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Fact: It's not difficult to recruit Firemen. If they were given a big pay rise then that would be a cue for everybody else too. Taxes would rise dramatically and the economy would melt down. We would all be worse off.
I have two suggestions:
1. Train the armed forces to use up to date fire-fighting equipment and make it illegal for anybody to prevent the use of such equipment.
2. As Firemen have nothing to do except play darts for half their time, why not give them some more work. They could be the town watchers, pouring over cctv monitors to watch for traffic jams, fires and rowdy elements of society, and simply reporting events to the Police as necessary. That could be worth 5% on their pay. Of course they might have to be banned from doing second jobs during the day if they have to stay awake all night watching monitors.
These are exceptionally good and logical ideas. Maybe I should be a Governement adviser.
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I have two suggestions:
1. Train the armed forces to use up to date fire-fighting equipment and make it illegal for anybody to prevent the use of such equipment.
2. As Firemen have nothing to do except play darts for half their time, why not give them some more work. They could be the town watchers, pouring over cctv monitors to watch for traffic jams, fires and rowdy elements of society, and simply reporting events to the Police as necessary. That could be worth 5% on their pay. Of course they might have to be banned from doing second jobs during the day if they have to stay awake all night watching monitors.
These are exceptionally good and logical ideas. Maybe I should be a Governement adviser.
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AbsoluT Neó wrote:
> Thats one thing I dont understand - Football clubs can give £50k
> plus a week to a footballer, whilst the government cannot afford to
> give fiermen anything like that a year?! wtf
err, the government has a few more people on its payrole...
> Thats one thing I dont understand - Football clubs can give £50k
> plus a week to a footballer, whilst the government cannot afford to
> give fiermen anything like that a year?! wtf
err, the government has a few more people on its payrole...
This is quite possibly one of the most stupid and ill-advised threads I have ever had the misfortune to stumble across.
Yes, fire fighters should get a pay rise. No they shouldn’t get 40%. However, it’s a simple bargaining tactic, start much higher than you think you can get, then when you get beaten down in pay talks, you’ll still end up with more than your bottom line.
The simple fact is this; no one gives a flying crap about the fire brigade until *they* actually need it.
Tut tut Mr. Rainbird, I would have expected more from you than to post a thread such as this. This is as blatant a ‘say something controversial and stand back’ topic as I’ve ever seen. May I suggest that selecting a range of more targeted and refined keywords would have been a much more appropriate use of time. lol ;-)
Peace.
Yes, fire fighters should get a pay rise. No they shouldn’t get 40%. However, it’s a simple bargaining tactic, start much higher than you think you can get, then when you get beaten down in pay talks, you’ll still end up with more than your bottom line.
The simple fact is this; no one gives a flying crap about the fire brigade until *they* actually need it.
Tut tut Mr. Rainbird, I would have expected more from you than to post a thread such as this. This is as blatant a ‘say something controversial and stand back’ topic as I’ve ever seen. May I suggest that selecting a range of more targeted and refined keywords would have been a much more appropriate use of time. lol ;-)
Peace.
Insane Bartender wrote:
> err, the government has a few more people on its payrole...
Yeh but can they not use some money from football?
£50k a week - noone is worth that amount let alone £100k
The gov have a few more people on payroll but a footballer probabaly gets the same amount as 3 people put together.
> err, the government has a few more people on its payrole...
Yeh but can they not use some money from football?
£50k a week - noone is worth that amount let alone £100k
The gov have a few more people on payroll but a footballer probabaly gets the same amount as 3 people put together.
what do you mean use money form football?
if you mean they should tax football, i think it gets taxed enough.
Windfall taxes, VAT on EVERYTHING, income tax (and on those wages, that's a lot of PAYE.) etc.
It all goes into the big fat pot that is the budget, which then has to pay out on ludicrous things like subsidising farmers for growing grass instead of useful things like food.
if you mean they should tax football, i think it gets taxed enough.
Windfall taxes, VAT on EVERYTHING, income tax (and on those wages, that's a lot of PAYE.) etc.
It all goes into the big fat pot that is the budget, which then has to pay out on ludicrous things like subsidising farmers for growing grass instead of useful things like food.
Well here's my view, everyone says I'm wrong so join the club.
I personally think the firemen are underpaid. However, I think that instant increase to 30 grand is a bit too much, I'd say 25-26 grand is suitable enough. As many firemen also have other jobs, apparently.
Emmm well I agree with strikes and unions in general but when it comes to this kind of work I feel they shouldn't, or at least give a lot more notice. There's a difference from firemen and say cleaners going on strike.
Emmm the media coverage is annoying me, they keep talking too much about anti-strike and such. And how not to set fire to your house.
I'll tell you something though, the people who phone hoax calls should be set alight.
I personally think the firemen are underpaid. However, I think that instant increase to 30 grand is a bit too much, I'd say 25-26 grand is suitable enough. As many firemen also have other jobs, apparently.
Emmm well I agree with strikes and unions in general but when it comes to this kind of work I feel they shouldn't, or at least give a lot more notice. There's a difference from firemen and say cleaners going on strike.
Emmm the media coverage is annoying me, they keep talking too much about anti-strike and such. And how not to set fire to your house.
I'll tell you something though, the people who phone hoax calls should be set alight.
Personally I would reduce footballers wages or take all their money off them. And people who own more than say a million get taxed 90%, so there.
If you earn more than 50 grand you get charged 40% tax, this stays the same if you have a billion.
No way, spread the wealth maaaaan.
If you earn more than 50 grand you get charged 40% tax, this stays the same if you have a billion.
No way, spread the wealth maaaaan.
I largely agree with you view on the firefighter thing.
the 90% tax thing is a little harsh though.
the 90% tax thing is a little harsh though.
Having just seen the latest news bulletions - where;
The Government is hinting at legal action to prevent further strikes.
The Government is hinting it will use the normal fire equipment.
John Prescott is getting all agitated and threatening.
The Fire Brigades Union ejected the media from a meeting this morning
I can't help but feel this is rapidly spiralling out of control. If, because of the media, Fire Fighters lose public support then they're unlikely to give in and it will just intensify. I feel that it's okay for the government to order the military to take the regular fire appliances BUT that this could lead to something far worse happening if just one fire station shows reluctance to do this. All it takes is for one to start some kind of fight or do something and things will get 100 times worse.
Face it, the government is screwing this up big time. If they had any sense they'd do a deal agreeing to a pay rise in a couple of months time of about 25-30% in exchange for the strikes ending - except they wouldn't bother making it known to anyone but the FBU the pay rise would happen. Government doesn't lose face, FBU gets what it wants, and the country calms down again. Maybe :)
~~Belldandy~~
The Government is hinting at legal action to prevent further strikes.
The Government is hinting it will use the normal fire equipment.
John Prescott is getting all agitated and threatening.
The Fire Brigades Union ejected the media from a meeting this morning
I can't help but feel this is rapidly spiralling out of control. If, because of the media, Fire Fighters lose public support then they're unlikely to give in and it will just intensify. I feel that it's okay for the government to order the military to take the regular fire appliances BUT that this could lead to something far worse happening if just one fire station shows reluctance to do this. All it takes is for one to start some kind of fight or do something and things will get 100 times worse.
Face it, the government is screwing this up big time. If they had any sense they'd do a deal agreeing to a pay rise in a couple of months time of about 25-30% in exchange for the strikes ending - except they wouldn't bother making it known to anyone but the FBU the pay rise would happen. Government doesn't lose face, FBU gets what it wants, and the country calms down again. Maybe :)
~~Belldandy~~
I think the firefighters, or at least their union, is as much to blame as anyone else.
They are about as flexible as Belldandy's American patriotism.
They are about as flexible as Belldandy's American patriotism.
Insane Bartender wrote:
> I think the firefighters, or at least their union, is as much to blame
> as anyone else.
>
> They are about as flexible as Belldandy's American patriotism.
lol :) The same can be said for the government;
Govt: "4%, take it or leave"
FBU: "But...."
Govt: "4%, get lost while we vote ourselves another 35% increase yeah ?"
FBU: "Okay...strike time"
Govt: "Agh your all horrid union members, cease and desist because tony says so, and Mr "I need a Jaguar to go down the road".
~~Belldandy~~
> I think the firefighters, or at least their union, is as much to blame
> as anyone else.
>
> They are about as flexible as Belldandy's American patriotism.
lol :) The same can be said for the government;
Govt: "4%, take it or leave"
FBU: "But...."
Govt: "4%, get lost while we vote ourselves another 35% increase yeah ?"
FBU: "Okay...strike time"
Govt: "Agh your all horrid union members, cease and desist because tony says so, and Mr "I need a Jaguar to go down the road".
~~Belldandy~~
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