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For the first time in years, there are more than two serious consoles hitting the market. Even more amazingly, two of these consoles are launching head-to-head, and the other is extremely well established... both with brand name and games.
So, not only has Nintendo got to compete with Sony (again!), but this time Microsoft have joined the scene. Add to that, the PS2 has had two Christmases worth of sales, and a huge repetoire of games, and the Xbox has a huge marketting budget (and a strong launch to go).
Clearly, Nintendo cannot compete with Microsoft on the TV screens- they simply don't ahve the money for that.
Oh no... Ninty have a far greater weapon at their disposly- games. And lots of them. With characters and franchises ranging from Mario and Zelda to Metroid and Kirby you wouldn't be suprised if Nintendo launched the Gamecube with the best line up of AAA titles seen...
In fact, I thought Nintendo had gone one better when they announced, a while back, that they had given the rights to many of their games away. Metroid, Smash Brothers and Starfox, amongst others, were to have sequals made by developers outside Nintendo. This would then enable Nintendo to concentrate on making some of the most spectacular games ever. Maybe a new Zelda for launch? Maybe something totally new!
But alas, things seem to be crumbling. First we hear news of Ninty's in house games. It turns out that Mario and Zelda will be absent from launch, to be replaced by a couple of weaker games. Ok, so the in house games are good fun, no doubt, BUT will these attract gamers to buy the Gamcube. Methinks not.
Nor will the news of a new Zelda wet gamers appetites- 90% of gamers are the casual sort who will buy a console on brandname alone, and don't read multiformat mags. How are Nintendo going to get these gamers to part with their PS2s, and buy a console that looks like a kids toy? (Sorry, but the console doesn't look "serious".)
OH! And things get worse!...
Those franchised games Ninty have given out aren't all they were promised to be.
At Spaceworld, there was a big absence of Metroid clips- only 8 seconds of the game were shown. Asked why this was, Mr. Miyamoto had to admit that he'd only got the code for the game just before the show, and he wasn't impressed by what he saw. The game had bad pop-up, no sound, was not interactive, and certainly wasn't worth the months of work that had been spent on it. (I believe the game was 8 months into developent at this time!). In fact, the whole future of the game looked on a knife edge.
The other games Ninty had handed out were all good, but many were so far from ready that you wonder why Nintendo didn't just make one of these games themselves to get it out at launch.
Before Nintendo fans throw a riot, let me just saya few things:
1) I am only talking about launch titles
2) I'm a huge Miyamoto fan and will be buying a GC myself
3) This topic is MEANT to cause discussion.
Oh, and remember, all the titles that miss release will come out eventually. So those Zeldas and Marios will certainly mean the console is a great piece of kit. That;s not what I'm arguing about.
I just want to know where all of Ninty's time has gone? They've given away many of their big games, has ages to make a killer titles, and instead they come out with Pikmin... fun, but not AAA by any means.
Sonic
So, not only has Nintendo got to compete with Sony (again!), but this time Microsoft have joined the scene. Add to that, the PS2 has had two Christmases worth of sales, and a huge repetoire of games, and the Xbox has a huge marketting budget (and a strong launch to go).
Clearly, Nintendo cannot compete with Microsoft on the TV screens- they simply don't ahve the money for that.
Oh no... Ninty have a far greater weapon at their disposly- games. And lots of them. With characters and franchises ranging from Mario and Zelda to Metroid and Kirby you wouldn't be suprised if Nintendo launched the Gamecube with the best line up of AAA titles seen...
In fact, I thought Nintendo had gone one better when they announced, a while back, that they had given the rights to many of their games away. Metroid, Smash Brothers and Starfox, amongst others, were to have sequals made by developers outside Nintendo. This would then enable Nintendo to concentrate on making some of the most spectacular games ever. Maybe a new Zelda for launch? Maybe something totally new!
But alas, things seem to be crumbling. First we hear news of Ninty's in house games. It turns out that Mario and Zelda will be absent from launch, to be replaced by a couple of weaker games. Ok, so the in house games are good fun, no doubt, BUT will these attract gamers to buy the Gamcube. Methinks not.
Nor will the news of a new Zelda wet gamers appetites- 90% of gamers are the casual sort who will buy a console on brandname alone, and don't read multiformat mags. How are Nintendo going to get these gamers to part with their PS2s, and buy a console that looks like a kids toy? (Sorry, but the console doesn't look "serious".)
OH! And things get worse!...
Those franchised games Ninty have given out aren't all they were promised to be.
At Spaceworld, there was a big absence of Metroid clips- only 8 seconds of the game were shown. Asked why this was, Mr. Miyamoto had to admit that he'd only got the code for the game just before the show, and he wasn't impressed by what he saw. The game had bad pop-up, no sound, was not interactive, and certainly wasn't worth the months of work that had been spent on it. (I believe the game was 8 months into developent at this time!). In fact, the whole future of the game looked on a knife edge.
The other games Ninty had handed out were all good, but many were so far from ready that you wonder why Nintendo didn't just make one of these games themselves to get it out at launch.
Before Nintendo fans throw a riot, let me just saya few things:
1) I am only talking about launch titles
2) I'm a huge Miyamoto fan and will be buying a GC myself
3) This topic is MEANT to cause discussion.
Oh, and remember, all the titles that miss release will come out eventually. So those Zeldas and Marios will certainly mean the console is a great piece of kit. That;s not what I'm arguing about.
I just want to know where all of Ninty's time has gone? They've given away many of their big games, has ages to make a killer titles, and instead they come out with Pikmin... fun, but not AAA by any means.
Sonic
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Turbonutter wrote:
> You're not ansering the questiopn. I wonder why that is?
I don't need to as I said.
"I won, before I was even born"
Take philosophy Turbonutter, they teach you how to argue, how to make proper valid premises and form a conclusion from A to B to C. Not invalid tosh.
> You're not ansering the questiopn. I wonder why that is?
I don't need to as I said.
"I won, before I was even born"
Take philosophy Turbonutter, they teach you how to argue, how to make proper valid premises and form a conclusion from A to B to C. Not invalid tosh.
You're not ansering the questiopn. I wonder why that is?
Turbonutter wrote:
> er.no. What is the number one selling console in the world at the
> moment?
http://www.geocities.com/chtang.geo/topten.htm
Wow thanks! Nintendo's GC games are doing extremely well.
> er.no. What is the number one selling console in the world at the
> moment?
http://www.geocities.com/chtang.geo/topten.htm
Wow thanks! Nintendo's GC games are doing extremely well.
er.no. What is the number one selling console in the world at the moment?
http://www.geocities.com/chtang.geo/topten.htm
http://www.geocities.com/chtang.geo/topten.htm
As Keith Blackwell once said,
'...sometimes, you don't need to answer, as the person who is questionning is so far from the truth....its unhelpable'
My predictions have never been wrong before on these forums Turbonutter, thats not to say I am some kind of god, but hell, I know what I can see when the truth is there infront.
STOP reading the one side of the dice. There is so much more. Read up on stocks and shares and how Sony aren't putting anything much else into the PS2. How companies are preferring to develop for XBox and GC. How they did actually lose Capcom to Nintendo. The curtains are shut, its up to the beholder to look behind them.
'...sometimes, you don't need to answer, as the person who is questionning is so far from the truth....its unhelpable'
My predictions have never been wrong before on these forums Turbonutter, thats not to say I am some kind of god, but hell, I know what I can see when the truth is there infront.
STOP reading the one side of the dice. There is so much more. Read up on stocks and shares and how Sony aren't putting anything much else into the PS2. How companies are preferring to develop for XBox and GC. How they did actually lose Capcom to Nintendo. The curtains are shut, its up to the beholder to look behind them.
You could argue that someone who honestly believes the GC will beat the PS2 is as blind as the person who argues otherwise, simply because it is a prediction and all predictions are nothing more than educated opinions, and as such cannot be proved conclusively.
I honestly believe that the PS2 will sell more than the GameCube. If you disagree then you believe the GameCube will sell more than the PS2. You must have reasons for your prediction, apart from faith and that "Company X always do well". Otherwise you are as blind as a newborn kitten.
At least I have given arguments based on fact. All I have had in reply is "Nintendo make better games".
I honestly believe that the PS2 will sell more than the GameCube. If you disagree then you believe the GameCube will sell more than the PS2. You must have reasons for your prediction, apart from faith and that "Company X always do well". Otherwise you are as blind as a newborn kitten.
At least I have given arguments based on fact. All I have had in reply is "Nintendo make better games".
Turbonutter wrote:
> Chicken!
No, it would be doubling my word count taking it past the million mark.. and I dont really want to type a 400,000 word essay for people not to appreicate. Some people are blind. I can see who they are now.
> Chicken!
No, it would be doubling my word count taking it past the million mark.. and I dont really want to type a 400,000 word essay for people not to appreicate. Some people are blind. I can see who they are now.
Chicken!
I have a lot to say.
Some things are better left unsaid. We will see.
*er-no slowly walks away, the muffled sound of a cry can be heard*
Some things are better left unsaid. We will see.
*er-no slowly walks away, the muffled sound of a cry can be heard*
But seriously, there can't be many people in Britain that don't know what a PlayStation or PlayStation 2 is. However, I bet you there's absolutely loads that have no idea what a GameCube or Xbox is.
As for support, well: The PlayStation 2 has ceased to be hard to develop for, because Sony, Criterion etc have released loads of middleware libraries and tools that make it much easier. On the subject of being outsold, I think you'll find it'll be very unlikely. The chances of any console selling more than the PS2 now are very small indeed. I don't know how any of the companies can see Nintendo or Microsoft outselling Sony this round. They're both just too late! That's not to say theeir consoles aren't better though.
As for support, well: The PlayStation 2 has ceased to be hard to develop for, because Sony, Criterion etc have released loads of middleware libraries and tools that make it much easier. On the subject of being outsold, I think you'll find it'll be very unlikely. The chances of any console selling more than the PS2 now are very small indeed. I don't know how any of the companies can see Nintendo or Microsoft outselling Sony this round. They're both just too late! That's not to say theeir consoles aren't better though.
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