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For the first time in years, there are more than two serious consoles hitting the market. Even more amazingly, two of these consoles are launching head-to-head, and the other is extremely well established... both with brand name and games.
So, not only has Nintendo got to compete with Sony (again!), but this time Microsoft have joined the scene. Add to that, the PS2 has had two Christmases worth of sales, and a huge repetoire of games, and the Xbox has a huge marketting budget (and a strong launch to go).
Clearly, Nintendo cannot compete with Microsoft on the TV screens- they simply don't ahve the money for that.
Oh no... Ninty have a far greater weapon at their disposly- games. And lots of them. With characters and franchises ranging from Mario and Zelda to Metroid and Kirby you wouldn't be suprised if Nintendo launched the Gamecube with the best line up of AAA titles seen...
In fact, I thought Nintendo had gone one better when they announced, a while back, that they had given the rights to many of their games away. Metroid, Smash Brothers and Starfox, amongst others, were to have sequals made by developers outside Nintendo. This would then enable Nintendo to concentrate on making some of the most spectacular games ever. Maybe a new Zelda for launch? Maybe something totally new!
But alas, things seem to be crumbling. First we hear news of Ninty's in house games. It turns out that Mario and Zelda will be absent from launch, to be replaced by a couple of weaker games. Ok, so the in house games are good fun, no doubt, BUT will these attract gamers to buy the Gamcube. Methinks not.
Nor will the news of a new Zelda wet gamers appetites- 90% of gamers are the casual sort who will buy a console on brandname alone, and don't read multiformat mags. How are Nintendo going to get these gamers to part with their PS2s, and buy a console that looks like a kids toy? (Sorry, but the console doesn't look "serious".)
OH! And things get worse!...
Those franchised games Ninty have given out aren't all they were promised to be.
At Spaceworld, there was a big absence of Metroid clips- only 8 seconds of the game were shown. Asked why this was, Mr. Miyamoto had to admit that he'd only got the code for the game just before the show, and he wasn't impressed by what he saw. The game had bad pop-up, no sound, was not interactive, and certainly wasn't worth the months of work that had been spent on it. (I believe the game was 8 months into developent at this time!). In fact, the whole future of the game looked on a knife edge.
The other games Ninty had handed out were all good, but many were so far from ready that you wonder why Nintendo didn't just make one of these games themselves to get it out at launch.
Before Nintendo fans throw a riot, let me just saya few things:
1) I am only talking about launch titles
2) I'm a huge Miyamoto fan and will be buying a GC myself
3) This topic is MEANT to cause discussion.
Oh, and remember, all the titles that miss release will come out eventually. So those Zeldas and Marios will certainly mean the console is a great piece of kit. That;s not what I'm arguing about.
I just want to know where all of Ninty's time has gone? They've given away many of their big games, has ages to make a killer titles, and instead they come out with Pikmin... fun, but not AAA by any means.
Sonic
So, not only has Nintendo got to compete with Sony (again!), but this time Microsoft have joined the scene. Add to that, the PS2 has had two Christmases worth of sales, and a huge repetoire of games, and the Xbox has a huge marketting budget (and a strong launch to go).
Clearly, Nintendo cannot compete with Microsoft on the TV screens- they simply don't ahve the money for that.
Oh no... Ninty have a far greater weapon at their disposly- games. And lots of them. With characters and franchises ranging from Mario and Zelda to Metroid and Kirby you wouldn't be suprised if Nintendo launched the Gamecube with the best line up of AAA titles seen...
In fact, I thought Nintendo had gone one better when they announced, a while back, that they had given the rights to many of their games away. Metroid, Smash Brothers and Starfox, amongst others, were to have sequals made by developers outside Nintendo. This would then enable Nintendo to concentrate on making some of the most spectacular games ever. Maybe a new Zelda for launch? Maybe something totally new!
But alas, things seem to be crumbling. First we hear news of Ninty's in house games. It turns out that Mario and Zelda will be absent from launch, to be replaced by a couple of weaker games. Ok, so the in house games are good fun, no doubt, BUT will these attract gamers to buy the Gamcube. Methinks not.
Nor will the news of a new Zelda wet gamers appetites- 90% of gamers are the casual sort who will buy a console on brandname alone, and don't read multiformat mags. How are Nintendo going to get these gamers to part with their PS2s, and buy a console that looks like a kids toy? (Sorry, but the console doesn't look "serious".)
OH! And things get worse!...
Those franchised games Ninty have given out aren't all they were promised to be.
At Spaceworld, there was a big absence of Metroid clips- only 8 seconds of the game were shown. Asked why this was, Mr. Miyamoto had to admit that he'd only got the code for the game just before the show, and he wasn't impressed by what he saw. The game had bad pop-up, no sound, was not interactive, and certainly wasn't worth the months of work that had been spent on it. (I believe the game was 8 months into developent at this time!). In fact, the whole future of the game looked on a knife edge.
The other games Ninty had handed out were all good, but many were so far from ready that you wonder why Nintendo didn't just make one of these games themselves to get it out at launch.
Before Nintendo fans throw a riot, let me just saya few things:
1) I am only talking about launch titles
2) I'm a huge Miyamoto fan and will be buying a GC myself
3) This topic is MEANT to cause discussion.
Oh, and remember, all the titles that miss release will come out eventually. So those Zeldas and Marios will certainly mean the console is a great piece of kit. That;s not what I'm arguing about.
I just want to know where all of Ninty's time has gone? They've given away many of their big games, has ages to make a killer titles, and instead they come out with Pikmin... fun, but not AAA by any means.
Sonic
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Dont pray toooo hard for Devil May cry. It aint THAT good.
I played it for about half an hour, found it too become quite repetitive. Maybe i need to play it for longer?!
Hopefully the sequel will come to Gamecube though. Nothing seems to be exclusive for the PS2 these days.
I played it for about half an hour, found it too become quite repetitive. Maybe i need to play it for longer?!
Hopefully the sequel will come to Gamecube though. Nothing seems to be exclusive for the PS2 these days.
Also i have both Ages and Seasons, look at No mercy you have THQ followed by the AKI logo on seperate screens on the oracle twins both Nintendo and Capcom names were on the same screen meaning...
Nintendo-Capcom.
Nintendo-Capcom.
Dringo wrote:
> No Mickey Mouse is on the Gamecube it is Nintendo's license but they have let
> Capcom make it exclusivly to Gamecube along with Resident Evil, then theres the
> rumour that the GBA ZElda is by Capcom... Ortega's theory is not unlikly i also
> see this but i choose to keep quite.
I was talking about the N64 Mickey Mouse game! Ninty fans waited 4 years for a capcom game, and then got mickey mouse... followed my RE2 of course :)
So Mikami-san and co are jumping ship
> this confuses me as Mikami-san made RE1 not 2 and 3 so how does that work and if
> what you say is true why isn't Mikami-sans DEvil May Cry on the release list...
> Dringo prays for Devil May Cry.
Well, all I know is that the guy in charge of the RE games are the creator of the series were on stage with Shigsy when the console was announced... even gave a big speach after him... I think Naka-san then came on to talk about how great the console is.
Sonic
> No Mickey Mouse is on the Gamecube it is Nintendo's license but they have let
> Capcom make it exclusivly to Gamecube along with Resident Evil, then theres the
> rumour that the GBA ZElda is by Capcom... Ortega's theory is not unlikly i also
> see this but i choose to keep quite.
I was talking about the N64 Mickey Mouse game! Ninty fans waited 4 years for a capcom game, and then got mickey mouse... followed my RE2 of course :)
So Mikami-san and co are jumping ship
> this confuses me as Mikami-san made RE1 not 2 and 3 so how does that work and if
> what you say is true why isn't Mikami-sans DEvil May Cry on the release list...
> Dringo prays for Devil May Cry.
Well, all I know is that the guy in charge of the RE games are the creator of the series were on stage with Shigsy when the console was announced... even gave a big speach after him... I think Naka-san then came on to talk about how great the console is.
Sonic
No Mickey Mouse is on the Gamecube it is Nintendo's license but they have let Capcom make it exclusivly to Gamecube along with Resident Evil, then theres the rumour that the GBA ZElda is by Capcom... Ortega's theory is not unlikly i also see this but i choose to keep quite.
So Mikami-san and co are jumping ship this confuses me as Mikami-san made RE1 not 2 and 3 so how does that work and if what you say is true why isn't Mikami-sans DEvil May Cry on the release list... Dringo prays for Devil May Cry.
So Mikami-san and co are jumping ship this confuses me as Mikami-san made RE1 not 2 and 3 so how does that work and if what you say is true why isn't Mikami-sans DEvil May Cry on the release list... Dringo prays for Devil May Cry.
Or†ega wrote:
> Ah yes, but there are very strong rumours of Capcom jumping ship completly to
> Nintendo.
That would be a huge boost for the Gamecube.
Capcom have been
> working on quite a few titles with Nintendo. We saw them kae the zelda games on
> the GBC, and we are gonna see a load of REsi titles on the Gamecube. Who knows
> what else they will bring to Nintendo.
lol at Dringo! N64 gamers wait 4 years for a capcom game... and then get mickey mouse! lmao!
Anyway, Capcome haven't jumped ship... BUT the RES EVIL team has... the creator of the series has firmly put the GC at the top of his list.
In fact, he was a speaker at the GC's launch... along with Miyamoto and all!
Sonic
> Ah yes, but there are very strong rumours of Capcom jumping ship completly to
> Nintendo.
That would be a huge boost for the Gamecube.
Capcom have been
> working on quite a few titles with Nintendo. We saw them kae the zelda games on
> the GBC, and we are gonna see a load of REsi titles on the Gamecube. Who knows
> what else they will bring to Nintendo.
lol at Dringo! N64 gamers wait 4 years for a capcom game... and then get mickey mouse! lmao!
Anyway, Capcome haven't jumped ship... BUT the RES EVIL team has... the creator of the series has firmly put the GC at the top of his list.
In fact, he was a speaker at the GC's launch... along with Miyamoto and all!
Sonic
And they are using Nintendo's mickey mouse license...
Ah yes, but there are very strong rumours of Capcom jumping ship completly to Nintendo.
That would be a huge boost for the Gamecube.
Capcom have been working on quite a few titles with Nintendo. We saw them kae the zelda games on the GBC, and we are gonna see a load of REsi titles on the Gamecube. Who knows what else they will bring to Nintendo.
That would be a huge boost for the Gamecube.
Capcom have been working on quite a few titles with Nintendo. We saw them kae the zelda games on the GBC, and we are gonna see a load of REsi titles on the Gamecube. Who knows what else they will bring to Nintendo.
AH! Dringo has fallen into the trap!
I have not said that Ninty sales will colapse or anything! In fact, I have openly said that it will appeal to youngsters and Hardcore Ninty fans.
Which is ahlf of what your post is on...
As for the seond (first) half about Ninty getting the more serious PS2 titles... all true, but just because it has some of the best PS2 titles, doesn't mean that it'll pull the PS2 demographic. To do this, it would have to lead the way with such titles- something that the console clearly isn't doing.
If anything, it seems that the developers of such games (with some exceptions) have made the PS2 their priority, but will port over titles for the money.
Sonic
I have not said that Ninty sales will colapse or anything! In fact, I have openly said that it will appeal to youngsters and Hardcore Ninty fans.
Which is ahlf of what your post is on...
As for the seond (first) half about Ninty getting the more serious PS2 titles... all true, but just because it has some of the best PS2 titles, doesn't mean that it'll pull the PS2 demographic. To do this, it would have to lead the way with such titles- something that the console clearly isn't doing.
If anything, it seems that the developers of such games (with some exceptions) have made the PS2 their priority, but will port over titles for the money.
Sonic
Sméagol wrote:
> Nintendo's future bleak?
Nope!
Ignore Sonic it may have no back up information but its damn right.
> Nintendo's future bleak?
Nope!
Ignore Sonic it may have no back up information but its damn right.
===SONICRAV---> wrote:
> Jet Set radio... easily a 90% title... sold like rubbish...
Reason: it wasn't
> the mass market game that the public (japanese at least) wanted.
Ninty make
> some great games, but I'm still not convinced how mass market their appeal will
> be. Even with the companies "short and sweet" policy, nothing has
> changed! They're making the same old games.
I always saw Rare as being a mass market developer.
Rather than make a huge action
> adventure game that casual gamers will love, they make a shorter version of
> Mario... and Mario won't pull in the crowds as much as a big action
> adventure.
For children he will.
But you see Sonic the 10% you have so nicley ignored will be kept satisfied by the Big N and there small friends if you fall into the 90% catagory then RARE will keep you occupied, addmitedly the 90% were not kept satisified on the N64 but this time those titles those BIG titles on the PS2 the mass market ones you talk of like Tony Hawks, SSX, Resident Evil, Tekken, Soul Calibur, Quake etc... are now appearing more frequently on the gamecube ten fold than they did on the PS2.
You see many and i mean many casual gamers have been tempted by RARE with Goldeneye and Perfect Dark and those Nintendo multiplayer games like Mario Kart and Mario Party, i know casual gamers that were tempted enough to get them. Now the games that made the PS1 and 2 hot property are also appearing on the Gamecube which, combined with its price, might get a load more sales Ninty's way.
You say Sony have the games casual gamers want and you are right but remmember Nintendo have them as well.
> Jet Set radio... easily a 90% title... sold like rubbish...
Reason: it wasn't
> the mass market game that the public (japanese at least) wanted.
Ninty make
> some great games, but I'm still not convinced how mass market their appeal will
> be. Even with the companies "short and sweet" policy, nothing has
> changed! They're making the same old games.
I always saw Rare as being a mass market developer.
Rather than make a huge action
> adventure game that casual gamers will love, they make a shorter version of
> Mario... and Mario won't pull in the crowds as much as a big action
> adventure.
For children he will.
But you see Sonic the 10% you have so nicley ignored will be kept satisfied by the Big N and there small friends if you fall into the 90% catagory then RARE will keep you occupied, addmitedly the 90% were not kept satisified on the N64 but this time those titles those BIG titles on the PS2 the mass market ones you talk of like Tony Hawks, SSX, Resident Evil, Tekken, Soul Calibur, Quake etc... are now appearing more frequently on the gamecube ten fold than they did on the PS2.
You see many and i mean many casual gamers have been tempted by RARE with Goldeneye and Perfect Dark and those Nintendo multiplayer games like Mario Kart and Mario Party, i know casual gamers that were tempted enough to get them. Now the games that made the PS1 and 2 hot property are also appearing on the Gamecube which, combined with its price, might get a load more sales Ninty's way.
You say Sony have the games casual gamers want and you are right but remmember Nintendo have them as well.
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