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Why oh why did Billy try and take on the Sony Mafia?? It was obvious from day one that the 'Black Suitcase' was money down the toilet! The head honcho's down at Microsoft should of known more that anyone that plastering London(where I live) with the XBox insignia was not going to fool the game-buying public?...Sony 4 Ever!!!!
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Once again try 700 posts back with the release lists! I don't find you funny and there for I don't see the joke >>>NO JOKE<<<
I may have said that before but I got so bored of replying to you that I stopped but once again you seem to start with what you call a >>>JOKE<<< but a joke is when 2 people can share something which is funny and unless others find:
Funny then I guess there is no joke. You must be thinking of me at the time to post it and as I say this isn't the first time I have seen you put:
Try to move on Wookie, as I say that was me 700 posts back but now if someones doesn't like the Xbox then good for them :)
I may have said that before but I got so bored of replying to you that I stopped but once again you seem to start with what you call a >>>JOKE<<< but a joke is when 2 people can share something which is funny and unless others find:
Funny then I guess there is no joke. You must be thinking of me at the time to post it and as I say this isn't the first time I have seen you put:
Try to move on Wookie, as I say that was me 700 posts back but now if someones doesn't like the Xbox then good for them :)
garbe123 wrote:
> Wookie can I just ask why you think I want to reply to your comments
> anymore than I do to other users?
I couldn't give a toss if you want to reply to my messages or not, quite frankly.
> You said "cue an Irate Garbe" yet to be honest I got bored of relplying
> to you about 700 posts back.
You've said that before and still replied - and here you are again! I made the comment because usually whenever there's a whiff of anything remotely negative about Xbox, you wade in with angry replies and a list of every Xbox game due for release between now and the end of the world!
It was intended as a semi-humorous throw-away comment borne of observation, not a plea for you to read and/or reply to my post. I'd hoped you'd see - if you read it - what was supposed to be the humour behind it, but obviously I wasn't aware of your humour bypass operation! I'll make sure to put >>>JOKE!!!<<< after anything similar in future, just to make it clear.
> I have looked around a few of your replies in FOG Chat and Xbox forum
> and quite a few mention me as if I mean something to you.
Whoa! Don't flatter yourself!
I think *most* other people here know my sense of humour now, and how to take it. But you seem to take things - and yourself - far too seriously. Lighten up!
I've told you a few times already, I don't have any problem with you. We have differing opinions, and that's fine. I have differences of opinion with several people here, and as far as I know, none of them seem to see it as a problem as you do.
> Try to drop it as you are becoming like a stuck record.
And your repeated posting of release lists isn't, of course. >>>JOKE!!!<<<
> Wookie can I just ask why you think I want to reply to your comments
> anymore than I do to other users?
I couldn't give a toss if you want to reply to my messages or not, quite frankly.
> You said "cue an Irate Garbe" yet to be honest I got bored of relplying
> to you about 700 posts back.
You've said that before and still replied - and here you are again! I made the comment because usually whenever there's a whiff of anything remotely negative about Xbox, you wade in with angry replies and a list of every Xbox game due for release between now and the end of the world!
It was intended as a semi-humorous throw-away comment borne of observation, not a plea for you to read and/or reply to my post. I'd hoped you'd see - if you read it - what was supposed to be the humour behind it, but obviously I wasn't aware of your humour bypass operation! I'll make sure to put >>>JOKE!!!<<< after anything similar in future, just to make it clear.
> I have looked around a few of your replies in FOG Chat and Xbox forum
> and quite a few mention me as if I mean something to you.
Whoa! Don't flatter yourself!
I think *most* other people here know my sense of humour now, and how to take it. But you seem to take things - and yourself - far too seriously. Lighten up!
I've told you a few times already, I don't have any problem with you. We have differing opinions, and that's fine. I have differences of opinion with several people here, and as far as I know, none of them seem to see it as a problem as you do.
> Try to drop it as you are becoming like a stuck record.
And your repeated posting of release lists isn't, of course. >>>JOKE!!!<<<
Savatt78 wrote:
> And how else could other companies enter the games industry nowadays?
> I don't see anyone having half a chance of establishing themselves if
> they tried to do it through making their own games.
I'm not against other companies getting into the industry, it's just when you're in it and using money to overpower and almost destroy brilliant companies (SEGA) that have made gaming what it is today, some people get a little annoyed. What if Microsoft do the same to Nintendo, by buying out crucial third parties like CAPCOM?
I never said it really bothered me, anyway. Yes, looking at Microsoft's power, I'm a little agitated, but nothing to worry about. It was just my theory.
> Of course its easy to see why you'd say that because with Sega being
> out of the picture now, Nintendo would be the dominating company with
> no competition. As soon as Rare went to Microsoft, I saw a few posts
> in the Ninty forum going on about how Nintendo should use their newly
> aquired cash to grab a developer like Sega - so I don't see how thats
> any different. Its basically a case of jealousy using this hard work
> ethic as an excuse. If Sony or Nintendo had the bank balance of
> Microsoft, I bet there wouldn't be one complaint from their fans about
> them using cash to buy the best developers, etc.
You really have quite little faith in people, don't you? I said that because it was my outlook on the situation, not because I think it's best for Nintendo to have complete control over the industry.
And personally, I can easily see the difference between Microsoft buying someone out, and Nintendo doing so. Microsoft are newcomers, and have so far given very little to the industry in terms of development and innovation. They've just used cash, and are buying companies out to succeed.
Nintendo, on the other hand, basically are the Gods of Gaming. They've invented about half of the things we take for granted when playing a game (the genre, the controller, etc) and if they want to expand then fine, they've made their money through games and working hard - not something completely irrelevant.
You shouldn't really assume I'm jealous, just because I have a different outlook and opinion to yourself. I'll admit, Microsoft have money to fall back on, but that money didn't come from games and they haven't really worked hard enough in that area to warrant them buying everyone out. It's just not right.
> Personally, I think Microsoft and Sony deserve to be in the games
> industry as so far, they have delivered plenty to gamers. Just
> because Nintendo make games like Mario and Zelda doesn't give them the
> god given right to be the only ones around. If not for companies such
> as Sony and now Microsoft, I bet there wouldn't be half the games
> there are now that are aimed at older audiences.
Everyone deserves to be in the industry who tries, and Microsoft ARE trying. It's just a bit early to announce buy-outs and developer-shopping-sprees. Naturally, people are going to get scared, and ultimately, angry. That's my point.
Sony, brought out a fantastic console (PSOne) and it brought me so much entertainment over the years. It was cheap, innovative and with such a huge selection of games, it didn't take long for Sony to establish themselves.
Microsoft are still struggling. They've got their console set up, but it's doing poorly. People just can't see anything new on X-Box, and until their is, they are annoyed at Microsoft's just waltzing in and attempting domination. Let me stress again:
This is my theory, not necessarily what I think.
> Sega always came up with a decent variation in their games, but Nintendo
> always want to hand out the same style with their games that got them
> the kiddy image.
> Of course the games are very playable, but the style of them aren't to
> everyones taste.
The same style? Nintendo always give the gamers what they want and are probably the most varied company in gaming (well, apart from EA, but their games are absolute *ahem*), releasing platformers, shoot 'em ups, adult games, FPSs, beat 'em ups, racers, real time strategies, simulations, RPGs and many more. When it comes to originality and adding new things, Nintendo are miles ahead of SEGA.
The kiddy image, is stupid and unjustified, and was acquired during the N64's time. Unfortunately, because it wasn't a developer friendly machine, it was just left with Nintendo's 'family' games. Some people, unfortunately saw this as 'kiddy'.
> And how else could other companies enter the games industry nowadays?
> I don't see anyone having half a chance of establishing themselves if
> they tried to do it through making their own games.
I'm not against other companies getting into the industry, it's just when you're in it and using money to overpower and almost destroy brilliant companies (SEGA) that have made gaming what it is today, some people get a little annoyed. What if Microsoft do the same to Nintendo, by buying out crucial third parties like CAPCOM?
I never said it really bothered me, anyway. Yes, looking at Microsoft's power, I'm a little agitated, but nothing to worry about. It was just my theory.
> Of course its easy to see why you'd say that because with Sega being
> out of the picture now, Nintendo would be the dominating company with
> no competition. As soon as Rare went to Microsoft, I saw a few posts
> in the Ninty forum going on about how Nintendo should use their newly
> aquired cash to grab a developer like Sega - so I don't see how thats
> any different. Its basically a case of jealousy using this hard work
> ethic as an excuse. If Sony or Nintendo had the bank balance of
> Microsoft, I bet there wouldn't be one complaint from their fans about
> them using cash to buy the best developers, etc.
You really have quite little faith in people, don't you? I said that because it was my outlook on the situation, not because I think it's best for Nintendo to have complete control over the industry.
And personally, I can easily see the difference between Microsoft buying someone out, and Nintendo doing so. Microsoft are newcomers, and have so far given very little to the industry in terms of development and innovation. They've just used cash, and are buying companies out to succeed.
Nintendo, on the other hand, basically are the Gods of Gaming. They've invented about half of the things we take for granted when playing a game (the genre, the controller, etc) and if they want to expand then fine, they've made their money through games and working hard - not something completely irrelevant.
You shouldn't really assume I'm jealous, just because I have a different outlook and opinion to yourself. I'll admit, Microsoft have money to fall back on, but that money didn't come from games and they haven't really worked hard enough in that area to warrant them buying everyone out. It's just not right.
> Personally, I think Microsoft and Sony deserve to be in the games
> industry as so far, they have delivered plenty to gamers. Just
> because Nintendo make games like Mario and Zelda doesn't give them the
> god given right to be the only ones around. If not for companies such
> as Sony and now Microsoft, I bet there wouldn't be half the games
> there are now that are aimed at older audiences.
Everyone deserves to be in the industry who tries, and Microsoft ARE trying. It's just a bit early to announce buy-outs and developer-shopping-sprees. Naturally, people are going to get scared, and ultimately, angry. That's my point.
Sony, brought out a fantastic console (PSOne) and it brought me so much entertainment over the years. It was cheap, innovative and with such a huge selection of games, it didn't take long for Sony to establish themselves.
Microsoft are still struggling. They've got their console set up, but it's doing poorly. People just can't see anything new on X-Box, and until their is, they are annoyed at Microsoft's just waltzing in and attempting domination. Let me stress again:
This is my theory, not necessarily what I think.
> Sega always came up with a decent variation in their games, but Nintendo
> always want to hand out the same style with their games that got them
> the kiddy image.
> Of course the games are very playable, but the style of them aren't to
> everyones taste.
The same style? Nintendo always give the gamers what they want and are probably the most varied company in gaming (well, apart from EA, but their games are absolute *ahem*), releasing platformers, shoot 'em ups, adult games, FPSs, beat 'em ups, racers, real time strategies, simulations, RPGs and many more. When it comes to originality and adding new things, Nintendo are miles ahead of SEGA.
The kiddy image, is stupid and unjustified, and was acquired during the N64's time. Unfortunately, because it wasn't a developer friendly machine, it was just left with Nintendo's 'family' games. Some people, unfortunately saw this as 'kiddy'.
And how else could other companies enter the games industry nowadays ? I don't see anyone having half a chance of establishing themselves if they tried to do it through making their own games.
Of course its easy to see why you'd say that because with Sega being out of the picture now, Nintendo would be the dominating company with no competition. As soon as Rare went to Microsoft, I saw a few posts in the Ninty forum going on about how Nintendo should use their newly aquired cash to grab a developer like Sega - so I don't see how thats any different. Its basically a case of jealousy using this hard work ethic as an excuse. If Sony or Nintendo had the bank balance of Microsoft, I bet there wouldn't be one complaint from their fans about them using cash to buy the best developers, etc.
Personally, I think Microsoft and Sony deserve to be in the games industry as so far, they have delivered plenty to gamers. Just because Nintendo make games like Mario and Zelda doesn't give them the god given right to be the only ones around. If not for companies such as Sony and now Microsoft, I bet there wouldn't be half the games there are now that are aimed at older audiences. Sega always came up with a decent variation in their games, but Nintendo always want to hand out the same style with their games that got them the kiddy image.
Of course the games are very playable, but the style of them aren't to everyones taste.
Microsoft aren't destroying gaming or anything - they are using their money to get the titles that gamers want to play. Plus its not like Microsoft are saying "oh - lets buy Jet Set Radio Future, lets buy Dead Or Alive 3, lets buy Fable." - these games are coming to X-Box because the developers want to bring them. The X-Box is an excellent console to develop on so you can't blame developers for wanting to do so.
Microsoft have bought a few companies with one of them being Rare. You can't tell me that Nintendo and Sony don't do the same.
I mean, how many people knew or cared about Bungie before Halo ? The only real big company Microsoft have bought is Rare.
Of course its easy to see why you'd say that because with Sega being out of the picture now, Nintendo would be the dominating company with no competition. As soon as Rare went to Microsoft, I saw a few posts in the Ninty forum going on about how Nintendo should use their newly aquired cash to grab a developer like Sega - so I don't see how thats any different. Its basically a case of jealousy using this hard work ethic as an excuse. If Sony or Nintendo had the bank balance of Microsoft, I bet there wouldn't be one complaint from their fans about them using cash to buy the best developers, etc.
Personally, I think Microsoft and Sony deserve to be in the games industry as so far, they have delivered plenty to gamers. Just because Nintendo make games like Mario and Zelda doesn't give them the god given right to be the only ones around. If not for companies such as Sony and now Microsoft, I bet there wouldn't be half the games there are now that are aimed at older audiences. Sega always came up with a decent variation in their games, but Nintendo always want to hand out the same style with their games that got them the kiddy image.
Of course the games are very playable, but the style of them aren't to everyones taste.
Microsoft aren't destroying gaming or anything - they are using their money to get the titles that gamers want to play. Plus its not like Microsoft are saying "oh - lets buy Jet Set Radio Future, lets buy Dead Or Alive 3, lets buy Fable." - these games are coming to X-Box because the developers want to bring them. The X-Box is an excellent console to develop on so you can't blame developers for wanting to do so.
Microsoft have bought a few companies with one of them being Rare. You can't tell me that Nintendo and Sony don't do the same.
I mean, how many people knew or cared about Bungie before Halo ? The only real big company Microsoft have bought is Rare.
Wookie can I just ask why you think I want to reply to your comments anymore than I do to other users? You said "cue an Irate Garbe" yet to be honest I got bored of relplying to you about 700 posts back. As long as we both understand this then its fine, but I have looked around a few of your replies in FOG Chat and Xbox forum and quite a few mention me as if I mean something to you. Try to drop it as you are becoming like a stuck record.
and you had to quote the entire message to say that...
Maverick42 wrote:
> Savatt78 wrote:
> Sony didn't exactly win people over with home made games and had to
> rely on other methods and Microsoft's strong advantage is its money
> which means it can secure games for the X-Box. I'm sure there
> wouldn't be any moaning on your part if Nintendo suddenly started
> buying companies to get more games on the GC.
>
> That's exactly the point though. Whilst companies such as Nintendo
> have worked hard to establish themselves in their field, producing
> consistent high quality games, that never fail to revolutionise the
> industry.
>
> Now, after Nintendo and SEGA have invented everything and got the main
> originality and innovation for a foundation done, up pops Microsoft -
> what a suprise. Using money, they are now utilising the hard work of
> games only companies in an attempt to dominate the industry.
>
> They haven't used skill, innovation, originality, effort or anything
> else Nintendo-esque companies have done, just big wads of cash. Now
> Rare are bought, and there's rumours of a developer shopping spree,
> people are getting annoyed with this, and I for one am getting a
> little agitated too.
>
> People are scared for their favourite company, be it Nintendo or Sony,
> because Microsoft easily outdo them in the money department. If
> Microsoft were to buy everyone out, it would make a mockery of
> everything Nintendo and SEGA and others have worked for.
>
> Basically, people do not want to see hard work exploited through
> money.
BRILLIANT!!!!
> Savatt78 wrote:
> Sony didn't exactly win people over with home made games and had to
> rely on other methods and Microsoft's strong advantage is its money
> which means it can secure games for the X-Box. I'm sure there
> wouldn't be any moaning on your part if Nintendo suddenly started
> buying companies to get more games on the GC.
>
> That's exactly the point though. Whilst companies such as Nintendo
> have worked hard to establish themselves in their field, producing
> consistent high quality games, that never fail to revolutionise the
> industry.
>
> Now, after Nintendo and SEGA have invented everything and got the main
> originality and innovation for a foundation done, up pops Microsoft -
> what a suprise. Using money, they are now utilising the hard work of
> games only companies in an attempt to dominate the industry.
>
> They haven't used skill, innovation, originality, effort or anything
> else Nintendo-esque companies have done, just big wads of cash. Now
> Rare are bought, and there's rumours of a developer shopping spree,
> people are getting annoyed with this, and I for one am getting a
> little agitated too.
>
> People are scared for their favourite company, be it Nintendo or Sony,
> because Microsoft easily outdo them in the money department. If
> Microsoft were to buy everyone out, it would make a mockery of
> everything Nintendo and SEGA and others have worked for.
>
> Basically, people do not want to see hard work exploited through
> money.
BRILLIANT!!!!
Savatt78 wrote:
> Sony didn't exactly win people over with home made games and had to
> rely on other methods and Microsoft's strong advantage is its money
> which means it can secure games for the X-Box. I'm sure there
> wouldn't be any moaning on your part if Nintendo suddenly started
> buying companies to get more games on the GC.
That's exactly the point though. Whilst companies such as Nintendo have worked hard to establish themselves in their field, producing consistent high quality games, that never fail to revolutionise the industry.
Now, after Nintendo and SEGA have invented everything and got the main originality and innovation for a foundation done, up pops Microsoft - what a suprise. Using money, they are now utilising the hard work of games only companies in an attempt to dominate the industry.
They haven't used skill, innovation, originality, effort or anything else Nintendo-esque companies have done, just big wads of cash. Now Rare are bought, and there's rumours of a developer shopping spree, people are getting annoyed with this, and I for one am getting a little agitated too.
People are scared for their favourite company, be it Nintendo or Sony, because Microsoft easily outdo them in the money department. If Microsoft were to buy everyone out, it would make a mockery of everything Nintendo and SEGA and others have worked for.
Basically, people do not want to see hard work exploited through money.
> Sony didn't exactly win people over with home made games and had to
> rely on other methods and Microsoft's strong advantage is its money
> which means it can secure games for the X-Box. I'm sure there
> wouldn't be any moaning on your part if Nintendo suddenly started
> buying companies to get more games on the GC.
That's exactly the point though. Whilst companies such as Nintendo have worked hard to establish themselves in their field, producing consistent high quality games, that never fail to revolutionise the industry.
Now, after Nintendo and SEGA have invented everything and got the main originality and innovation for a foundation done, up pops Microsoft - what a suprise. Using money, they are now utilising the hard work of games only companies in an attempt to dominate the industry.
They haven't used skill, innovation, originality, effort or anything else Nintendo-esque companies have done, just big wads of cash. Now Rare are bought, and there's rumours of a developer shopping spree, people are getting annoyed with this, and I for one am getting a little agitated too.
People are scared for their favourite company, be it Nintendo or Sony, because Microsoft easily outdo them in the money department. If Microsoft were to buy everyone out, it would make a mockery of everything Nintendo and SEGA and others have worked for.
Basically, people do not want to see hard work exploited through money.
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