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Well, it's out and I shall be buying it. "Why?!?" I hear you cry ... well, partly because I have the first two and I like closure and partly because I have the missus' nephews and nieces staying with us most weekends and holidays and a certain amount of my DVD purchases have them in mind.
The nephews (who are both 10) love The Matrix and Reloaded so they'll no doubt want to watch it, much the missus' annoyance.
The nephews (who are both 10) love The Matrix and Reloaded so they'll no doubt want to watch it, much the missus' annoyance.
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He does indeed, but I never really thought that to have a hidden meaning behind it unless you never saw the second film and paid close attention to what the arcitect said.
Notice how Agent Smith calls the Oracle 'mum' just before he duplicates himself through her.
Solskjær wrote:
> And, when The Oracle talks to The Architect about 'those still
> trapped inside' that want to be freed, who is she on about?
>
> Does she mean more Programs like herself? People "lost" -
> like the girl at the train station? Or, simply, those left connected
> to The Matrix without any real idea as to `The Truth´
> itself... (those still needing to be "un-plugged")?
I think in the first matrix there was something about how most of the people inside the matrix would not be ready to realise the truth. presumably the oracle is referring to the people who want to be freed.
> And, when The Oracle talks to The Architect about 'those still
> trapped inside' that want to be freed, who is she on about?
>
> Does she mean more Programs like herself? People "lost" -
> like the girl at the train station? Or, simply, those left connected
> to The Matrix without any real idea as to `The Truth´
> itself... (those still needing to be "un-plugged")?
I think in the first matrix there was something about how most of the people inside the matrix would not be ready to realise the truth. presumably the oracle is referring to the people who want to be freed.
Solskjær wrote:
> And, just to confirm it, when he refers to 'The Matrix's Mother' in
> Reloaded, he IS talking about The Oracle, right (I'm quite
> sure I heard him make a reference to it at the very-end of
> Revolutions too)?
Yes, that's correct.
> And, just to confirm it, when he refers to 'The Matrix's Mother' in
> Reloaded, he IS talking about The Oracle, right (I'm quite
> sure I heard him make a reference to it at the very-end of
> Revolutions too)?
Yes, that's correct.
ßora† §agdiyeV wrote:
"they just made up some poxy excuse about her making a choice she had to live with."
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Well, I guess they had to do something when the original Oracle (Gloria Foster) died of diabetes back in 2001... She died during the filming of Reloaded, infact. According to www.iMDB.com, they filmed just-enough of her for the second film, but didn't get any done for Revolutions.
[URL]http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0287825/[/URL], to see for yourself.
For people who can build great machinery like the city-defending ones they had, with such limited resources, too (as one must presume), the people of Zion were a real bunch of brain-less idiots for not realising who Bane was becoming - especialy Morpheus, Trinity and Neo; "The One"! :P
"they just made up some poxy excuse about her making a choice she had to live with."
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Well, I guess they had to do something when the original Oracle (Gloria Foster) died of diabetes back in 2001... She died during the filming of Reloaded, infact. According to www.iMDB.com, they filmed just-enough of her for the second film, but didn't get any done for Revolutions.
[URL]http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0287825/[/URL], to see for yourself.
For people who can build great machinery like the city-defending ones they had, with such limited resources, too (as one must presume), the people of Zion were a real bunch of brain-less idiots for not realising who Bane was becoming - especialy Morpheus, Trinity and Neo; "The One"! :P
Dakarus Joe wrote:
> They cant be opposite equations because the Oracle unbalances these
> equations and where is she? In Smith I do beleive Mav is right and
> Smith is not Jacked into the matrix so they couldent "pump"
> him with energy.
The agent Smith that fought with Neo WAS the Oracle. Also when neo also got turned into a smith he WAS jacked into the Matrix via the computer mainframe, so when the Smith program was accessible by the machines they took the opportunity to delete the file as they do with all programs that went into exile instead of deletion.
> They cant be opposite equations because the Oracle unbalances these
> equations and where is she? In Smith I do beleive Mav is right and
> Smith is not Jacked into the matrix so they couldent "pump"
> him with energy.
The agent Smith that fought with Neo WAS the Oracle. Also when neo also got turned into a smith he WAS jacked into the Matrix via the computer mainframe, so when the Smith program was accessible by the machines they took the opportunity to delete the file as they do with all programs that went into exile instead of deletion.
maddmun wrote:
"...therfore, if one died, the other would die too, to balance out the equation, blah blah blah, and that's why neo let smith kill him..."
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But, for what The Oracle was saying to Neo, wasn't she just trying to un-balance it all, for the sake of Zion and the future of mankind?
From what I understood in the last film, the equasions needed to be unbalanced for everything and everyone to be saved. If it were to remain "balanced", it would all go wrong - isn't that what she was saying?
So... Since everything (presumabley) turned out alright in the end, surely, Neo must still be alive, right? (Unless, of course, it's Smith instead....)
And, when The Oracle talks to The Architect about 'those still trapped inside' that want to be freed, who is she on about?
Does she mean more Programs like herself? People "lost" - like the girl at the train station? Or, simply, those left connected to The Matrix without any real idea as to `The Truth´ itself... (those still needing to be "un-plugged")?
And, just to confirm it, when he refers to 'The Matrix's Mother' in Reloaded, he IS talking about The Oracle, right (I'm quite sure I heard him make a reference to it at the very-end of Revolutions too)?
"...therfore, if one died, the other would die too, to balance out the equation, blah blah blah, and that's why neo let smith kill him..."
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But, for what The Oracle was saying to Neo, wasn't she just trying to un-balance it all, for the sake of Zion and the future of mankind?
From what I understood in the last film, the equasions needed to be unbalanced for everything and everyone to be saved. If it were to remain "balanced", it would all go wrong - isn't that what she was saying?
So... Since everything (presumabley) turned out alright in the end, surely, Neo must still be alive, right? (Unless, of course, it's Smith instead....)
And, when The Oracle talks to The Architect about 'those still trapped inside' that want to be freed, who is she on about?
Does she mean more Programs like herself? People "lost" - like the girl at the train station? Or, simply, those left connected to The Matrix without any real idea as to `The Truth´ itself... (those still needing to be "un-plugged")?
And, just to confirm it, when he refers to 'The Matrix's Mother' in Reloaded, he IS talking about The Oracle, right (I'm quite sure I heard him make a reference to it at the very-end of Revolutions too)?
ßora† §agdiyeV wrote:
> and if people will be allowed to leave the matrix, as the architect
> said, how are the machines going to survive without having enough
> power?
Me and my sister discussed this after the first film was released, most people already have a wondeful life inside of the matrix and would not want to leave to a dank underground city where they aren't famous or richer than other people anymore. Whereas the poor degenerate people on the streets they would jump at the chance because there is nowhere better for them to go, or they would stay in the matrix and change who they are in the program so they can lead a better life.
But eventually when there isn't enough people left to go into the matrix as all the original people with the implants die off then the machines will have to think of alternative power sources again, and perhaps by then the sun will shine on the world once again. Or the machines go off to another planet to live away from the humans and get their power from the sun that way.
> and if people will be allowed to leave the matrix, as the architect
> said, how are the machines going to survive without having enough
> power?
Me and my sister discussed this after the first film was released, most people already have a wondeful life inside of the matrix and would not want to leave to a dank underground city where they aren't famous or richer than other people anymore. Whereas the poor degenerate people on the streets they would jump at the chance because there is nowhere better for them to go, or they would stay in the matrix and change who they are in the program so they can lead a better life.
But eventually when there isn't enough people left to go into the matrix as all the original people with the implants die off then the machines will have to think of alternative power sources again, and perhaps by then the sun will shine on the world once again. Or the machines go off to another planet to live away from the humans and get their power from the sun that way.
CTUbauer wrote:
"Yep, and Neo was meant to return to the source, according to the Architect for code desemination. And that's what I presume happened."
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The Architect said he was meant to return to 'The Source', but The Oracle said he "would know what to do". She also said that the Architect 'could not see past the end of his own nose' (or something...) because he could not understand the Choices he had.
We all saw Neo walk-through the other door. And, because of all this, I reckon it's safe to say he did not 'return for code desimination', as you put it.
"Yep, and Neo was meant to return to the source, according to the Architect for code desemination. And that's what I presume happened."
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The Architect said he was meant to return to 'The Source', but The Oracle said he "would know what to do". She also said that the Architect 'could not see past the end of his own nose' (or something...) because he could not understand the Choices he had.
We all saw Neo walk-through the other door. And, because of all this, I reckon it's safe to say he did not 'return for code desimination', as you put it.
Mav wrote:
> Neo let Smith copy himself onto him, and the machines used Neo as a
> link to Smith's program to destroy Smith. We can only assume that the
> explosion of light came from the obliteration of Smith.
>
> "out of darkness comes light"
Not how I see it.
Smith is Neo (Neo: What is he? Oracle: He is you)
Neo is the result of an unbalanced equation, we are told this in Reloaded. So, when Smith copies himself onto Neo, the equation is solved. The result of that is to destroy Neo and Smith, and restore control of The Matrix to the Machines.
> Neo let Smith copy himself onto him, and the machines used Neo as a
> link to Smith's program to destroy Smith. We can only assume that the
> explosion of light came from the obliteration of Smith.
>
> "out of darkness comes light"
Not how I see it.
Smith is Neo (Neo: What is he? Oracle: He is you)
Neo is the result of an unbalanced equation, we are told this in Reloaded. So, when Smith copies himself onto Neo, the equation is solved. The result of that is to destroy Neo and Smith, and restore control of The Matrix to the Machines.
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