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Thu 28/08/03 at 13:12
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"Hallelujah"
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Dont just post "yes" and leave, I do acctually want your veiws and opinions on this one.

OK, my reasons for this post are related to something we all want but dont have enough of (no not sex) £££, yup money, and how our goverment distributes it. Before we start, I DO realise we have a very stable ecomony, but I still think a few changes could be made.

Lets look at our underpayed for starters. Firefighters, Paramedics. The two are public servers, they SAVE lives for gods sake! I mean these people put there ass's on the line to save others. They are expected to save the day, even though they are up against prank calls and false alarms every day. Does our goverment reward them for their work? Does if F**k! Money wise they can barely support bills, let alone provide for a family! Fire fighters are forced to get second jobs and paraedics/nurses all work ALOT of overtime, just to provide for themselves when they dedicate themselves to others! They do deserve more and they shouldnt have to strike to get it.

Now them, tax. 40%. 40% of all you earn (depending on what you earn i know it can be lower) fair dues, every country has tax, even if our countries is a little steeper than most. Then we loose a further 17.5% on EVERYTHING we buy/sell. Indeed every country has this, granted we are a little steep. Petrol, BLIMEY! No country pays half as much as us! Fair dues, but here's the clever part! If the goverment raise the cost of petrol by lets say 2p. not much I hear you say, well no it ist. But now, EVERYTHING that is sold anywhere increases in price, because the amount it costs to get it to where it is has gone up, so to cover the companies losses the price must go up. Very well, but now the 17.5% they get form EVERYTHING is vaued as more, meaning more prophits. Think about that.

Now then, whenever a conversation is made about money these guys come into it, footballers. These people make a living from kicking a ball about, fair enough its a form of entertainment, but what a living they make! They make more in a year than most make in a life time, do they save lives? Do they worry about providing for there families? No.

Now, I'm not a racist, but I have to say immigrants. We get people sneaking in and illegally living here, they have our worries to, buit people who apply to leave a country for political reasons, are brought over here, given a house and help with there morgage so they can make a living for themselfs...hold on, what about me? I've lived hear all my life, I'm doing your schooling and further education to get qualifications to get a job and get by and this guy just gets it all handed to him on a plate? Dont treat one how you would'nt treat another!

Finally, houses. House prices are ridiculous. When I get a full time job, I'm going to need to find the money to afford a morgage after I've forked out however much I have to every month just to get by.

Now, I'm only a 16 year old boy, a kid, but I know already that when I get older, things are going to get alot tougher and theres nothing I can do but try my hardest.
Thu 28/08/03 at 14:41
"Darkness, always"
Posts: 9,603
Kyz wrote:
> WHY CANT YOU SEE THAT YOU SHOULD BE GIVEN PAY BENEFITS FOR GOING INTO
> DANGEROUS SITUATIONS EVERY DAY!?

WHY CAN'T YOU SEE THAT THE FIREFIGHTERS ARE MADE WELL AWARE OF WHAT THE JOB PAYS BEFORE THEY SIGNED UP, AND THAT IF THE PAY WEREN'T ENOUGH, PEOPLE WOULDN'T DO IT TO START WITH?

Demand and supply determine wages, there are more than enough people willing to be firefighters at the wage they get now, so why should they get more?
Thu 28/08/03 at 14:40
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"118 118"
Posts: 1,126
IB & Ros, sarcasm is a concept you have yet to master.

Unbeleiver - the army pays pretty good doesn't it?
Thu 28/08/03 at 14:38
Regular
"Brownium Motion"
Posts: 4,100
Unbeliever wrote:
> What? Like the army?

Oops. That was directed at Kyz.
Thu 28/08/03 at 14:38
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"Orbiting Uranus"
Posts: 5,665
Kyz wrote:
> The notables are grouping together.

This is exactly the sort of attitude that I was talking about in the other thread. I am not grouping with anyone. I'm expressing my views, and trying to show Mr. Pink that running the government has to be about compromise, and must be a difficult job.
Thu 28/08/03 at 14:37
"Darkness, always"
Posts: 9,603
Kyz wrote:
> From what I have heard, most jobs pay better than sweeping up in
> Tesco's

I don't know any that do so. Many do other physical labour jobs, which pay handsomely.
Thu 28/08/03 at 14:37
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"Brownium Motion"
Posts: 4,100
What? Like the army?
Thu 28/08/03 at 14:37
"Darkness, always"
Posts: 9,603
Mr Pínk wrote:
> I see, and if something where to explode, that would be a firemans
> carelessness that led to it?

If they're standing next to something when it explodes, yes. There is nothing that says firefighters have to put themselves at that level of risk to save people they do so because they like to be the heroes.

When they demand more money to be heroes, they cease to be heroes and instead become mercenaries.
Thu 28/08/03 at 14:37
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"118 118"
Posts: 1,126
Insane Bartender wrote:
> Mr Pínk wrote:
> Its not really part time, it takes up alot of your life and risks it
> everyday. For the saving of others lives they should be rewarded.
>
> That's why many firefighters have second jobs and earn far moer than
> I do?

From what I have heard, most jobs pay better than sweeping up in Tesco's
Thu 28/08/03 at 14:36
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"118 118"
Posts: 1,126
The notables are grouping together.

WHY CANT YOU SEE THAT YOU SHOULD BE GIVEN PAY BENEFITS FOR GOING INTO DANGEROUS SITUATIONS EVERY DAY!?
Thu 28/08/03 at 14:35
"Darkness, always"
Posts: 9,603
Mr Pínk wrote:
> Its not really part time, it takes up alot of your life and risks it
> everyday. For the saving of others lives they should be rewarded.

That's why many firefighters have second jobs and earn far moer than I do?

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