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Just look at the facts...
It's is 3rd place in terms of units sold.
Jack & Daxter, and now Rachet & Clank illustrates that Sony ps2 is just as good at cartoon platform exploration as the Ninty Cube. Infact I have seen a few reports that put the Sony offering ahead of Nintendo.
The lack of a DVD movie player is a mistake for Ninty. The cube might be a bit cheaper, but most people will pay that bit extra to get a console that also plays dvd's. Ahh, some you already have a standalone dvd player in the house. True, but many games consoles are not connected to the main tv - they are used in a bedroom or ther room. PS2 and XBox provides these people with a handy 2nd dvd player in a different location. Both XBox and PS2 also use DVD for games which means the games can be much bigger compared with games on the GC.
Price fixing. Even though this only remarks on the last gen consoles, fact is it made it into the main news. This is not good, and is worse for Ninty since they have always pushed the idea that they are more fair, and are not like Sony or anyone else.
Ninty got the price wrong at launch. Nintendo have made a mistake in introducing the Cube at such a low price. Now that there have been price cuts for PS2 and XBox, people are looking to Ninty for a similar cut. But it wont happen until next year. With it's low price, Ninty need to shift lots of Cubes - which it is failing to do.
Uncertain future. While details for PS3 and XBox2 are not firm - and will change again before launch, at least we know that there will be a PS3 and XBox2. Ninty are much more uncertain. One day they say that this GameCube will be the last Ninty console. The next day they claim to be working on GameCube2, but then say that will be the last one. The only thing we can say for certain is that, whatever the market format is at that time, Ninty won't use it.
It's is 3rd place in terms of units sold.
Jack & Daxter, and now Rachet & Clank illustrates that Sony ps2 is just as good at cartoon platform exploration as the Ninty Cube. Infact I have seen a few reports that put the Sony offering ahead of Nintendo.
The lack of a DVD movie player is a mistake for Ninty. The cube might be a bit cheaper, but most people will pay that bit extra to get a console that also plays dvd's. Ahh, some you already have a standalone dvd player in the house. True, but many games consoles are not connected to the main tv - they are used in a bedroom or ther room. PS2 and XBox provides these people with a handy 2nd dvd player in a different location. Both XBox and PS2 also use DVD for games which means the games can be much bigger compared with games on the GC.
Price fixing. Even though this only remarks on the last gen consoles, fact is it made it into the main news. This is not good, and is worse for Ninty since they have always pushed the idea that they are more fair, and are not like Sony or anyone else.
Ninty got the price wrong at launch. Nintendo have made a mistake in introducing the Cube at such a low price. Now that there have been price cuts for PS2 and XBox, people are looking to Ninty for a similar cut. But it wont happen until next year. With it's low price, Ninty need to shift lots of Cubes - which it is failing to do.
Uncertain future. While details for PS3 and XBox2 are not firm - and will change again before launch, at least we know that there will be a PS3 and XBox2. Ninty are much more uncertain. One day they say that this GameCube will be the last Ninty console. The next day they claim to be working on GameCube2, but then say that will be the last one. The only thing we can say for certain is that, whatever the market format is at that time, Ninty won't use it.
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What is wrong with trying to make money? You are all acting like communists! If Microsoft want to buy some more companys then they can. No one cared when Focus merged with that other company so why should we care here? It is the exact same situation but you are choosing to make a big deal out of it to make Nintendos price fixing seem not so bad. What Nintendo did was illegal and wrong end of story what Microsoft are doing is legal and a great step forward for them in the gaming industry. It is not like price fixing at all!
Microsoft even attempted to buy Sony's videogames department and Nintendo didn't they?
First Officer Bill Franklyn: Admiral, we have a problem. Incoming losses due to the result of a competition at Nintendo prime.
Admiral Bill Gates: Arm Dollar Torpedoes, maximum spread, Fire!
First Officer Bill Franklyn: Sir, they had no effect whatsoever!
Admiral Bill Gates: Dagnabbit! Any suggestions staff?
Admiral Bill Gates: You've won this round Shigsy....
First Officer Bill Franklyn: Admiral, we have a problem. Incoming losses due to the result of a competition at Nintendo prime.
Admiral Bill Gates: Arm Dollar Torpedoes, maximum spread, Fire!
First Officer Bill Franklyn: Sir, they had no effect whatsoever!
Admiral Bill Gates: Dagnabbit! Any suggestions staff?
Admiral Bill Gates: You've won this round Shigsy....
phi11ip wrote:
> MS bought out every company that tried to rival them, they gave them
> the 'merge or lose' option...
>
> They used techniques to make sure they were the monopoly and that they
> could set the prices for the market. If another company was set up,
> they would have to lower their prices to be more competitve but by
> being a monopoly they could set their own prices!
>
> It's basically price fixing!
But price fixing on a scale so woefully large.
> MS bought out every company that tried to rival them, they gave them
> the 'merge or lose' option...
>
> They used techniques to make sure they were the monopoly and that they
> could set the prices for the market. If another company was set up,
> they would have to lower their prices to be more competitve but by
> being a monopoly they could set their own prices!
>
> It's basically price fixing!
But price fixing on a scale so woefully large.
MS bought out every company that tried to rival them, they gave them the 'merge or lose' option...
They used techniques to make sure they were the monopoly and that they could set the prices for the market. If another company was set up, they would have to lower their prices to be more competitve but by being a monopoly they could set their own prices!
It's basically price fixing!
They used techniques to make sure they were the monopoly and that they could set the prices for the market. If another company was set up, they would have to lower their prices to be more competitve but by being a monopoly they could set their own prices!
It's basically price fixing!
phi11ip wrote:
> Exactly!
>
> I thought that was what happened but I wasn't too sure!
>
> Buying out EVERY rival company is alot worse than fixing a few prices!
I wont even dignify that with a response other than this
> Exactly!
>
> I thought that was what happened but I wasn't too sure!
>
> Buying out EVERY rival company is alot worse than fixing a few prices!
I wont even dignify that with a response other than this
Cubist wrote:
> cookie monster wrote:
> Err...Dont know about you but buying out rival companies to set up a
> total monopoly is VERY naughty.
>
> Slap on the wrist naughty Microsoft how dare you make money! Honestly
> are you some kind of communist? They can do it as long as they keep it
> legal and so far they have.
"It is illegal for any company to collaborate with one of it's competitors in an attempt to eliminate competition from the market, and thus create a monopoly. Microsoft has participated in such an act."
They broke monopoly rules...
WORSE than Nintendo did!
> cookie monster wrote:
> Err...Dont know about you but buying out rival companies to set up a
> total monopoly is VERY naughty.
>
> Slap on the wrist naughty Microsoft how dare you make money! Honestly
> are you some kind of communist? They can do it as long as they keep it
> legal and so far they have.
"It is illegal for any company to collaborate with one of it's competitors in an attempt to eliminate competition from the market, and thus create a monopoly. Microsoft has participated in such an act."
They broke monopoly rules...
WORSE than Nintendo did!
Update2.01 wrote:
> Edgy wrote:
> Update2.01 wrote:
> Just look at the facts...
>
> It's is 3rd place in terms of units sold.
>
> In the UK maybe...
>
> Wake up, not just here. In the states as well. Saw the latest numbers
> yesterday.
>
In Japan, the GameCube sells more than enough units to keep the company alive and kicking, and the Game Boy Advance sells more units per week than the Playstation 2 Japan, which is Sony's most popular market.
>
>
> Jack & Daxter, and now Rachet & Clank illustrates that Sony
> ps2 is just as good at cartoon platform exploration as the Ninty
> Cube.
> Infact I have seen a few reports that put the Sony offering ahead of
> Nintendo.
>
> So you're saying that the GameCube's only title is Super Mario
> Sunshine?
>
> Point is that this kind of game as been the big hitter (for some
> anyway) for Ninty. It was seen as an advantage. Some thing they were
> better at than Sony, even if Sony sold more PS2's or games. This is no
> longer the case. Nintendo no longer have this so called advantage.
>
'Has' being the word. It wasn't Super Mario 64 that sold the Nintendo 64, it was Goldeneye. super Mario 64 was a hit for the N64, but if it wasn't for Goldeneye, the Nintendo 64 wouldn't have sold half as many units.
>
> The lack of a DVD movie player is a mistake for Ninty. The cube
> might
> be a bit cheaper, but most people will pay that bit extra to get a
> console that also plays dvd's.
>
> I didn't.
> For everyone bod that says this, you will find 3 that that want a
> console with DVD. Just look at the popularity of the DVD format.
>
So? One in three is still a big amount considering there are six billion people in the world.
> Ahh, some you already have a standalone
> dvd player in the house. True, but many games consoles are not
> connected to the main tv - they are used in a bedroom or ther room.
>
> True, but a games console is a games console, not just a DVD player.
> Thats the old way of thinking. Expect even more multipurpose consoles
> in the future. Look at tv, with digital you get more channels,
> interactive features, digital text which can provide photo realistic
> graphics, email, SMS text, and even basic games.
>
> I've seen many multi-disc games in the past, so what's wrong with
> the
> GameCube doing the same? When PS1 was out, CD (which holds less) was
> the main format. With that older tech, there was no option but to
> split games over 2 or more cds. With DVD, there is much more space at
> hand, so little need to split the game. The GC disc holds much less
> than DVD, so Ninty will have to split the games over 2 or more discs
> sooner.
>
I've seen PS2 games with more than one disc involved.
> Microsoft fixed their prices at £300 per X-box, and now, nine
> months on you can buy one for half that! Sony did the same. All
> companies fix their prices.
> MS didnt expect to shift so few units, so they had to offer customers
> another reason to buy the brick, hence reduce the price again and
> again.
> Sony have shifted so many units, that they have to make so many units.
> They can buy buy/make hardware in larger amounts which is cheaper. As
> time goes by, tech gets cheaper, so the cost to the customer comes
> down.
That's BS! Sony reduced the price of the console to compete with Microsoft's prices. You really think a console over £200 is going to be able to compete as fiercely against two other consoles that are nearer the £150 mark?
>
>
> Shifting more 'Cubes than you're selling. Anyway, considering it is
> the games that make the money (the consoles losing money for the
> companies), Nintendo are more than likely to want to encourage
> software sales, not console sales.
> Lets just hope they dont do the same as what they did with the N64 -
> overprice the software. Hold on, many people on here say that GC games
> are the cheapest out there, so where are they making the money?
If the software was overpriced, Nintendo would lose money as sales would be so poor. However, releasing games as low as possible to make a profit increases the number of sales, resulting in larger profits. Thus, Nintendo can afford to keep prices lower. That is why most GameCube games are released cheaper than most new X-box and Playstation 2 games.
> Edgy wrote:
> Update2.01 wrote:
> Just look at the facts...
>
> It's is 3rd place in terms of units sold.
>
> In the UK maybe...
>
> Wake up, not just here. In the states as well. Saw the latest numbers
> yesterday.
>
In Japan, the GameCube sells more than enough units to keep the company alive and kicking, and the Game Boy Advance sells more units per week than the Playstation 2 Japan, which is Sony's most popular market.
>
>
> Jack & Daxter, and now Rachet & Clank illustrates that Sony
> ps2 is just as good at cartoon platform exploration as the Ninty
> Cube.
> Infact I have seen a few reports that put the Sony offering ahead of
> Nintendo.
>
> So you're saying that the GameCube's only title is Super Mario
> Sunshine?
>
> Point is that this kind of game as been the big hitter (for some
> anyway) for Ninty. It was seen as an advantage. Some thing they were
> better at than Sony, even if Sony sold more PS2's or games. This is no
> longer the case. Nintendo no longer have this so called advantage.
>
'Has' being the word. It wasn't Super Mario 64 that sold the Nintendo 64, it was Goldeneye. super Mario 64 was a hit for the N64, but if it wasn't for Goldeneye, the Nintendo 64 wouldn't have sold half as many units.
>
> The lack of a DVD movie player is a mistake for Ninty. The cube
> might
> be a bit cheaper, but most people will pay that bit extra to get a
> console that also plays dvd's.
>
> I didn't.
> For everyone bod that says this, you will find 3 that that want a
> console with DVD. Just look at the popularity of the DVD format.
>
So? One in three is still a big amount considering there are six billion people in the world.
> Ahh, some you already have a standalone
> dvd player in the house. True, but many games consoles are not
> connected to the main tv - they are used in a bedroom or ther room.
>
> True, but a games console is a games console, not just a DVD player.
> Thats the old way of thinking. Expect even more multipurpose consoles
> in the future. Look at tv, with digital you get more channels,
> interactive features, digital text which can provide photo realistic
> graphics, email, SMS text, and even basic games.
>
> I've seen many multi-disc games in the past, so what's wrong with
> the
> GameCube doing the same? When PS1 was out, CD (which holds less) was
> the main format. With that older tech, there was no option but to
> split games over 2 or more cds. With DVD, there is much more space at
> hand, so little need to split the game. The GC disc holds much less
> than DVD, so Ninty will have to split the games over 2 or more discs
> sooner.
>
I've seen PS2 games with more than one disc involved.
> Microsoft fixed their prices at £300 per X-box, and now, nine
> months on you can buy one for half that! Sony did the same. All
> companies fix their prices.
> MS didnt expect to shift so few units, so they had to offer customers
> another reason to buy the brick, hence reduce the price again and
> again.
> Sony have shifted so many units, that they have to make so many units.
> They can buy buy/make hardware in larger amounts which is cheaper. As
> time goes by, tech gets cheaper, so the cost to the customer comes
> down.
That's BS! Sony reduced the price of the console to compete with Microsoft's prices. You really think a console over £200 is going to be able to compete as fiercely against two other consoles that are nearer the £150 mark?
>
>
> Shifting more 'Cubes than you're selling. Anyway, considering it is
> the games that make the money (the consoles losing money for the
> companies), Nintendo are more than likely to want to encourage
> software sales, not console sales.
> Lets just hope they dont do the same as what they did with the N64 -
> overprice the software. Hold on, many people on here say that GC games
> are the cheapest out there, so where are they making the money?
If the software was overpriced, Nintendo would lose money as sales would be so poor. However, releasing games as low as possible to make a profit increases the number of sales, resulting in larger profits. Thus, Nintendo can afford to keep prices lower. That is why most GameCube games are released cheaper than most new X-box and Playstation 2 games.
cookie monster wrote:
> Cubist wrote:
> phi11ip wrote:
> Didn't Microsoft do things worse than that though?!!?
>
> Like making it impossible for any competitors to set up?
>
> All companies have done 'bad' things...
>
> It's called dominating the market it is ok unlike what Gamecube did
>
> Err...Dont know about you but buying out rival companies to set up a
> total monopoly is VERY naughty.
Exactly!
I thought that was what happened but I wasn't too sure!
Buying out EVERY rival company is alot worse than fixing a few prices!
> Cubist wrote:
> phi11ip wrote:
> Didn't Microsoft do things worse than that though?!!?
>
> Like making it impossible for any competitors to set up?
>
> All companies have done 'bad' things...
>
> It's called dominating the market it is ok unlike what Gamecube did
>
> Err...Dont know about you but buying out rival companies to set up a
> total monopoly is VERY naughty.
Exactly!
I thought that was what happened but I wasn't too sure!
Buying out EVERY rival company is alot worse than fixing a few prices!
cookie monster wrote:
> Err...Dont know about you but buying out rival companies to set up a
> total monopoly is VERY naughty.
Slap on the wrist naughty Microsoft how dare you make money! Honestly are you some kind of communist? They can do it as long as they keep it legal and so far they have.
> Err...Dont know about you but buying out rival companies to set up a
> total monopoly is VERY naughty.
Slap on the wrist naughty Microsoft how dare you make money! Honestly are you some kind of communist? They can do it as long as they keep it legal and so far they have.
To be honest with you I would love all three. But I will never have the cash for that. So why are we slagging off the other consoles anyway, do we have massive arguements over whether Packard Bell make better Pc's than Hewlet Packard.
Anyway there is one point left to make NINTENDO ARE THE MOST EXPERIENCED IN MAKIND CONSOLES!
Anyway there is one point left to make NINTENDO ARE THE MOST EXPERIENCED IN MAKIND CONSOLES!
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