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Mon 16/12/02 at 13:47
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This is a call for my fellow tripods to stand up and claim their dignity back.
For too long we've been cast as the villains. Male dominated workplaces, pubs etc. Then the tide turned and females rose to prominance.
This is cool, I have no problem with that. Except when it's at the expense of male pride of the idea of maleness.

We have lost our way. Or as Tyler Durden puts it in Fight Club, "We are a generation of men raised by women, I'm thinking is another woman the answer".
This is not an anti-woman post before you all start throwing estrogen grenades at me or shrieking like angry chickens.
This is me saying that man have lost their identity, pride, dignity and balls. And it's time to take them back.
You doubt that we're seen as a floundering, clueless emasculated gender?
TV commercials. We're seen as incompetant at housework, useless at social functions and utterly lost. Blokes in dresses advertising kitchen-tissue,a bloke licking a trail of beer around the house to get him to clean up only to fall asleep when she pours it on herself?

And you men know what I'm talking about.
Ever wanted to hang out with mates but you're spending "quality time" together so you don't do that?
I used to, I know this. Staying at girlfriend's over the weekend, used to come back Sunday afternoon to meet mates and play video games. Did I tell her this? No.
Why not? Because she had my balls in her purse. And deep down you know you've done the same. You've kept quiet for an "easy life", passed up being with males to keep her happy. Yet she'll quite cheerfully go out with her mates, or have them over for the evening and you're expected to sit outside the room.
But when you do that, she gets moody right?

It's time to claim your pride back.
All these little books you can buy - for women. "Women are from Mars, Men are From Sperm", "Little book of calm" blah blah blah. Trite nonsense designed to meet certain emotional needs.
Blokes, how many times have you heard this:
"So and so at work is bugging me"
"I'll smash his face off for you"
"No, I dont want you to fix it, I just want to moan"
That's the fundemental difference here, we hear the woman has a problem,we want to fix it.
It's primal, the protector instinct. But it's been bred out of us, we've become domesticated household pets.
We have become this prissy little appendages good for mocking when they're at work (and she *does* moan about you, I promise) and her female mates all cluck and nod in sympathy.

"New Man" - a media myth that we bought. We fell for it hook, line and sinker. We started to think about "our emotions" and lost the plot. Sensitive, weepy new-age men that "understand your pain" and write poems about how hard life is.
I'm not saying we should be insensitive chauvenist pigs. I'm saying you shouldn't be afraid to say "I'm seeing my mates this weekend, sorry".
Or instead of dragging round the shops in woeful misery, say "Nope" and pick her up afterwards.
Blokes dont enjoy shopping m'kay? We know what we want before we leave, we go straight there, buy it and leave. No traipsing around Lakeside for 5hrs just browsing.
But you'll see herds of lost, sad men in Debenhams/John Lewis carrying the bags. We see another male and nod in recognition before wandering around exhaling slowly and thinking about how to get past the boss on that game.
They know this, some stores now have "creches" for men with magazines and tv. They're called "creches". You see how this is working?
We're helpless infants still needing "mum" to help us.

Well balls to that.
I'm a bloke. I smoke, I like porn. I like playing video-games, I like seeing my mates. I like playing my drums (no women at rehearsals, that's Gospel). And I'll be damned if I ever surrender my identity or happiness for the sake of a girlfriend.
That's not to say I treat it like warfare, I just set it out from the start.
I wont do dinner parties, I wont do IKEA on a Sunday looking for lampshades. And you know why? Because blokes dont care about that crap.
My 1st flat, me and a mate. There were movie posters, a Scooby Doo print and ONE plant - bought by a parent.

And trust me, women are getting fed up with blokes acting like ball-less little wimpy men.
You doubt that? Go find a woman and ask her if she saw "Gladiator".
She'll nod and make a comment about Russel Crowe. Why? Because he was nails-hard, fought for her honour/vengeance and she knows she'd be safe out with him.
Take your new-age, simpering wimpering little ideas of what a man should be and cram them.

I'm a bloke and I refuse to shuffle around in a woman-enforced idea of who I am and how I behave.
Men - take back your pride and dignity and stand up for yourselves. It's genetic, it's primal. We're hunter/gatherers, not sympathetic whiney men that take candle-lit baths *unless* you ask us and we're gonna get laid afterwards.

Be proud of being a bloke for chrissakes before we're in a museum.
Chris Martin? New-age fairy man that women think are "sweet"
Maximus? Old school bloke that women want to hump silly and try to tame.

And if you still need proof, ever heard this?
"You're like my brother"
"I really like you as a mate"
"You're sweet, I feel I can tell you anything"

That means you blew it Conan, you ain't ever seeing her naked. Which is the ultimate goal of every bloke here when talking to a woman in a social situation that isn't
(a) Related to you
(b) A minger
(c) Illegally young

Fact: If you're in a pub/club etc and a bloke comes over and starts to tell you how interested he is in you as a person blah blah, he's exactly the same as the bloke that comes over and says "Alright darling, is that a ladder in your tights or a stairway to heaven?"

Men, it's time to make your choice.
Nice, polite, understanding Coldplay type bloke that is a "good mate" and will end up being cheated on because "He's nice but boring" or the type of bloke that women want to "tame"?
It's the challenge they like, to be able to think they broke you like a pony and now you're "theirs".

Be a bloke - dont be a p****-whipped crybaby.
Tue 17/12/02 at 22:14
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"Infantalised Forums"
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Blast it, wrong thread for this reply.
(cut n paste to put in in Belldandy's "Why Bother" post)

My response in here was an amused chuckle, because the gist of my male manifesto wasn't to criticise women at all - but to criticise us men for losing sight of things.

Ironic really
Tue 17/12/02 at 22:12
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"Infantalised Forums"
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I think the Life forum is perhaps the best one here.
For the simple fact that you *do* get threads of people arguing with each other.
Ok, so when it degenerates into dull name-calling then I tune out, but even if it's just A and B discussing ideas then maybe one of them might see it from a different view?

Ultimately there's no point, but then what's the point of being on this planet anyway? The gathering of knowledge, exhange of views and the chance to interact with other people on a level that stimulates.
I rarely get involved with political discussions or religious ones for the simple fact that people have ideas and rarely are willing to concede that they may not be correct. Be that yourself Bell, me, Light or any other number of people.

I'll discuss quite happily, but when it's just two people prodding each other in the chest saying "No, YOU'RE wrong" "No, YOU are" then that's boring.
However, I've discussed faith and belief with Flanders on an excellent level. I don't agree with his views and he doesn't with mine, but we're both willing to sit and extend the courtesy of listening and trying to view it from opposing sides.

I'll discuss until the cows come home.
I won't argue because at the end of the day, arguing on an internet forum is a silly thing.
But fun.
Tue 17/12/02 at 18:39
"+ suspicious minds"
Posts: 1,842
b0llo
Tue 17/12/02 at 17:42
"Darth Vader 3442321"
Posts: 4,031
"thats a bit of an opposite spectrum veiw. your giving the steriotyphical version of women, stupid and trained to clean/cook/act arousingly lesbionic. not all women are like that. VERY few men are of einstien. ther are such women as Mary curie(sp?) and florence nighting gale. In fact, It was Harder for women to BE clever In those days, nevermind express themself intellegently."

Women have had ample time recently to come up with groundbreaking ideas, so far they've collectively managed to come up with the wonderbra. Brilliant, another "cloak of deception" to mislead blokes.

I have full respect for Marie Curie (she was a great scientist and human being) but you only have to look at the Watson and Crick disovery of the double helix, to see why blokes are the better scientists. Their female rival decided to take a sensible, staid, logical approach to looking at possible arrangments of the helix configuration (and all that this involves), taking each step at a time and undertaking considerable "donkey work". The lads just bowled straight into their work guided by their own intuition and lo and behold they used their superior brains to arrive at an outcome well ahead of ms Logical. Hence why Watson and Crick are well known and respected and I don't know who the bird was.

IN SUMMARY

We have imagination, the most important quality a scientist needs, women don't.

"What a load of crap. This is Sexism at its finest. There is nothing like warped logic to twist an argument in your favour."

Hold on! Illogical arguments are the little ladie's domain, I do apologise.
Tue 17/12/02 at 12:57
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"Orbiting Uranus"
Posts: 5,665
Mystique wrote:

> Maximus. Hell yeah. Don't want no pansy-ass girlboy.

Somehow I knew Mystique would go for that option :D

Its a good job you didn't make your bet on her Goatboy.
Tue 17/12/02 at 10:08
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"Back from the dead!"
Posts: 4,615
I really wished I had been here for this one.

Damn going home!

No, hang on, not damn at all!

my brain hurts.
Tue 17/12/02 at 08:40
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"Orbiting Uranus"
Posts: 5,665
The sagacious one wrote:

> We gave the world Einstein they give us the Cheeky Girls.
>
> Theory of Relativity vs the lyrics "touch my bum".
>
> Says it all really.

What a load of crap. This is Sexism at its finest. There is nothing like warped logic to twist an argument in your favour.
Mon 16/12/02 at 23:44
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"Infantalised Forums"
Posts: 23,089
Ant wrote:
> Maybe some of us don't want to go round being hard, getting drunk and
> getting in fights with people all the time...

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It's got nothing to do with drinking and fighting at all.
It's about not pansying out of doing what you want to and behaving how you would normally behave simply because you're with a woman.
And I promise that every single bloke on this planet has done that.
Myself included.

For a while.
Mon 16/12/02 at 21:43
"+ suspicious minds"
Posts: 1,842
The sagacious one wrote:
> "Women are from Mars, Men are From Sperm"
>
> Nice one.
>
> Without wishing to appear sycophantic, I have to agree (again for the
> umpteenth post) that Goatboy is absolutely correct. My mate can
> testify to this as he has had an Ikea to Ibiza conversion after
> leaving his girl.
>
> We gave the world Einstein they give us the Cheeky Girls.
>
> Theory of Relativity vs the lyrics "touch my bum".
>
> Says it all really.

thats a bit of an opposite spectrum veiw. your giving the steriotyphical version of women, stupid and trained to clean/cook/act arousingly lesbionic. not all women are like that. VERY few men are of einstien. ther are such women as Mary curie(sp?) and florence nighting gale. In fact, It was Harder for women to BE clever In those days, nevermind express themself intellegently.

although I wouldn't mind if they all had the mentallty the cheeky girls appear to have...mmmmh...
Mon 16/12/02 at 20:05
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Posts: 18,775
Goatboy wrote:
> Chris Martin. He'll write you a song about how lovely you are and sit
> up until 5am talking about love and his feelings and stuff
>
> Maximus. He's muddy and bloody, looking at you like he'll consider
> letting you undress before he has his way. He gives you the
> "Father to a murdered wife" speech as he crosses the room,
> shedding his armour.
>
> Which one?
*****
Maximus. Hell yeah. Don't want no pansy-ass girlboy.

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