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Well, i have to say that this was a marvellously entertaining film, i held off going for a pee until my hands went numb, but i still felt a little let down.
This film is by far the most removed from the book, and i think the spirit of the film suffers for it. Having Sam leave Frodo seemed to add an unneccesary complexity to the tale, and as for Gollum trying to poison Frodo against Sam i thought it a bit pointless.
But still, the battles are incredible, almost rousing me out of my seat to shout a battle cry. But then they made it look like minas tirith was made out of Lego, and if the first 5 minutes of the siege of Minas Tirith were anything to go by, the city should have been levelled in half an hour at most.
I could rant on about the various bits of the book that were left out, but it would take some space, and if the film is still good anyway, then whats the point?
Oh, and take some tissues, there were quite a few people who were left blubbing.
This film is by far the most removed from the book, and i think the spirit of the film suffers for it. Having Sam leave Frodo seemed to add an unneccesary complexity to the tale, and as for Gollum trying to poison Frodo against Sam i thought it a bit pointless.
But still, the battles are incredible, almost rousing me out of my seat to shout a battle cry. But then they made it look like minas tirith was made out of Lego, and if the first 5 minutes of the siege of Minas Tirith were anything to go by, the city should have been levelled in half an hour at most.
I could rant on about the various bits of the book that were left out, but it would take some space, and if the film is still good anyway, then whats the point?
Oh, and take some tissues, there were quite a few people who were left blubbing.
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Stryke wrote:
> Great argument. Just accept you don't understand Tolkien and we'll
> call it quits.
I wouldn't call that an argument. It's appeasement.
> Thorin Oakenshield
Thanks for that.
> Great argument. Just accept you don't understand Tolkien and we'll
> call it quits.
I wouldn't call that an argument. It's appeasement.
> Thorin Oakenshield
Thanks for that.
Darwock wrote:
> The cinema film was made for a different audience, people like Cubist
> who don't care what they're seeing as long as it's got explosions and
> cars and stuff.
>
> The people who really care about good movies (and good books) are the
> people they made the DVDs for. No point arguing about it.
I completely disagree about that. Just because you don't like the books doesn't mean that you wont like the films and vice versa. I care to a huge extent about what I'm seeing and that's why I have such a bad opinion about the film. There are termondous fight scenes and explosion in it so if that was all I cared about then by your logic I would have loved it. Just because I dislike Tolkiens books because of his writing style does not make me some kind of idiot who can be amused by any film with a bang.
I will also have you know that I have around 40 DVDs of my own not including my parents and brothers and they include my most recent addition the Oscar winning Bowling For Columbine. I have also read some of Micheal Moore's books and much prefer them so frankly your logic is flawed in a variety of ways.
P.s. My favourite film in the past 10 years is Cabin Fever which hasn't got a single explosion, a huge budget or anything it is just a good film with a strong plot and many moral issues thrust into the spotlight every now and again.
> The cinema film was made for a different audience, people like Cubist
> who don't care what they're seeing as long as it's got explosions and
> cars and stuff.
>
> The people who really care about good movies (and good books) are the
> people they made the DVDs for. No point arguing about it.
I completely disagree about that. Just because you don't like the books doesn't mean that you wont like the films and vice versa. I care to a huge extent about what I'm seeing and that's why I have such a bad opinion about the film. There are termondous fight scenes and explosion in it so if that was all I cared about then by your logic I would have loved it. Just because I dislike Tolkiens books because of his writing style does not make me some kind of idiot who can be amused by any film with a bang.
I will also have you know that I have around 40 DVDs of my own not including my parents and brothers and they include my most recent addition the Oscar winning Bowling For Columbine. I have also read some of Micheal Moore's books and much prefer them so frankly your logic is flawed in a variety of ways.
P.s. My favourite film in the past 10 years is Cabin Fever which hasn't got a single explosion, a huge budget or anything it is just a good film with a strong plot and many moral issues thrust into the spotlight every now and again.
The cinema film was made for a different audience, people like Cubist who don't care what they're seeing as long as it's got explosions and cars and stuff.
The people who really care about good movies (and good books) are the people they made the DVDs for. No point arguing about it.
The people who really care about good movies (and good books) are the people they made the DVDs for. No point arguing about it.
Cubist wrote:
> Emm right.
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Great argument. Just accept you don't understand Tolkien and we'll call it quits.
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and whoever was the lead
> dwarf I forget.
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Thorin Oakenshield
> Emm right.
--
Great argument. Just accept you don't understand Tolkien and we'll call it quits.
--
and whoever was the lead
> dwarf I forget.
--
Thorin Oakenshield
Your Honour wrote:
> Anyway, I still didn't think it was that great.
It wasn't...really it wasn't.
> Anyway, I still didn't think it was that great.
It wasn't...really it wasn't.
Emm right. Well when I can be bothered reading an archiac novel which simply does not appeal to me I will until then the films and their content will suffice. It took me 3 months to read the feckin Hobbit it was soooo boring. here's another dwarf...and another...and another...and another...every otherp paragraph is dedicated to telling us what each character is doing because there is so many and each time they feel the need to say their full names as if they are first being introduced for the first time. SO BORING! I was soo hoping they would kill off most of the dwarves just so they could focus on the main characters Bilbo, Gandalf and whoever was the lead dwarf I forget. The only drive factor for me was hoping that there would be a spectacular fight description with the Dragon which never happened. Some random guy in a town kills him. The battle they did take part in however wasn't even that good and still quite a let down. In conclusion I've sworn of Tolkiens work after that and that's why I haven't read the literature or plan to.
Anyway, I still didn't think it was that great.
The books aren't a novelisation of this film. This is a film of the book. If you want a full understanding, you're going to have to read the books. With, like, words and stuff.
If you want a simple explanation, Valinor or the Undying Lands is the home of the demi-gods of Middle-Earth (the Valar). It's basically heaven for elves, a place of eternal bliss and so forth, where nothing ever goes wrong, no-one ever feels pain. So Frodo is cured by going.
Although apparently the parents of Luthien feel pain, as does Elrond, because Luthien and Arwen chose mortality...But I'm going into the literature again. Sorry.
If you want a simple explanation, Valinor or the Undying Lands is the home of the demi-gods of Middle-Earth (the Valar). It's basically heaven for elves, a place of eternal bliss and so forth, where nothing ever goes wrong, no-one ever feels pain. So Frodo is cured by going.
Although apparently the parents of Luthien feel pain, as does Elrond, because Luthien and Arwen chose mortality...But I'm going into the literature again. Sorry.
Stryke wrote:
> "That wound will never truly heal. He will carry it the rest of
> his life."
>
> Frodo has a shard of Nazgul blade and Shelob's venom inside him. He
> goes off to the Undying Land because that's the only place a
> Ring-bearer can find peace. Same as Bilbo. Even Sam, who was a
> ring-bearer for a short while, leaves with Cirdan after Rosie dies.
As it says though those wounds will never truly heal so he's stuffed on that account. As for the Undying Land being the only place he could find peace did it say that anywhere in the film? How am I supposed to know something like that if it's only in the book. (pressuming it is in the book and not just an assumption). Rosie dies? Sam leaves with Cirdan? What? Now you're just going straight into the literature which has little relevance in a post talking about the film.
> "That wound will never truly heal. He will carry it the rest of
> his life."
>
> Frodo has a shard of Nazgul blade and Shelob's venom inside him. He
> goes off to the Undying Land because that's the only place a
> Ring-bearer can find peace. Same as Bilbo. Even Sam, who was a
> ring-bearer for a short while, leaves with Cirdan after Rosie dies.
As it says though those wounds will never truly heal so he's stuffed on that account. As for the Undying Land being the only place he could find peace did it say that anywhere in the film? How am I supposed to know something like that if it's only in the book. (pressuming it is in the book and not just an assumption). Rosie dies? Sam leaves with Cirdan? What? Now you're just going straight into the literature which has little relevance in a post talking about the film.
"That wound will never truly heal. He will carry it the rest of his life."
Frodo has a shard of Nazgul blade and Shelob's venom inside him. He goes off to the Undying Land because that's the only place a Ring-bearer can find peace. Same as Bilbo. Even Sam, who was a ring-bearer for a short while, leaves with Cirdan after Rosie dies.
Frodo has a shard of Nazgul blade and Shelob's venom inside him. He goes off to the Undying Land because that's the only place a Ring-bearer can find peace. Same as Bilbo. Even Sam, who was a ring-bearer for a short while, leaves with Cirdan after Rosie dies.
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