!
I'm playing VII instead. Far more fun. Sure, the conversion sucks, but it plays much better.
Yes, you do get the airship later on so you can use it to go back over previous maps to get the bits you missed and do the quests you skipped. (Like those damn butterflies, still trying to catch 7 blue ones...).
You also get Save Sphere Level 3 which means from any map you can choose to go straight back to the airship whenever you reach a Save Sphere. Handy.
I'm currently on top of Sin in a kind of maze that you can only see where you are going when you move working out where to go next. Fun fun fun.
You also get Save Sphere Level 3 which means from any map you can choose to go straight back to the airship whenever you reach a Save Sphere. Handy.
I'm currently on top of Sin in a kind of maze that you can only see where you are going when you move working out where to go next. Fun fun fun.
I didn't get those chests. I use my gil when I get it, which is why I have 99 phoenix downs, potions, hi-potions blah blah blah.
I feel stupid now though :(
I feel stupid now though :(
½pint wrote:
> Its a long story...
> Well, I didn't at first go down into the valley, I continued on, did
> the Ronso fight and tried to make my way along the mountain. However,
> due to carelessness (and wanting to use everybody in order to level
> up), I died (I know, I was shocked as well). So I tried again and it
> happened again. You see, I don't like to level up just three people
> because it unbalances my party, so I'm constantly switching people and
> consequently have to allow the enemies to attack otherwise I would
> kill them.
Yeah I always do that too. I always make every one of my characters make at least one contribution in a battle. Boosts them all at once that way.
> But, I decided to go back after dying the second time, and I got down
> to the cave, blah blah blah and killed that summoner person. However,
> when i saw the asking price of 250,000 I thought it was a joke and
> that if I'd answered a different way I could get him for free. But I
> was wrong. So I've done that battle four times and I'm getting a bit
> tired repeating over and over again. Added to that, I don't have
> enough money any way.
>
Yeah the first time I did it, I said "I want to defeat the most powerful of enemies" and he said he wanted 250,000 so I quit and reloaded my game (like you I thought I could get him for free). I killed the summoner again, and then saved it. Then I went in and said I wanted to train as a summoner. He then wanted 300,000 so I reloaded again. Click the second choice and he asks for 270,000 so I reloaded for the alst time and chose the last option (which I chose originally).
You don't have enough money?!?!?!? How can you not have enough money?! I paid 215,000 for him and I still have about 200,000 left! Do you not ever find gil in chests? I tell you what, I dunno if you have it or not, but in the Calm Lands there are 2 chests right down the bottom right corner of the map. I think one has 100,000 and the other had 50,000.
> *Sigh*... what would an aeon want with Gil anyway???
That's exactly what I thought. It's also obvious he has no idea what currency Spira uses since you give him 1 Gil and he accepts it just as he would if you gave 100,000.
Anyway, gotta go. 24 is about to start.
> Its a long story...
> Well, I didn't at first go down into the valley, I continued on, did
> the Ronso fight and tried to make my way along the mountain. However,
> due to carelessness (and wanting to use everybody in order to level
> up), I died (I know, I was shocked as well). So I tried again and it
> happened again. You see, I don't like to level up just three people
> because it unbalances my party, so I'm constantly switching people and
> consequently have to allow the enemies to attack otherwise I would
> kill them.
Yeah I always do that too. I always make every one of my characters make at least one contribution in a battle. Boosts them all at once that way.
> But, I decided to go back after dying the second time, and I got down
> to the cave, blah blah blah and killed that summoner person. However,
> when i saw the asking price of 250,000 I thought it was a joke and
> that if I'd answered a different way I could get him for free. But I
> was wrong. So I've done that battle four times and I'm getting a bit
> tired repeating over and over again. Added to that, I don't have
> enough money any way.
>
Yeah the first time I did it, I said "I want to defeat the most powerful of enemies" and he said he wanted 250,000 so I quit and reloaded my game (like you I thought I could get him for free). I killed the summoner again, and then saved it. Then I went in and said I wanted to train as a summoner. He then wanted 300,000 so I reloaded again. Click the second choice and he asks for 270,000 so I reloaded for the alst time and chose the last option (which I chose originally).
You don't have enough money?!?!?!? How can you not have enough money?! I paid 215,000 for him and I still have about 200,000 left! Do you not ever find gil in chests? I tell you what, I dunno if you have it or not, but in the Calm Lands there are 2 chests right down the bottom right corner of the map. I think one has 100,000 and the other had 50,000.
> *Sigh*... what would an aeon want with Gil anyway???
That's exactly what I thought. It's also obvious he has no idea what currency Spira uses since you give him 1 Gil and he accepts it just as he would if you gave 100,000.
Anyway, gotta go. 24 is about to start.
Vottanator wrote:
> I worked it out myself! Why can't anyone else work it out for
> themselves. That's the second person I've told now. 1/2Pint was
> begging me to tell him earlier. :-D
I sense sarcasm so I won't get angry :)
> Oh and 1/2 Pint, you've obviously got to this point since you know
> about the Ronso fight....Do you have the Aeon Yojimbo? I was lucky in
> finding him. After defeating Defender X the first time, I went
> straight into Mt Gagazet. However, I didn't save it as I thought I may
> be able to capture Defender X for that guy in the Calm Lands. So I
> killed him again (couldn't capture him) and went doiwn into the valley
> instead of going to Mt Gagazet. There's a cave down there which holds
> another Aeon. You have to pay him to get him though. Between 250,000
> and 300,000 Gil is his asking price but you can negotiate. Anyway,
> when I offered him 215,000 he said "adequate".
Its a long story...
Well, I didn't at first go down into the valley, I continued on, did the Ronso fight and tried to make my way along the mountain. However, due to carelessness (and wanting to use everybody in order to level up), I died (I know, I was shocked as well). So I tried again and it happened again. You see, I don't like to level up just three people because it unbalances my party, so I'm constantly switching people and consequently have to allow the enemies to attack otherwise I would kill them.
But, I decided to go back after dying the second time, and I got down to the cave, blah blah blah and killed that summoner person. However, when i saw the asking price of 250,000 I thought it was a joke and that if I'd answered a different way I could get him for free. But I was wrong. So I've done that battle four times and I'm getting a bit tired repeating over and over again. Added to that, I don't have enough money any way.
*Sigh*... what would an aeon want with Gil anyway???
> I worked it out myself! Why can't anyone else work it out for
> themselves. That's the second person I've told now. 1/2Pint was
> begging me to tell him earlier. :-D
I sense sarcasm so I won't get angry :)
> Oh and 1/2 Pint, you've obviously got to this point since you know
> about the Ronso fight....Do you have the Aeon Yojimbo? I was lucky in
> finding him. After defeating Defender X the first time, I went
> straight into Mt Gagazet. However, I didn't save it as I thought I may
> be able to capture Defender X for that guy in the Calm Lands. So I
> killed him again (couldn't capture him) and went doiwn into the valley
> instead of going to Mt Gagazet. There's a cave down there which holds
> another Aeon. You have to pay him to get him though. Between 250,000
> and 300,000 Gil is his asking price but you can negotiate. Anyway,
> when I offered him 215,000 he said "adequate".
Its a long story...
Well, I didn't at first go down into the valley, I continued on, did the Ronso fight and tried to make my way along the mountain. However, due to carelessness (and wanting to use everybody in order to level up), I died (I know, I was shocked as well). So I tried again and it happened again. You see, I don't like to level up just three people because it unbalances my party, so I'm constantly switching people and consequently have to allow the enemies to attack otherwise I would kill them.
But, I decided to go back after dying the second time, and I got down to the cave, blah blah blah and killed that summoner person. However, when i saw the asking price of 250,000 I thought it was a joke and that if I'd answered a different way I could get him for free. But I was wrong. So I've done that battle four times and I'm getting a bit tired repeating over and over again. Added to that, I don't have enough money any way.
*Sigh*... what would an aeon want with Gil anyway???
Oh yeah, I never thought of that. I hope you do get to control the airship because I have captured loads of fiends that I wanna give to taht guy in the Calm Lands. I think you might do too, because he tells you to go capture some enemies from places like Kilika which are well before places like Bevelle. You surely can't get back to them on foot since you got to Bevelle in the airship.
Oh and by the way, in previous Final Fantasy games, could you still run around upgrading your characters after you completed the main quest?
I hope you can or it will be a bit pointless. You could in Phantasy Star Online. I wanna do everything in one game! Although I know I'll need a guide to get everything. And I also know I'll get bored before getting everything. :-D
Oh and by the way, in previous Final Fantasy games, could you still run around upgrading your characters after you completed the main quest?
I hope you can or it will be a bit pointless. You could in Phantasy Star Online. I wanna do everything in one game! Although I know I'll need a guide to get everything. And I also know I'll get bored before getting everything. :-D
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