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Nintendo is marketing is console at gamers... which is why the GC will fail.
X-Box and PS are both squarly aimed primarily at the middle market...
This is the market where the cash is... though no-one single middle market games-player will ever buy as many games as a single hobbyist gamer...
The number of middle market players is where the money is...
And given the cost of producing a console, and titles capible of competing in todays market the Nintendo wont have enough buyers cash to make this possible...
There may be one more full size console left in Nintendo... but its future is left only as a handheld machine...
(at least until Sony & Microsoft dicede to attak the market)
X-Box and PS are both squarly aimed primarily at the middle market...
This is the market where the cash is... though no-one single middle market games-player will ever buy as many games as a single hobbyist gamer...
The number of middle market players is where the money is...
And given the cost of producing a console, and titles capible of competing in todays market the Nintendo wont have enough buyers cash to make this possible...
There may be one more full size console left in Nintendo... but its future is left only as a handheld machine...
(at least until Sony & Microsoft dicede to attak the market)
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"... I wonder why discussions are falling apart in this forum?"
Judging by your analytical skills tonight Shanks, I would say that's mostly your fault. ;0)
Judging by your analytical skills tonight Shanks, I would say that's mostly your fault. ;0)
er-no wrote:
> NO the dreamcast failed because it had failed in the past and people
> didn't give SEGA a second chance,
The N64 failed... why should people give Nintendo a second chance?
the GC won't fail because it is
> being aimed at us and not everyone else,
Thats my point... its everyone else that gives console developers and games companies their money... theres not enough of us to make it commercialy viable... let alone worth while...
no pointless add-ons, no
> connection at launch, no dvd at launch, these are all for the good
> of the GC,
Why? People in general love gadgets... people may buy a console because it comes with a DVD player, etc... so even if they get bored of playing games... they can still watch movies...
Japanese
> people think Shigsy is some gaming GOD,
One man may make great games... but a console requires MANY good-great developers to make it worth buying...
and they love NINTENDO, the
> US also is where Nintendo does brilliantly, if you are saying that
Not as much as you think if sales are anything to go by?
> the PS2 will beat the GC then think again, and I don;t think X BOX
> will simply because everyone will have to purchase 50 microsoft X
> BOX games for them to start to make a profit!
But if more people buy an XBox than a GC then it will have won... America is the biggest audience... and MS is VERY good at marketing to the audience... its also an American company which will appeal to the US...
> they sell at launch will lose the company 300 odd quid, also many
> companies are now backing down from the PS2 developing process, some
> have announced that after the current projects they will stop making
> games for the Sony machine,
But that doesnt mean there going to go to Nintendo... more likely move over to the XBox...
Watch what you say, I think you should think about it
> again.
Watch what I say... mmm ... I wonder why discussions are falling apart in this forum?
> NO the dreamcast failed because it had failed in the past and people
> didn't give SEGA a second chance,
The N64 failed... why should people give Nintendo a second chance?
the GC won't fail because it is
> being aimed at us and not everyone else,
Thats my point... its everyone else that gives console developers and games companies their money... theres not enough of us to make it commercialy viable... let alone worth while...
no pointless add-ons, no
> connection at launch, no dvd at launch, these are all for the good
> of the GC,
Why? People in general love gadgets... people may buy a console because it comes with a DVD player, etc... so even if they get bored of playing games... they can still watch movies...
Japanese
> people think Shigsy is some gaming GOD,
One man may make great games... but a console requires MANY good-great developers to make it worth buying...
and they love NINTENDO, the
> US also is where Nintendo does brilliantly, if you are saying that
Not as much as you think if sales are anything to go by?
> the PS2 will beat the GC then think again, and I don;t think X BOX
> will simply because everyone will have to purchase 50 microsoft X
> BOX games for them to start to make a profit!
But if more people buy an XBox than a GC then it will have won... America is the biggest audience... and MS is VERY good at marketing to the audience... its also an American company which will appeal to the US...
> they sell at launch will lose the company 300 odd quid, also many
> companies are now backing down from the PS2 developing process, some
> have announced that after the current projects they will stop making
> games for the Sony machine,
But that doesnt mean there going to go to Nintendo... more likely move over to the XBox...
Watch what you say, I think you should think about it
> again.
Watch what I say... mmm ... I wonder why discussions are falling apart in this forum?
This has got to be a joke!!!!
The GC wont fail the Dreamcast failed as Sega doesn't have that much money.
Nintendo largly thanks to their Pokemon empire has BILLIONS and BILLIONS of dollers which apparently if the Gamecube, Gameboy advanced and the console after that fails Nintendo still have enougth money to continue making systems (it's true)
Nintendo's Gamecube will sell well look how many people want it and the PS2 and X-box will fail cause they are both crap.
The GC wont fail the Dreamcast failed as Sega doesn't have that much money.
Nintendo largly thanks to their Pokemon empire has BILLIONS and BILLIONS of dollers which apparently if the Gamecube, Gameboy advanced and the console after that fails Nintendo still have enougth money to continue making systems (it's true)
Nintendo's Gamecube will sell well look how many people want it and the PS2 and X-box will fail cause they are both crap.
Advertising is important... but the underdogs rule. :D
There isn't much to go for, surrounding the Gamecube, but once they start advertising it, IE E3 onwards. BAM. It will be wanted.
And we have the Pokemon base as well... that's quite a large percentage... :)
I don't care about Pokemon... if it makes money for Nintendo, so they can make better/more games, I'll support it.
There isn't much to go for, surrounding the Gamecube, but once they start advertising it, IE E3 onwards. BAM. It will be wanted.
And we have the Pokemon base as well... that's quite a large percentage... :)
I don't care about Pokemon... if it makes money for Nintendo, so they can make better/more games, I'll support it.
NO the dreamcast failed because it had failed in the past and people didn't give SEGA a second chance, the GC won't fail because it is being aimed at us and not everyone else, no pointless add-ons, no connection at launch, no dvd at launch, these are all for the good of the GC, the games are amazing and unlike SEGA Nintendo have the strongest support abroad compared to any other company, Japanese people think Shigsy is some gaming GOD, and they love NINTENDO, the US also is where Nintendo does brilliantly, if you are saying that the PS2 will beat the GC then think again, and I don;t think X BOX will simply because everyone will have to purchase 50 microsoft X BOX games for them to start to make a profit! and that every XBOX they sell at launch will lose the company 300 odd quid, also many companies are now backing down from the PS2 developing process, some have announced that after the current projects they will stop making games for the Sony machine, the great news for NIntendo is that most of the companies that left them at the birh of the 64 have now returned, and beacause the GC is the easiest to develop for in terms of programming NIntendo have the best support from SEGA, NAMCO, CAMCOM and recently EIDOS ( :P ) and Konami.
All these companies don't want to release too many games alongside the GC's launch titles as they will lose money and unlike SONY did NINTENDO will not force the companies to launch the games, they can be held back and released when the world is ready for them. Nintendo also have the great GamBoy Adv. and with this beautiful machine I can say that you are wrong with your prediction, Nintendo are going to be the company they once were, but not alone this time because they have help in all divisions, from the press to therre new best friend SEGA,
Watch what you say, I think you should think about it again.
All these companies don't want to release too many games alongside the GC's launch titles as they will lose money and unlike SONY did NINTENDO will not force the companies to launch the games, they can be held back and released when the world is ready for them. Nintendo also have the great GamBoy Adv. and with this beautiful machine I can say that you are wrong with your prediction, Nintendo are going to be the company they once were, but not alone this time because they have help in all divisions, from the press to therre new best friend SEGA,
Watch what you say, I think you should think about it again.
Look whatever crap you say it is not coming with a DVD player and it's only for games.
SNIPER wrote:
> Fine then if you want a DVD player buy one on it's own!
If you want
> gaming at it's best get the Gamecube!
How do you know? The GC hasnt been released yet?
Besides it doesnt matter what I would like... or what you would like... its what the majority would like that counts...
And the majority wont want the GC
> Fine then if you want a DVD player buy one on it's own!
If you want
> gaming at it's best get the Gamecube!
How do you know? The GC hasnt been released yet?
Besides it doesnt matter what I would like... or what you would like... its what the majority would like that counts...
And the majority wont want the GC
Fine then if you want a DVD player buy one on it's own!
If you want gaming at it's best get the Gamecube!
If you want gaming at it's best get the Gamecube!
er-no wrote:
good then, because those are the
> reasons its a success, read my winning topic about Nintendo!
Well... then your post is wrong...
No matter how good the games...
Or the spec of the system... People arnt buying the mchine... Then it will fail... and nobody is going to buy the GC, since Sony and Micorsoft are going to corner the Middle Ground market... which is the only market that makes console manufactuers any money
If you dont believe me just look at Wearing Hudsucker... erm... I mean the DreamCast
good then, because those are the
> reasons its a success, read my winning topic about Nintendo!
Well... then your post is wrong...
No matter how good the games...
Or the spec of the system... People arnt buying the mchine... Then it will fail... and nobody is going to buy the GC, since Sony and Micorsoft are going to corner the Middle Ground market... which is the only market that makes console manufactuers any money
If you dont believe me just look at Wearing Hudsucker... erm... I mean the DreamCast
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