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"FF, what colour was Jesus?"

Or God for that matter. He made us in His image and the earliest Humans were from Asia, so they must have been yellow/brown/whatever skinned. Yet, every Bible printed, every religious image in the Western world shows him as a white man. Why is that? Do you think it could be some subtle form of manipulation for us Honkys? The whole region of Bethlehem, Jerusalem, etc., is in the Middle East area, and I don't see no white folk about. Could it be that the Bible my old school gave me and forced me to learn from was lying to me?

My personal favourite theory, that explains everything about the man called Jesus, is that he was a time-traveller. Think about it. Some mystical bloke, giving it all "that" with extra sass - I'd be pretty lairy if I'd just time-travelled. Healing the sick with modern and future medicine. And he's white. The first time-traveller (if the End of Days hasn't come like you're cheerily predicting) will probably be some white-bred American bloke, so he'll be well-versed in the Bible. It's a good theory, don't knock it. Expect to see the film. Soon. Starring Mark Wahlberg as Jesus. And William Shatner as God. Probably.

Then they weren't truely free, were they?
True freedom is an impossible.

God told them NOT to eat the fruit of the tree. He instructed them NOT to eat it, they had free-will to, but they were told NOT to.

Forest Fan wrote:
> FinalFantasyFanatic wrote:
> Forest Fan wrote:
> The point you are missing here FFF, is God allowed free-will. It was
> up to Satan and man how they used their free-will.
>
> God allowed free-will, then he put conditions on it.
> So it's no longer free will.
> God = hypocrite.
>
> Free-will is there. God gave man free-will, it was Adam and Eve who
> decided to break that free-will. They knew they had the power to
> disobey God, but they also knew it was wrong.

You can't break free-will, that makes no sense.

God said:
"Oh - you have free-will. This means you're free to do whatever you want. But you can't disobey me. Or not believe in me. Or my son. And don't eat from that tree. And don't be gay. And don't screw sheep. Otherwise I'll kick you out my garden and / or send you to hell."

Don't you see?
You can't put conditions on free-will. Otherwise it's not truely free will.

Edgy wrote:
> Forest Fan wrote:
> Edgy wrote:
> Forest Fan, you can not remain 'blameless' for your actions infront
> of
> any leader.
>
> Surely most movies have taught you this:
>
> One example being:
> Masters of the Universe (Skelator vapourises Lizard Man when the
> four
> fail to ring back He-man and the key.)
>
> I should not appear blameless in front of Jesus, but that is the
> only
> way I can enter the Kingdom of God, because no sin can enter it.
>
> So you admit you are doing wrong to appear blameless then?

I admit I don't deserve to appear blameless and sinless, because I am a sinner. But this is the extent of it all, Jesus died for the everyone and those who believe in Him, will be totally forgiven of all sins. That is what is so amazing about Jesus.

FinalFantasyFanatic wrote:
> Forest Fan wrote:
> The point you are missing here FFF, is God allowed free-will. It was
> up to Satan and man how they used their free-will.
>
> God allowed free-will, then he put conditions on it.
> So it's no longer free will.
> God = hypocrite.

Free-will is there. God gave man free-will, it was Adam and Eve who decided to break that free-will. They knew they had the power to disobey God, but they also knew it was wrong.

Forest Fan wrote:
> Edgy wrote:
> Forest Fan, you can not remain 'blameless' for your actions infront
> of
> any leader.
>
> Surely most movies have taught you this:
>
> One example being:
> Masters of the Universe (Skelator vapourises Lizard Man when the
> four
> fail to ring back He-man and the key.)
>
> I should not appear blameless in front of Jesus, but that is the only
> way I can enter the Kingdom of God, because no sin can enter it.

So you admit you are doing wrong to appear blameless then?

Forest Fan wrote:
> The point you are missing here FFF, is God allowed free-will. It was
> up to Satan and man how they used their free-will.

God allowed free-will, then he put conditions on it.
So it's no longer free will.
God = hypocrite.

Tyla wrote:
> Forest Fan wrote:
> By not taking of the forbidden fruit and not disobeying God.
>
> Typical... 'tis always the womans fault!;)

Eve (woman) sinned first, but Adam (man) was weak and did not stand up to sin.

Edgy wrote:
> Forest Fan, you can not remain 'blameless' for your actions infront of
> any leader.
>
> Surely most movies have taught you this:
>
> One example being:
> Masters of the Universe (Skelator vapourises Lizard Man when the four
> fail to ring back He-man and the key.)

I should not appear blameless in front of Jesus, but that is the only way I can enter the Kingdom of God, because no sin can enter it.

FinalFantasyFanatic wrote:
> Pffftt ... God wanted that to happen.
>
> Let's get this straight:
> God makes a tree with forbidden fruit on it (why did he do that?) and
> tells people not to eat the fruit, but leaves it well within reach
> (why did he do that?). He also makes the serpant (why did he do
> that?) which goes and tricks Eve into taking the fruit.
>
Actually God gives EVERYONE free-will. He gave His angels free-will, Satan chose to diosbey God with his free-will. Satan created the fruit on the tree that was forbidden by God. The serpant represents Satan and tried to tempt man away from God.

> God allowed sin to enter the world by making the serpent, also by
> making Eve so she'd listen to it.
> Why make things that are obviously going to betray you.
>
> God is a hypocrite, blaming his own creations for their misdeeds.

The point you are missing here FFF, is God allowed free-will. It was up to Satan and man how they used their free-will.