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It would appear that developers are getting increasingly concerned at the way the Gamecube has cemented it's place as the 3rd console of choice and it's poor performance.
Sega recently shelved all it's GC sports titles in development due to poor performance of its GC titles.
Now one of the big hitters THQ has thrown doubt on the viability of developing for the Gamecube due to the more expensive (non standard discs) developement costs, but mostly to do with the GC continued poor performance particularly compared to the PS2.
Quote taken form Gamepro.com
"Our GameCube portfolio did not perform up to expectations," CEO Brian Farrell said during the conference call. "In response to this, we have reduced the number of products in development for the GameCube platform."
Sega recently shelved all it's GC sports titles in development due to poor performance of its GC titles.
Now one of the big hitters THQ has thrown doubt on the viability of developing for the Gamecube due to the more expensive (non standard discs) developement costs, but mostly to do with the GC continued poor performance particularly compared to the PS2.
Quote taken form Gamepro.com
"Our GameCube portfolio did not perform up to expectations," CEO Brian Farrell said during the conference call. "In response to this, we have reduced the number of products in development for the GameCube platform."
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A GC disc holds 1.5Gb.
I think GTA-VC is about 4.0Gb.
A single sided, single layer DVD-ROM holds 4.25Gb.
A single sided, dual layer DVD-ROM holds 8.5Gb (but more expensive to produce).
I know GTA-VC is not on GC anyway, but it does demonstrate that games using that much space are already out there, and games this big are only going to become more common place.
So GC Matrix might be really good - enough that people can put up with disc changing. If you are happy to do that, then thats fine. But you can't seriously think that it wouldn't be any better on a higher capacity disc without the need to "swap" the disc over.
I think GTA-VC is about 4.0Gb.
A single sided, single layer DVD-ROM holds 4.25Gb.
A single sided, dual layer DVD-ROM holds 8.5Gb (but more expensive to produce).
I know GTA-VC is not on GC anyway, but it does demonstrate that games using that much space are already out there, and games this big are only going to become more common place.
So GC Matrix might be really good - enough that people can put up with disc changing. If you are happy to do that, then thats fine. But you can't seriously think that it wouldn't be any better on a higher capacity disc without the need to "swap" the disc over.
I agree totaly Sibs.
I might have to remove my drip of beer before moving.
Unthinkable.
I might have to remove my drip of beer before moving.
Unthinkable.
Reading the NGC mag they say The Matrix game will take at least 2 GC discs and possibly 3 if they can't compress things more.
In that case I definitely won't be getting the game. Switching a disc TWICE in a game?!? Unthinkable. All the effort of getting up off my bed and reaching a couple of metres for the game case, then actually having to open the game case AND press the 'open' button on the GC...? Far too much effort in my eyes. And it'll wreck the game completely. Forget gameplay, any enjoyment I may have got from the game will be outweighed by the strain of changing the disc.
In fact, they may as well not bother releasing the game on GC. No-one will buy it if you have to switch discs once, let alone the possiblity of twice!
In that case I definitely won't be getting the game. Switching a disc TWICE in a game?!? Unthinkable. All the effort of getting up off my bed and reaching a couple of metres for the game case, then actually having to open the game case AND press the 'open' button on the GC...? Far too much effort in my eyes. And it'll wreck the game completely. Forget gameplay, any enjoyment I may have got from the game will be outweighed by the strain of changing the disc.
In fact, they may as well not bother releasing the game on GC. No-one will buy it if you have to switch discs once, let alone the possiblity of twice!
How many games will actually fill a 1.5Gb Gamecube disc anyway?? Very few, you're only really going to be talking about games such as RPGS which have a few hours worth of FMV at full MPEG2 quality, and as far as I can tell, there isn't going to be that many of them.
The DVDs on the PS2 and Xbox aren't really going to be pushed to the max anytime soon.
The most important point, when was the last time you managed to play a game from start to finish without having to take the game disc itself out of the console, and then put it back the next time you want to play? I don't think it's happened since games were on cassettes and you couldn't save your progress.
Having to swap discs in the middle of the game is a good thing if the capacity isn't there, because it means that developers are willing to put in a tiny, tiny little inconvenience to give you a better gaming experience, be thankful your getting companies willing to do that.
The DVDs on the PS2 and Xbox aren't really going to be pushed to the max anytime soon.
The most important point, when was the last time you managed to play a game from start to finish without having to take the game disc itself out of the console, and then put it back the next time you want to play? I don't think it's happened since games were on cassettes and you couldn't save your progress.
Having to swap discs in the middle of the game is a good thing if the capacity isn't there, because it means that developers are willing to put in a tiny, tiny little inconvenience to give you a better gaming experience, be thankful your getting companies willing to do that.
Update man, shut up about the feckin 2 disc thing.
Watching a film and getting up and changing the disc is in an entirely different ball ball park to swaping discs once in a game.
For a start you don't save your position in a film then come back to it later. The fact is we're talking one disc swap in a 15 hour game, it doesn't effect the gameplay what so ever, people aren't put off from buying the Cube because hey mihgt have to swap discs once in 1 out of every 100 games sold.
Thus leaving your argument null and void, very much like Top Scores brain.
Watching a film and getting up and changing the disc is in an entirely different ball ball park to swaping discs once in a game.
For a start you don't save your position in a film then come back to it later. The fact is we're talking one disc swap in a 15 hour game, it doesn't effect the gameplay what so ever, people aren't put off from buying the Cube because hey mihgt have to swap discs once in 1 out of every 100 games sold.
Thus leaving your argument null and void, very much like Top Scores brain.
Sibs wrote:
> Updated wrote:
> and most people didn't
> mind disc shuffle,
>
>
> So I'm assuming 'most people' *looks at Updated* buy a seperate
> console and TV for each game they buy...? Oh, and a seperate DVD
> player and CD player for each one of those they buy...
>
> Otherwise they'd have to switch discs. And we know people hate doing
> that... such a strain...
But what about VCD? Most films had to put over 2 discs, hence it never became the mainstream format.
> Updated wrote:
> and most people didn't
> mind disc shuffle,
>
>
> So I'm assuming 'most people' *looks at Updated* buy a seperate
> console and TV for each game they buy...? Oh, and a seperate DVD
> player and CD player for each one of those they buy...
>
> Otherwise they'd have to switch discs. And we know people hate doing
> that... such a strain...
But what about VCD? Most films had to put over 2 discs, hence it never became the mainstream format.
Tóm wrote:
> People seem to be forgetting that, as far as I am aware, there is only
> one game currently available which requires swapping disks.
>
> And also, does it not seem a good idea for Nintendo to create their
> own media? Means they don't have to pay the people who created the DVD
> format, for a start...
Thats true, but instead they have to claw back their own (more expensive) R&D costs.
> People seem to be forgetting that, as far as I am aware, there is only
> one game currently available which requires swapping disks.
>
> And also, does it not seem a good idea for Nintendo to create their
> own media? Means they don't have to pay the people who created the DVD
> format, for a start...
Thats true, but instead they have to claw back their own (more expensive) R&D costs.
You're all fanboys and should be steralised to save future generations from your genes.
Thank you.
Thank you.
How many peopel do I need to point out to that I own all three consoles, and I liek all three consoles, but the obvious reasons as to why the Gamecube sales are floundering all over the world are staring everyone blatantly in the face, and everyone is chosing to ignore them because they're ignorant.
I'm not condoning people not buying a Gamecube because it deosn't have a super-cool image, I'm simply saying that is the reason for its poor sales.
People really should look into the context of what people are saying before mouthing off about what you think they "believe". I've said over and over and over again that the Gamecube is a good console, I personally don't think it's as good as the other two, and that's because I prefer the games available for other consoles. Everytime I point out good games for other systems, people remind me of how good N64 games were, or how good games that they've never actually seen running will be.
Wake up and realise that you can do much better than have a stupid loyalty to a single games company. Limiting your viewpoint of what is good to the same console manufacturer, games publisher and producer in Nintendo has obviously made people forget how good other things can actually be.
Can I be even more controversial and say that going down the students union with my mates to play pool and have a few drinks is better than playing on "ANY" games console.
I'm not condoning people not buying a Gamecube because it deosn't have a super-cool image, I'm simply saying that is the reason for its poor sales.
People really should look into the context of what people are saying before mouthing off about what you think they "believe". I've said over and over and over again that the Gamecube is a good console, I personally don't think it's as good as the other two, and that's because I prefer the games available for other consoles. Everytime I point out good games for other systems, people remind me of how good N64 games were, or how good games that they've never actually seen running will be.
Wake up and realise that you can do much better than have a stupid loyalty to a single games company. Limiting your viewpoint of what is good to the same console manufacturer, games publisher and producer in Nintendo has obviously made people forget how good other things can actually be.
Can I be even more controversial and say that going down the students union with my mates to play pool and have a few drinks is better than playing on "ANY" games console.
Classic turnaround!
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