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Thu 28/08/03 at 13:12
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"Hallelujah"
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Dont just post "yes" and leave, I do acctually want your veiws and opinions on this one.

OK, my reasons for this post are related to something we all want but dont have enough of (no not sex) £££, yup money, and how our goverment distributes it. Before we start, I DO realise we have a very stable ecomony, but I still think a few changes could be made.

Lets look at our underpayed for starters. Firefighters, Paramedics. The two are public servers, they SAVE lives for gods sake! I mean these people put there ass's on the line to save others. They are expected to save the day, even though they are up against prank calls and false alarms every day. Does our goverment reward them for their work? Does if F**k! Money wise they can barely support bills, let alone provide for a family! Fire fighters are forced to get second jobs and paraedics/nurses all work ALOT of overtime, just to provide for themselves when they dedicate themselves to others! They do deserve more and they shouldnt have to strike to get it.

Now them, tax. 40%. 40% of all you earn (depending on what you earn i know it can be lower) fair dues, every country has tax, even if our countries is a little steeper than most. Then we loose a further 17.5% on EVERYTHING we buy/sell. Indeed every country has this, granted we are a little steep. Petrol, BLIMEY! No country pays half as much as us! Fair dues, but here's the clever part! If the goverment raise the cost of petrol by lets say 2p. not much I hear you say, well no it ist. But now, EVERYTHING that is sold anywhere increases in price, because the amount it costs to get it to where it is has gone up, so to cover the companies losses the price must go up. Very well, but now the 17.5% they get form EVERYTHING is vaued as more, meaning more prophits. Think about that.

Now then, whenever a conversation is made about money these guys come into it, footballers. These people make a living from kicking a ball about, fair enough its a form of entertainment, but what a living they make! They make more in a year than most make in a life time, do they save lives? Do they worry about providing for there families? No.

Now, I'm not a racist, but I have to say immigrants. We get people sneaking in and illegally living here, they have our worries to, buit people who apply to leave a country for political reasons, are brought over here, given a house and help with there morgage so they can make a living for themselfs...hold on, what about me? I've lived hear all my life, I'm doing your schooling and further education to get qualifications to get a job and get by and this guy just gets it all handed to him on a plate? Dont treat one how you would'nt treat another!

Finally, houses. House prices are ridiculous. When I get a full time job, I'm going to need to find the money to afford a morgage after I've forked out however much I have to every month just to get by.

Now, I'm only a 16 year old boy, a kid, but I know already that when I get older, things are going to get alot tougher and theres nothing I can do but try my hardest.
Thu 28/08/03 at 14:27
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"Orbiting Uranus"
Posts: 5,665
Goatboy wrote:

> What about income tax, mot, road tax, council tax etc?

All of the above

:(
Thu 28/08/03 at 14:27
"Darkness, always"
Posts: 9,603
Mr Pínk wrote:
> Yes but do you have to provide for your family?

No, nor do I get all the related tax benefits assosciated with doing so.


> And is your job one included in the emergency services?

I bloody wish! Full time pay for part time work? yes please. I'd join the fire service tomorrow if I didn't think I had a future in financial services. I'd also have another job on the sides to max out my income pushing me into the £50,000 barrier, but of course only declare half my income, avoiding the punitive tax measures for doing so.

Oh, I'm sure our firefighters are honest good people that don't do that though....
Thu 28/08/03 at 14:24
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"118 118"
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Light, it is much easier to criticse someones opinion that to write your own. I would like to see your take on the whole of this.
Thu 28/08/03 at 14:23
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"118 118"
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I'll let you off because you brought The Ban Man into it.
Thu 28/08/03 at 14:23
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"Hallelujah"
Posts: 2,731
Insane Bartender wrote:
> Pay more tax than most people earn. But I'm left with more than
> enough to get by. Hence I don't endlessly whinge about taxes I'm not
> paying.

Yes but do you have to provide for your family?

And is your job one included in the emergency services?
Thu 28/08/03 at 14:21
"Darkness, always"
Posts: 9,603
Kyz wrote:
> Instead of voicing a clever comeback you bring swearing and violence
> into the discussion somehow. I really cannot find the relevence of
> that.

In the words of Antonio Banderas, "That's because you're stupid".
Thu 28/08/03 at 14:20
"Darkness, always"
Posts: 9,603
Mr Pínk wrote:
> Hey, I know I've got it good, I'm sayin people like you havent? So
> smack away.

Pay more tax than most people earn. But I'm left with more than enough to get by. Hence I don't endlessly whinge about taxes I'm not paying.
Thu 28/08/03 at 14:17
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"118 118"
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Light wrote:
> Seriously; are you really that ignorant? Do you honestly believe that
> immigrants are even in the top 10 problems that the UK is facing
> economically and socially? If so, why? What are your reasons, and
> what is the source of those reasons?

No I do not beleive that at all. I welcome people who come to our country for aid if their own country is in crisis and I think as a wealthy nation we should give them ou help. What I do not take kindly to is border jumpers who come to our country when there is no major problem with their own country and it annoys me that they are given free housing and money when english citizens are often reduced to begging. Surely that cannot be perceived as being fair?
Thu 28/08/03 at 14:14
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"Well hit on me..."
Posts: 1,169
Insane Bartender wrote:
> every
> time I hear some wánkér complaining about how hard life
> is when mummy and daddy are always there to soften life's blows, I
> want to smack them.

Hear hear Ib, i'm the only apprentice in this company who lives on my own (about 200 miles away from my parents).

The others are moaning about there parents making them pay £20 a week rent...

How I laugh I wish I was them.

No food bills
Low rent
No problems when an emergency arrives (i.e. my bike breaking down as it did yesterday)

Grrrr.
Thu 28/08/03 at 14:14
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"Hallelujah"
Posts: 2,731
I'm not BLAMING imigrants, but i do say they get a pretty cushy ride, infact maybe I should go to A foriegn country, commit a crime and then seek aslyum here, it'd get my the house and morgage help!

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