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For the first time in years, there are more than two serious consoles hitting the market. Even more amazingly, two of these consoles are launching head-to-head, and the other is extremely well established... both with brand name and games.
So, not only has Nintendo got to compete with Sony (again!), but this time Microsoft have joined the scene. Add to that, the PS2 has had two Christmases worth of sales, and a huge repetoire of games, and the Xbox has a huge marketting budget (and a strong launch to go).
Clearly, Nintendo cannot compete with Microsoft on the TV screens- they simply don't ahve the money for that.
Oh no... Ninty have a far greater weapon at their disposly- games. And lots of them. With characters and franchises ranging from Mario and Zelda to Metroid and Kirby you wouldn't be suprised if Nintendo launched the Gamecube with the best line up of AAA titles seen...
In fact, I thought Nintendo had gone one better when they announced, a while back, that they had given the rights to many of their games away. Metroid, Smash Brothers and Starfox, amongst others, were to have sequals made by developers outside Nintendo. This would then enable Nintendo to concentrate on making some of the most spectacular games ever. Maybe a new Zelda for launch? Maybe something totally new!
But alas, things seem to be crumbling. First we hear news of Ninty's in house games. It turns out that Mario and Zelda will be absent from launch, to be replaced by a couple of weaker games. Ok, so the in house games are good fun, no doubt, BUT will these attract gamers to buy the Gamcube. Methinks not.
Nor will the news of a new Zelda wet gamers appetites- 90% of gamers are the casual sort who will buy a console on brandname alone, and don't read multiformat mags. How are Nintendo going to get these gamers to part with their PS2s, and buy a console that looks like a kids toy? (Sorry, but the console doesn't look "serious".)
OH! And things get worse!...
Those franchised games Ninty have given out aren't all they were promised to be.
At Spaceworld, there was a big absence of Metroid clips- only 8 seconds of the game were shown. Asked why this was, Mr. Miyamoto had to admit that he'd only got the code for the game just before the show, and he wasn't impressed by what he saw. The game had bad pop-up, no sound, was not interactive, and certainly wasn't worth the months of work that had been spent on it. (I believe the game was 8 months into developent at this time!). In fact, the whole future of the game looked on a knife edge.
The other games Ninty had handed out were all good, but many were so far from ready that you wonder why Nintendo didn't just make one of these games themselves to get it out at launch.
Before Nintendo fans throw a riot, let me just saya few things:
1) I am only talking about launch titles
2) I'm a huge Miyamoto fan and will be buying a GC myself
3) This topic is MEANT to cause discussion.
Oh, and remember, all the titles that miss release will come out eventually. So those Zeldas and Marios will certainly mean the console is a great piece of kit. That;s not what I'm arguing about.
I just want to know where all of Ninty's time has gone? They've given away many of their big games, has ages to make a killer titles, and instead they come out with Pikmin... fun, but not AAA by any means.
Sonic
So, not only has Nintendo got to compete with Sony (again!), but this time Microsoft have joined the scene. Add to that, the PS2 has had two Christmases worth of sales, and a huge repetoire of games, and the Xbox has a huge marketting budget (and a strong launch to go).
Clearly, Nintendo cannot compete with Microsoft on the TV screens- they simply don't ahve the money for that.
Oh no... Ninty have a far greater weapon at their disposly- games. And lots of them. With characters and franchises ranging from Mario and Zelda to Metroid and Kirby you wouldn't be suprised if Nintendo launched the Gamecube with the best line up of AAA titles seen...
In fact, I thought Nintendo had gone one better when they announced, a while back, that they had given the rights to many of their games away. Metroid, Smash Brothers and Starfox, amongst others, were to have sequals made by developers outside Nintendo. This would then enable Nintendo to concentrate on making some of the most spectacular games ever. Maybe a new Zelda for launch? Maybe something totally new!
But alas, things seem to be crumbling. First we hear news of Ninty's in house games. It turns out that Mario and Zelda will be absent from launch, to be replaced by a couple of weaker games. Ok, so the in house games are good fun, no doubt, BUT will these attract gamers to buy the Gamcube. Methinks not.
Nor will the news of a new Zelda wet gamers appetites- 90% of gamers are the casual sort who will buy a console on brandname alone, and don't read multiformat mags. How are Nintendo going to get these gamers to part with their PS2s, and buy a console that looks like a kids toy? (Sorry, but the console doesn't look "serious".)
OH! And things get worse!...
Those franchised games Ninty have given out aren't all they were promised to be.
At Spaceworld, there was a big absence of Metroid clips- only 8 seconds of the game were shown. Asked why this was, Mr. Miyamoto had to admit that he'd only got the code for the game just before the show, and he wasn't impressed by what he saw. The game had bad pop-up, no sound, was not interactive, and certainly wasn't worth the months of work that had been spent on it. (I believe the game was 8 months into developent at this time!). In fact, the whole future of the game looked on a knife edge.
The other games Ninty had handed out were all good, but many were so far from ready that you wonder why Nintendo didn't just make one of these games themselves to get it out at launch.
Before Nintendo fans throw a riot, let me just saya few things:
1) I am only talking about launch titles
2) I'm a huge Miyamoto fan and will be buying a GC myself
3) This topic is MEANT to cause discussion.
Oh, and remember, all the titles that miss release will come out eventually. So those Zeldas and Marios will certainly mean the console is a great piece of kit. That;s not what I'm arguing about.
I just want to know where all of Ninty's time has gone? They've given away many of their big games, has ages to make a killer titles, and instead they come out with Pikmin... fun, but not AAA by any means.
Sonic
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the PS2 does, have 3rd party support, but is losing it (obviously not to any huge effect, but it is losing some developers full support) simply because it is difficult to make games for and the GC (I'm not sure about Xbox) is easy to develop for. One reason Sony had so much support with the original PSX was because it was easy to develop for. Now all that has changed. Now I'm not saying Sony still don't have third party support, obviously they do, but if they start losing the console war they'll lose much support, because many developers are only on PS2 because that's where the money is. If another console becomes more popular the PS2 will lose much support, just because it is difficult to develop for, and there are other consoles out there that will bring in just as much money.
As for the advertisements, that is an issue of opinion, and I think the Sony adverts suck (the 'third place' ones anyway) because they show no in-game footage, and are basically asking someone to buy a PS2 on image alone. It doesn't even tell you what a PS2 is! Someone could watch the ad, and be no wiser to what a PS2 actually is or does! Other ads are okay, showing some in game footage, but that GT3 one was undeniably cheesy. Anyway, I don't like ads in general... they are made by huge corporations to try and sell you their goods. They aren't interested in whether the ad shows the product fairly, as long as you part with your cash. anyway, that's why I am pretty cynical when it comnes to adverts...
As for the advertisements, that is an issue of opinion, and I think the Sony adverts suck (the 'third place' ones anyway) because they show no in-game footage, and are basically asking someone to buy a PS2 on image alone. It doesn't even tell you what a PS2 is! Someone could watch the ad, and be no wiser to what a PS2 actually is or does! Other ads are okay, showing some in game footage, but that GT3 one was undeniably cheesy. Anyway, I don't like ads in general... they are made by huge corporations to try and sell you their goods. They aren't interested in whether the ad shows the product fairly, as long as you part with your cash. anyway, that's why I am pretty cynical when it comnes to adverts...
What the hell are you talking about? The PlayStation 2 probably has more third party support than the GameCube and Xbox combined. And as for advertising, Sony make some of the best adverts out there. Not just for the PS2, have you seen those Go Create ones? Genius.
We haven't had a serious console war for a while, but now it is a full fledged battle to see who is supreme. Microsoft have the money to so many things - advertising to be one, and a lot of advertising at that! Nintendo have a lot of third party support, but so do Microsoft. You can rule PS2 out from both! Microsoft is like the boy who was spoon-fed and Nintendo and Sony are the underachievers.
Depends which site you go to really.
I have from varouis sources that Mikami actually prefers the Gamecube hardware, and hats making games for the PS2. Fueling rumours of Capcom completly jumping ship to Nintendo.
I have from varouis sources that Mikami actually prefers the Gamecube hardware, and hats making games for the PS2. Fueling rumours of Capcom completly jumping ship to Nintendo.
I have read in several places (long lost in my IE cache) that Mikami was paid obscene amounts of money by Nintendo for the franchise, presumably because they were extremely funned off at their crumbling relationship with Square. It's obvious that no one in their right minds would EVER associate Resident Evil with the GameCube.
Dringo wrote:
> Yeah is money involved, was he trying to throw us off, did he really see the
> Gamecube as best ever within a month? Is Devil May Cry coming maybe Onimusha or
> Dino Crisis, or Megaman or Street fighter a few of Capcom's series of games.
if anyone could shed light on this?
Sonci
> Yeah is money involved, was he trying to throw us off, did he really see the
> Gamecube as best ever within a month? Is Devil May Cry coming maybe Onimusha or
> Dino Crisis, or Megaman or Street fighter a few of Capcom's series of games.
if anyone could shed light on this?
Sonci
Yeah is money involved, was he trying to throw us off, did he really see the Gamecube as best ever within a month? Is Devil May Cry coming maybe Onimusha or Dino Crisis, or Megaman or Street fighter a few of Capcom's series of games.
Dringo wrote:
Mikami San invented RE but didn't do 2 and 3.
> As for him he is odd only a month before he said he thinks DMC would look out of
> place on the GC and he doesnt know much about the GC a month later he makes his
> series exclusive (a series he has taken control of again).
very, very odd indeed.... hmmmmmmm...
Sonic
Mikami San invented RE but didn't do 2 and 3.
> As for him he is odd only a month before he said he thinks DMC would look out of
> place on the GC and he doesnt know much about the GC a month later he makes his
> series exclusive (a series he has taken control of again).
very, very odd indeed.... hmmmmmmm...
Sonic
Or†ega wrote:
> Dont pray toooo hard for Devil May cry. It aint THAT good.
I played it for
> about half an hour, found it too become quite repetitive. Maybe i need to play
> it for longer?!
MY brother has it and i want it on GC along with GTA3 then the GC has it all, lol i used to think the PS1 was very good due to the RE series.
> Dont pray toooo hard for Devil May cry. It aint THAT good.
I played it for
> about half an hour, found it too become quite repetitive. Maybe i need to play
> it for longer?!
MY brother has it and i want it on GC along with GTA3 then the GC has it all, lol i used to think the PS1 was very good due to the RE series.
===SONICRAV---> wrote:
I was talking about the N64 Mickey Mouse game! Ninty fans waited 4
> years for a capcom game, and then got mickey mouse... followed my RE2 of course
> :)
Yep and Capcom never made Mickey Mouse on the N64 they are doing the Gamecube one... but you knew that right ;)
Well, all I know is that the guy in charge of the RE
> games are the creator of the series were on stage with Shigsy when the console
> was announced... even gave a big speach after him... I think Naka-san then came
> on to talk about how great the console is.
Mikami San invented RE but didn't do 2 and 3. As for him he is odd only a month before he said he thinks DMC would look out of place on the GC and he doesnt know much about the GC a month later he makes his series exclusive (a series he has taken control of again).
I was talking about the N64 Mickey Mouse game! Ninty fans waited 4
> years for a capcom game, and then got mickey mouse... followed my RE2 of course
> :)
Yep and Capcom never made Mickey Mouse on the N64 they are doing the Gamecube one... but you knew that right ;)
Well, all I know is that the guy in charge of the RE
> games are the creator of the series were on stage with Shigsy when the console
> was announced... even gave a big speach after him... I think Naka-san then came
> on to talk about how great the console is.
Mikami San invented RE but didn't do 2 and 3. As for him he is odd only a month before he said he thinks DMC would look out of place on the GC and he doesnt know much about the GC a month later he makes his series exclusive (a series he has taken control of again).
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