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Mon 16/12/02 at 13:47
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This is a call for my fellow tripods to stand up and claim their dignity back.
For too long we've been cast as the villains. Male dominated workplaces, pubs etc. Then the tide turned and females rose to prominance.
This is cool, I have no problem with that. Except when it's at the expense of male pride of the idea of maleness.

We have lost our way. Or as Tyler Durden puts it in Fight Club, "We are a generation of men raised by women, I'm thinking is another woman the answer".
This is not an anti-woman post before you all start throwing estrogen grenades at me or shrieking like angry chickens.
This is me saying that man have lost their identity, pride, dignity and balls. And it's time to take them back.
You doubt that we're seen as a floundering, clueless emasculated gender?
TV commercials. We're seen as incompetant at housework, useless at social functions and utterly lost. Blokes in dresses advertising kitchen-tissue,a bloke licking a trail of beer around the house to get him to clean up only to fall asleep when she pours it on herself?

And you men know what I'm talking about.
Ever wanted to hang out with mates but you're spending "quality time" together so you don't do that?
I used to, I know this. Staying at girlfriend's over the weekend, used to come back Sunday afternoon to meet mates and play video games. Did I tell her this? No.
Why not? Because she had my balls in her purse. And deep down you know you've done the same. You've kept quiet for an "easy life", passed up being with males to keep her happy. Yet she'll quite cheerfully go out with her mates, or have them over for the evening and you're expected to sit outside the room.
But when you do that, she gets moody right?

It's time to claim your pride back.
All these little books you can buy - for women. "Women are from Mars, Men are From Sperm", "Little book of calm" blah blah blah. Trite nonsense designed to meet certain emotional needs.
Blokes, how many times have you heard this:
"So and so at work is bugging me"
"I'll smash his face off for you"
"No, I dont want you to fix it, I just want to moan"
That's the fundemental difference here, we hear the woman has a problem,we want to fix it.
It's primal, the protector instinct. But it's been bred out of us, we've become domesticated household pets.
We have become this prissy little appendages good for mocking when they're at work (and she *does* moan about you, I promise) and her female mates all cluck and nod in sympathy.

"New Man" - a media myth that we bought. We fell for it hook, line and sinker. We started to think about "our emotions" and lost the plot. Sensitive, weepy new-age men that "understand your pain" and write poems about how hard life is.
I'm not saying we should be insensitive chauvenist pigs. I'm saying you shouldn't be afraid to say "I'm seeing my mates this weekend, sorry".
Or instead of dragging round the shops in woeful misery, say "Nope" and pick her up afterwards.
Blokes dont enjoy shopping m'kay? We know what we want before we leave, we go straight there, buy it and leave. No traipsing around Lakeside for 5hrs just browsing.
But you'll see herds of lost, sad men in Debenhams/John Lewis carrying the bags. We see another male and nod in recognition before wandering around exhaling slowly and thinking about how to get past the boss on that game.
They know this, some stores now have "creches" for men with magazines and tv. They're called "creches". You see how this is working?
We're helpless infants still needing "mum" to help us.

Well balls to that.
I'm a bloke. I smoke, I like porn. I like playing video-games, I like seeing my mates. I like playing my drums (no women at rehearsals, that's Gospel). And I'll be damned if I ever surrender my identity or happiness for the sake of a girlfriend.
That's not to say I treat it like warfare, I just set it out from the start.
I wont do dinner parties, I wont do IKEA on a Sunday looking for lampshades. And you know why? Because blokes dont care about that crap.
My 1st flat, me and a mate. There were movie posters, a Scooby Doo print and ONE plant - bought by a parent.

And trust me, women are getting fed up with blokes acting like ball-less little wimpy men.
You doubt that? Go find a woman and ask her if she saw "Gladiator".
She'll nod and make a comment about Russel Crowe. Why? Because he was nails-hard, fought for her honour/vengeance and she knows she'd be safe out with him.
Take your new-age, simpering wimpering little ideas of what a man should be and cram them.

I'm a bloke and I refuse to shuffle around in a woman-enforced idea of who I am and how I behave.
Men - take back your pride and dignity and stand up for yourselves. It's genetic, it's primal. We're hunter/gatherers, not sympathetic whiney men that take candle-lit baths *unless* you ask us and we're gonna get laid afterwards.

Be proud of being a bloke for chrissakes before we're in a museum.
Chris Martin? New-age fairy man that women think are "sweet"
Maximus? Old school bloke that women want to hump silly and try to tame.

And if you still need proof, ever heard this?
"You're like my brother"
"I really like you as a mate"
"You're sweet, I feel I can tell you anything"

That means you blew it Conan, you ain't ever seeing her naked. Which is the ultimate goal of every bloke here when talking to a woman in a social situation that isn't
(a) Related to you
(b) A minger
(c) Illegally young

Fact: If you're in a pub/club etc and a bloke comes over and starts to tell you how interested he is in you as a person blah blah, he's exactly the same as the bloke that comes over and says "Alright darling, is that a ladder in your tights or a stairway to heaven?"

Men, it's time to make your choice.
Nice, polite, understanding Coldplay type bloke that is a "good mate" and will end up being cheated on because "He's nice but boring" or the type of bloke that women want to "tame"?
It's the challenge they like, to be able to think they broke you like a pony and now you're "theirs".

Be a bloke - dont be a p****-whipped crybaby.
Mon 16/12/02 at 16:16
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Why?
I asked a question, you answered.
Simple. No strings attached, no hidden agendas. Ok, so it was crass to admit I put money on the response but I'm somewhat notorious for not thinking before mouth working.

Email me, I'll explain why I'm asking this stuff.
Mon 16/12/02 at 16:15
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"Orbiting Uranus"
Posts: 5,665
Still. I feel manipulated.
Mon 16/12/02 at 16:13
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Rosalind wrote:
> I'm slowly losing this one.
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You're losing nothing, it's not a contest and I'm not trying to get one over on you.
I was interested in how women would respond to that question.
And out of the 10 blokes I said "One night. Kylie Minogue is horny and at your door. Or Lisa Tarbuck, who's funny and feisty and has a brain and will make you laugh all night long"?

8 said Kylie, 1 said Lisa Tarbuck "because I like large women" and the other said "Maximus. I'm gay remember?"
No hesitation, no justification, no reasons offered or thought about relationships.
Mon 16/12/02 at 16:08
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Not a trap Ros.
I needed your answer and it's exactly the same as 5 other women.

No right or wrong answer at all, just interesting to see how you all responded.
Mon 16/12/02 at 16:08
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"Orbiting Uranus"
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Goatboy wrote:
> And what's interesting about your response is the "I wouldnt want
> a relationship with either".
>
> The question was "For one night".

I wrote:

If I has to choose one of them to have sex with then I guess it would be the second one, because If you have to have a one night stand then you don't want feelings and stuff. But thats for a one night stand not a long term relationship. i wouldn't want a relasionship with either.

I answered your question first. I might have added some extra info after but hey, who cares.

I'm slowly losing this one.
Mon 16/12/02 at 16:06
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"Orbiting Uranus"
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I knew it was a trap. It just wasn't the trap that I expected.
Mon 16/12/02 at 16:05
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And what's interesting about your response is the "I wouldnt want a relationship with either".

The question was "For one night".

I'm not just being faecitious here, this is for a reason. Dont get arsey, your replies are honestly helpful.
Mon 16/12/02 at 16:02
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Yup.

Goatboy "She wont answer, or if she does it'll be an answer with why she chose the one she did, but even then will indicate her unhappiness with the question and her moral objections"

Goatboy's colleague "No, she'll just say one or the other"

Goatboy "Nope. I'll put money on it"

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Not a criticism of your good self Ros, you answered in the same way 5 of the women I work with did.
Except for one in my office who said "Maximus. He wouldn't even make it across the room before I landed on him"

Strangely, despite various "I wouldnt anyway" clauses offered, not one person said they'd go for the emotional, new-agey man in touch with his emotions.
Which is odd, seeing as all those little polls and surveys tell us you want that.
Mon 16/12/02 at 15:55
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Goatboy wrote:

> Nope.
> You've just won me £5!

You made a bet on my answer :S
Mon 16/12/02 at 15:48
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Rosalind wrote:
> Sorry, did you want an uncomplicated answer?

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Nope.
You've just won me £5!

Male answer if question was reversed with female examples?

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