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"The results of the largest survey of gamers this year has revealed that Xbox is the top console of choice this Christmas.
Over 12,000 US gamers were asked, "What console do you plan to buy in the coming year?" and 39 percent answered Xbox! 27 percent answered PlayStation 2, and 17 percent plan to pick up a GameCube.
The study also showed that game demos are the most influence over game purchase decisions. When asked "Which of these items highly influence your game purchase decisions?" nearly 8 out of 10 respondents (78%) ranked game demos the number 1 factor, far ahead of the number 2 response: game reviews (47%). Both television commercials (35%) and magazine ads (31%) trailed furthest behind as drivers."
Not bad eh?
"The results of the largest survey of gamers this year has revealed that Xbox is the top console of choice this Christmas.
Over 12,000 US gamers were asked, "What console do you plan to buy in the coming year?" and 39 percent answered Xbox! 27 percent answered PlayStation 2, and 17 percent plan to pick up a GameCube.
The study also showed that game demos are the most influence over game purchase decisions. When asked "Which of these items highly influence your game purchase decisions?" nearly 8 out of 10 respondents (78%) ranked game demos the number 1 factor, far ahead of the number 2 response: game reviews (47%). Both television commercials (35%) and magazine ads (31%) trailed furthest behind as drivers."
Not bad eh?
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garbe123 wrote:
> and as we know the Xbox gets best
> Multi-platform games.
For the last time, that isn't true! They're the same! Unless they're ported to a console later on then they may have been updated, but games released at the same time will be identical, thats how multi-platform games work.
> and as we know the Xbox gets best
> Multi-platform games.
For the last time, that isn't true! They're the same! Unless they're ported to a console later on then they may have been updated, but games released at the same time will be identical, thats how multi-platform games work.
Didn't I just say that I do avoid it? I am sure I did :)
Whether or not you think the PS2 is a good console is a matter of opinion, but I just didn't like it, like you I felt ripped off at paying over £350 for a console with 3 games and a memory card. You are saying that I aviod that it is down to opinion yet you then go onto say that the console must be good due to sales.
I will tell you now, I moved schools back in the easter of last year! I went from a very rough comp to a private school so that I could get my head down and concentrate on getting the grades I will need! I am still friends with the ones from the comp but they aren't into gaming they have many other interests. My friends at the private school are pretty big on gaming and I know 11 of them that own consoles. You may only have a couple of friends but I have quite a lot, most aren't interested but the few that are were explained in the previous paragraph, DO YOU UNDERSTAND?
There was no need to start getting angry, I can't believe I am sat here tying to help you our and yet you are being a fool about it! If you didn't know what Amped was about then how was I supposed to know that you knew what other games were coming out, it was only a suggestion but I aren't bothering in future!
The Getaway has been rumoured to be coming to the PC next year so I will get it then. Tomb Radier Angel of Darkness is also on PC so I will pick it up there as well, I own all PSONE version of Tomb Raiders and to be honest they bore me. GTA Vice City will be very good but as with GTA 3 it will come to the PC and it is apparently already in development for it, once more I will get it there. I had Devil May Cry on pre-order for 2 months and receieved it for christmas last year, I didn't like the game one bit and despite spending a lot of time getting into it, the repetitive hack and slash bored me to death! The boss fights were brilliant and some of the best I have ever played but the rest of the game was boring so to me it won't be a AAA title. Onimusha 2 is coming to the Xbox soon after according to Capcom! The Thing is out on Xbox as well and as we know the Xbox gets best Multi-platform games. Chase on the Xbox is a strong challenger to Stuntman according to reviews so I will get that instead :) Oh and by the way, I am getting a GameCube with Resident Evil :)
If you like Stuntman I take it you will be getting Chase on the Xbox then? Or does this have a problem as well?
I can't belive you have the cheek to have a go at me when all I was doing was trying my best to give you a solution to your Xbox problem! I am coming to the end of the line when it comes to patience with you, I am seriously trying to help you out and I am doing this because I thought you were OK, but to be honest I can't understand why! I admitted my fault yet you bi-passed it and used it against me again, I can't do anything right in your eyes and I am sick of trying to help you out and gettiing nothing in terms of positive feed-back! I give up, I don't usually give up on things I like to succeed in a task! I think it is about time you moved on from my first post in this forum by now, grow up Wookie and meet me half way on this one!
Whether or not you think the PS2 is a good console is a matter of opinion, but I just didn't like it, like you I felt ripped off at paying over £350 for a console with 3 games and a memory card. You are saying that I aviod that it is down to opinion yet you then go onto say that the console must be good due to sales.
I will tell you now, I moved schools back in the easter of last year! I went from a very rough comp to a private school so that I could get my head down and concentrate on getting the grades I will need! I am still friends with the ones from the comp but they aren't into gaming they have many other interests. My friends at the private school are pretty big on gaming and I know 11 of them that own consoles. You may only have a couple of friends but I have quite a lot, most aren't interested but the few that are were explained in the previous paragraph, DO YOU UNDERSTAND?
There was no need to start getting angry, I can't believe I am sat here tying to help you our and yet you are being a fool about it! If you didn't know what Amped was about then how was I supposed to know that you knew what other games were coming out, it was only a suggestion but I aren't bothering in future!
The Getaway has been rumoured to be coming to the PC next year so I will get it then. Tomb Radier Angel of Darkness is also on PC so I will pick it up there as well, I own all PSONE version of Tomb Raiders and to be honest they bore me. GTA Vice City will be very good but as with GTA 3 it will come to the PC and it is apparently already in development for it, once more I will get it there. I had Devil May Cry on pre-order for 2 months and receieved it for christmas last year, I didn't like the game one bit and despite spending a lot of time getting into it, the repetitive hack and slash bored me to death! The boss fights were brilliant and some of the best I have ever played but the rest of the game was boring so to me it won't be a AAA title. Onimusha 2 is coming to the Xbox soon after according to Capcom! The Thing is out on Xbox as well and as we know the Xbox gets best Multi-platform games. Chase on the Xbox is a strong challenger to Stuntman according to reviews so I will get that instead :) Oh and by the way, I am getting a GameCube with Resident Evil :)
If you like Stuntman I take it you will be getting Chase on the Xbox then? Or does this have a problem as well?
I can't belive you have the cheek to have a go at me when all I was doing was trying my best to give you a solution to your Xbox problem! I am coming to the end of the line when it comes to patience with you, I am seriously trying to help you out and I am doing this because I thought you were OK, but to be honest I can't understand why! I admitted my fault yet you bi-passed it and used it against me again, I can't do anything right in your eyes and I am sick of trying to help you out and gettiing nothing in terms of positive feed-back! I give up, I don't usually give up on things I like to succeed in a task! I think it is about time you moved on from my first post in this forum by now, grow up Wookie and meet me half way on this one!
WòókieeMøn§†€® wrote:
> garbe123 wrote:
> The PS2 doesn't hold a candle to the class of the Dreamcast, but as
> usuall people trust what the people at Sony promised
>
> Let's get this straight. Bad consoles do not obtain multi-million
> unit sales. Word of mouth and good games sell consoles. Even if it
> were true that all those of us who bought PS2 at launch were duped by
> Sony, how do you explain continuing multi-million sales?
>
And this is futher proved with the Dreamcast. The Saturn *was* the worst console ever from the 'modern' companies (Nintendo, SEGA, Sony and Microsoft), so what happened? The people who had one told everyone else that it was crap. So when the Dreamcast came out, hardly anyone bought one. Developers knew how badly the Saturn failed, so not many companies made games for it either, which ultimatly led to it's demise.
Wookie is right, the PS2 can't be a bad 'console' because otherwise people would have stopped buying it. With the X-box however, unlike with Nintendo, the lack of decent games after the first month meant many owners and owners to be began to 'bad mouth' the console when they talked about it with other people, which is one of the reason sales have been so bad.
But with Nintendo being a long standing company in the console business, owners still trust them and look forward to large amount of brilliant games coming out soon, although there is already at least 15 *must have* games. Which most people would agree is more than the X-box.
> garbe123 wrote:
> The PS2 doesn't hold a candle to the class of the Dreamcast, but as
> usuall people trust what the people at Sony promised
>
> Let's get this straight. Bad consoles do not obtain multi-million
> unit sales. Word of mouth and good games sell consoles. Even if it
> were true that all those of us who bought PS2 at launch were duped by
> Sony, how do you explain continuing multi-million sales?
>
And this is futher proved with the Dreamcast. The Saturn *was* the worst console ever from the 'modern' companies (Nintendo, SEGA, Sony and Microsoft), so what happened? The people who had one told everyone else that it was crap. So when the Dreamcast came out, hardly anyone bought one. Developers knew how badly the Saturn failed, so not many companies made games for it either, which ultimatly led to it's demise.
Wookie is right, the PS2 can't be a bad 'console' because otherwise people would have stopped buying it. With the X-box however, unlike with Nintendo, the lack of decent games after the first month meant many owners and owners to be began to 'bad mouth' the console when they talked about it with other people, which is one of the reason sales have been so bad.
But with Nintendo being a long standing company in the console business, owners still trust them and look forward to large amount of brilliant games coming out soon, although there is already at least 15 *must have* games. Which most people would agree is more than the X-box.
garbe123 wrote:
> Everyone on this forum (including me) avoids the fact that it all
> comes down to PERSONAL OPINION!
No, many of us have said that time and time again, but you always ignore it. I personally have said it many times.
All I've given is my opinion that we've had to wait far to long for more quality Xbox titles, and you repeatedly tell me I'm wrong.
> Everyone on this forum (including me) avoids the fact that it all
> comes down to PERSONAL OPINION!
No, many of us have said that time and time again, but you always ignore it. I personally have said it many times.
All I've given is my opinion that we've had to wait far to long for more quality Xbox titles, and you repeatedly tell me I'm wrong.
garbe123 wrote:
> The PS2 doesn't hold a candle to the class of the Dreamcast, but as
> usuall people trust what the people at Sony promised
Let's get this straight. Bad consoles do not obtain multi-million unit sales. Word of mouth and good games sell consoles. Even if it were true that all those of us who bought PS2 at launch were duped by Sony, how do you explain continuing multi-million sales?
Word of mouth makes or breaks something like a console. If the millions who bought at launch were disappointed, sales would not be continuing on a massive global scale three years after launch. People would know it was bad, and wouldn't buy it.
PS2 is a damn good console with damn good games, and THAT is why it continues to sell - no other reason. Most of the world does not own a console, it's true - but of those that do, the majority own a PlayStation. That's not because they were duped, brainwashed or any other feeble excuse you want to throw out. You may not agree with that, and that's fine - but accept that you are in a minority, and stop making excuses for it.
> 8 of my school friends who are into consoles all got PS2's and we all talked
> about the sub-standed quality of it, now none of them own a PS2! 6 of
> them have got GameCubes and 2 Xbox's
That's funny, you said your friends weren't into gaming!
I have friends who all have PS2s and having seen my Xbox and Gamecube in action, they don't want either. So what? Stop bringing friends into discussions and concentrate on what YOU think.
> the disappointement of nothnig to purchase was annoying and I had to sell!
Which is EXACTLY where I stand with the Xbox!
> Wookie, there is no point in me writing a big list of Xbox games again
> because it is a waste. Go to IGN and read previews of whats coming
> out
What does it take to get it through to you? I KNOW WHAT IS COMING. WHAT I'M ANNOYED ABOUT IS THE AMOUNT OF TIME WE'VE HAD TO WAIT.
> One last thing, if you think the Xbox is short on great games, what
> makes you want the PS2? Over hyped and Over rated, Tekken 4 is the
> only game out between now and chistmas that will be a AAA title,
Is it? Tekken 4 isn't a title I'm interested in. But there's The Getaway, Tomb Raider AoD, Ratchet & Clank, GTA Vice City, Devil May Cry 2, Onimusha 2, The Thing, Stuntman - and those are just the ones that appeal to me personally. And there's Resident Evil on the Gamecube. All this side of Xmas.
> doesn't that disappoint you as well?
Not in the slightest.
> You can't really quote Stuntman because Buffy has scored higher yet you
> are questioning that.
I believe I just did. So Buffy scored higher. I don't base my purchases on magazine scores, I base them on the game content - a score is just one person's opinion, but you need to read a few full reviews and apply the content of the game to what you know you like.
I've played a Stuntman demo, and I enjoyed it - so I'll buy it. I know its a linear game, but I like the subject so can accept the linearity. Just because one journalist couldn't deal with it is no reason for me not to enjoy it. Just the same way that because one journalist thought Halo was the best thing since sliced bread doesn't actually make it so.
With buffy, I saw an early demo, and was unimpressed. I have heard that aspect which concerned me have been rectified, but I will wait until I can test the final game before I buy it. Do you see a problem there?
> The PS2 doesn't hold a candle to the class of the Dreamcast, but as
> usuall people trust what the people at Sony promised
Let's get this straight. Bad consoles do not obtain multi-million unit sales. Word of mouth and good games sell consoles. Even if it were true that all those of us who bought PS2 at launch were duped by Sony, how do you explain continuing multi-million sales?
Word of mouth makes or breaks something like a console. If the millions who bought at launch were disappointed, sales would not be continuing on a massive global scale three years after launch. People would know it was bad, and wouldn't buy it.
PS2 is a damn good console with damn good games, and THAT is why it continues to sell - no other reason. Most of the world does not own a console, it's true - but of those that do, the majority own a PlayStation. That's not because they were duped, brainwashed or any other feeble excuse you want to throw out. You may not agree with that, and that's fine - but accept that you are in a minority, and stop making excuses for it.
> 8 of my school friends who are into consoles all got PS2's and we all talked
> about the sub-standed quality of it, now none of them own a PS2! 6 of
> them have got GameCubes and 2 Xbox's
That's funny, you said your friends weren't into gaming!
I have friends who all have PS2s and having seen my Xbox and Gamecube in action, they don't want either. So what? Stop bringing friends into discussions and concentrate on what YOU think.
> the disappointement of nothnig to purchase was annoying and I had to sell!
Which is EXACTLY where I stand with the Xbox!
> Wookie, there is no point in me writing a big list of Xbox games again
> because it is a waste. Go to IGN and read previews of whats coming
> out
What does it take to get it through to you? I KNOW WHAT IS COMING. WHAT I'M ANNOYED ABOUT IS THE AMOUNT OF TIME WE'VE HAD TO WAIT.
> One last thing, if you think the Xbox is short on great games, what
> makes you want the PS2? Over hyped and Over rated, Tekken 4 is the
> only game out between now and chistmas that will be a AAA title,
Is it? Tekken 4 isn't a title I'm interested in. But there's The Getaway, Tomb Raider AoD, Ratchet & Clank, GTA Vice City, Devil May Cry 2, Onimusha 2, The Thing, Stuntman - and those are just the ones that appeal to me personally. And there's Resident Evil on the Gamecube. All this side of Xmas.
> doesn't that disappoint you as well?
Not in the slightest.
> You can't really quote Stuntman because Buffy has scored higher yet you
> are questioning that.
I believe I just did. So Buffy scored higher. I don't base my purchases on magazine scores, I base them on the game content - a score is just one person's opinion, but you need to read a few full reviews and apply the content of the game to what you know you like.
I've played a Stuntman demo, and I enjoyed it - so I'll buy it. I know its a linear game, but I like the subject so can accept the linearity. Just because one journalist couldn't deal with it is no reason for me not to enjoy it. Just the same way that because one journalist thought Halo was the best thing since sliced bread doesn't actually make it so.
With buffy, I saw an early demo, and was unimpressed. I have heard that aspect which concerned me have been rectified, but I will wait until I can test the final game before I buy it. Do you see a problem there?
WòókieeMøn§†€® wrote:
>
>
> And now you're putting words in my mouth. I did not, and never have,
> said that Halo is a 3rd-rate game.
Oh thankgod you've said that, thats what Garbe does to me every time he replies to my posts.
>
>
> And now you're putting words in my mouth. I did not, and never have,
> said that Halo is a 3rd-rate game.
Oh thankgod you've said that, thats what Garbe does to me every time he replies to my posts.
Everyone on this forum (including me) avoids the fact that it all comes down to PERSONAL OPINION! As Nomad said, ones mans Gold is another mans silver, we will argue for ever on these forums until we actually face up to this. Wookie doesn't want Amped, yet I can't wait! One thing I did before buying an Xbox was research and compare with the GameCube to see which contained the most games which I really wanted, they are the titles I would describe as AAA. This isn't a go at Wookie as I respect his opinions, but I don't think he researched the Xbox fully, before getting one I knew all the major releases and when they were due out, that way I wouldn't be disappointed when I went without a game for a month as I knew that the next month there would be quite a few titles available.
Wookie could turn around to me and say, "well you sold your PS2 and complained so why can't I!?" I wouldn't take offense to this as I admit to jumping in to buying a PS2 quickly, the thoughts of playing MGS2 alone were enough to persuade me. As most if you will confirm, since joining these forums I have become more aware of other people's opinions and although I have from the start, I tended to do biased posts on the Xbox. I know that the Xbox isn't producing games at the moment, this is why I got a Dreamcast so that I could play some great titles in-between the summer drought. I am still purhasing launch titles and I am happy doing so, but others feel different about this and I can understand. One thing I would like to say is, just wait 2 more weeks and your problems will be solved :)
Wookie could turn around to me and say, "well you sold your PS2 and complained so why can't I!?" I wouldn't take offense to this as I admit to jumping in to buying a PS2 quickly, the thoughts of playing MGS2 alone were enough to persuade me. As most if you will confirm, since joining these forums I have become more aware of other people's opinions and although I have from the start, I tended to do biased posts on the Xbox. I know that the Xbox isn't producing games at the moment, this is why I got a Dreamcast so that I could play some great titles in-between the summer drought. I am still purhasing launch titles and I am happy doing so, but others feel different about this and I can understand. One thing I would like to say is, just wait 2 more weeks and your problems will be solved :)
WòókieeMøn§†€® wrote:
> What is a AAA title? A big name, that MOST people will want to buy.
*
One man's AAA title is another man's B+ title.
I mean, I'd rather play Mr Mosquito than GT3 - at least it's trying to be original.
> What is a AAA title? A big name, that MOST people will want to buy.
*
One man's AAA title is another man's B+ title.
I mean, I'd rather play Mr Mosquito than GT3 - at least it's trying to be original.
WòókieeMøn§†€® wrote:
> Tekken Tag, Ridge V and TimeSplitters were all launch AAA titles.
You mean the best of a bad bunch?
Tekken Tag and Ridge V were PS games with slightly tarted graphics.
Timesplitters was rushed and far from the Goldeneye beater it promised to be.
> What is a AAA title? A big name, that MOST people will want to buy.
I suppose it could mean that...
It's usually associated with the REALLY good games.
Ones that'll be remembered as true classics.
> Of course, the actual standard of AAA titles increases as time goes
> on, so none would be considered as such now.
Only many PSOne and N64 games were more inspired than the above mentioned PS2 ones...
Anyway, it matters little.
Because of the well earned reputation of the PSOne, the PS2 sold bucket loads anyway and the Dreamcast went out of production, leaving Sony with a market all to itself. The AAA titles later appeared, and the PS2 can now boast plenty of good titles.
The Gamecube and the Xbox won't have the same luck and NEED those titles.
Still, EVERY console had a summer drought (only most PS2 owners had a large back-catalogue to call upon) and I think all are getting their fair share of good releases.
> Tekken Tag, Ridge V and TimeSplitters were all launch AAA titles.
You mean the best of a bad bunch?
Tekken Tag and Ridge V were PS games with slightly tarted graphics.
Timesplitters was rushed and far from the Goldeneye beater it promised to be.
> What is a AAA title? A big name, that MOST people will want to buy.
I suppose it could mean that...
It's usually associated with the REALLY good games.
Ones that'll be remembered as true classics.
> Of course, the actual standard of AAA titles increases as time goes
> on, so none would be considered as such now.
Only many PSOne and N64 games were more inspired than the above mentioned PS2 ones...
Anyway, it matters little.
Because of the well earned reputation of the PSOne, the PS2 sold bucket loads anyway and the Dreamcast went out of production, leaving Sony with a market all to itself. The AAA titles later appeared, and the PS2 can now boast plenty of good titles.
The Gamecube and the Xbox won't have the same luck and NEED those titles.
Still, EVERY console had a summer drought (only most PS2 owners had a large back-catalogue to call upon) and I think all are getting their fair share of good releases.
WòókieeMøn§†€® wrote:
> Nomad Soul wrote:
> The "significant" XBOX titles are just around the corner.
>
> And they have been for months - that's my complaint - not about the
> machine, but the ridiculous amount of time we've had to wait.
But as I said before Wookie, if Microsoft and 3rd party developers had spread out the games across 4 months then we would have had 2-3 AAA titles a month, but as they were all released at once people are missing out on some. I am still buying the launch titles which you described as "3rd rate" yet everyone else finds them excellent, including me :D It is a long time since a AAA title was released, I agree, but as Nomad said, they are just around the corner but please read the previews as I suggested!
> Nomad Soul wrote:
> The "significant" XBOX titles are just around the corner.
>
> And they have been for months - that's my complaint - not about the
> machine, but the ridiculous amount of time we've had to wait.
But as I said before Wookie, if Microsoft and 3rd party developers had spread out the games across 4 months then we would have had 2-3 AAA titles a month, but as they were all released at once people are missing out on some. I am still buying the launch titles which you described as "3rd rate" yet everyone else finds them excellent, including me :D It is a long time since a AAA title was released, I agree, but as Nomad said, they are just around the corner but please read the previews as I suggested!
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