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Ohhhh, the single mindedness of PlayStation fans, it makes me sick. I'm not saying that there aren't Ninty and - god damn them - Pokemon fans, but I'm really starting to resent PlayStation - holics.
Example - "The PS2 is the best console of the next generation"
"No it isn't, it has the worst technology and some aspects are quite flawed."
"Yeah, but it has better games."
"Name some."
"SSX Tricky, Tony Hawks 3..."
"On GC and Xbox, on GC and Xbox..."
"But the GameCube and Xbox don't have good games"
"Halo, Smash Bros., Unreal Championship, Star Wars Rogue Leader..."
"But the PS2 is best."
Oh dear. It seems that people get into the wrong frame of mind. "PS2 is best, and nothing else is good". Definitely the wrong frame of mind. In the next-gen console race, Nintendo has got a great console which isn't held back by complicated architecture, high costs and obsessive anti-aliasing, and the Xbox is everything the PS2 is with that expensive Microsoft upgrade. Looks like this is one race that Sony can't win...
Or can they? Despite being less of a console than the others, Sony have such a massive fan base, and such a massive head start on the competition, that it may just end up to be like the previous console race.
The PlayStation was the technologically inferior console, yet by having such a massive base of cheap, fun games, became a massively popular hit. The N64 had much greater visuals, but because of that unjustified and biased view that Nintendo is 'just for kids', sold appallingly, coupled with the extreme prices. £65 for an N64 game anyone? Nah, everyone with both consoles will go for 2 PlayStation games anyday.
However, the Dreamcast was really good, and had all the qualities that made the PlayStation great. However, it arrived 4 years too late, and by this time Sony had established its multi-million fan base and had managed to dissuade all potential consumers away from Sega's really nice machine. Result? We all know it.
(PS. Now is the time to snap up a cheap Dreamcast. £70 for a DC and 2 games? Ridiculously cheap. Buy now!)
And it is entirely possible that the same will happen to Nintendo and Microsoft if they don't pull their act together. The PlayStation 2 was, and still is, a much, MUCH broadcasted console. Ask an adult in a shopping mall, and chances are that they have heard of the PS2, if not actually have one in their home. It is totally the opposite in the case of Nintendo and the GameCube. Some people know of the Xbox, but the GameCube? Nope.
A wise move by Nintendo was to advertise the GameCube on the back of the GameBoy Advance box. A+ for Nintendo, as the GBA is one of the fastest selling consoles ever. In fact, if it wasn't for the GameBoy, Pocket and Colour, Nintendo would probably be sharing its grave with Sega.
What is wrong with all of this, is that Sony don't deserve the staggering profits they make. They don't have any good in-house games, and put ridiculous prices on add-ons. Nintendo, while infamous for delays, make great games, with a passion, and always deliver something fun, innovative and truly great. Microsoft have got the heart for the console business. True, in essence they are only in it for the money, but even so, they have got all the backing needed to keep a hydroelectic dam stable, and trust me, thats a lot.
My last point to make, is that Sony does need to pull its act together. There are a very small amount of great games around on the PS2, no true must-haves, whereas the competition have must-have titles available from day 1. Many of the PS2's games are not PS2-only, and exclusive is the wrong word to describe it.
Exclusive = first, not, as many people are fooled by false advertising, 'only on that console'.
The PlayStation 2 is a great console for variety and price.
The GameCube is a great console for quality and price.
The Xbox is a great console for variety and quality.
From every angle, it is a win-win situation, yet many-a-person go for the PS2, merely because of advertisement. For the next-gen race, public awareness is everything. This isn't meant as a rip on the PS2, but it is just showing how Sony has played its cards right up until now, and how not to play the gaming game.
My advice to everyone wanting a new console:
Buy everything. That way you'll have a non-biased view, and can experience all great things gaming.
Remember: You only dis what you don't have. The DC is great, albeit with a massive anti-DC following.
Go on, its gaming, and gaming is great. Have fun with your next gen consoles, and do a little research into what you're buying. Don't fall under the rock-slide of Sony advertising, buy what YOU want, not what they do.
Have fun...
Example - "The PS2 is the best console of the next generation"
"No it isn't, it has the worst technology and some aspects are quite flawed."
"Yeah, but it has better games."
"Name some."
"SSX Tricky, Tony Hawks 3..."
"On GC and Xbox, on GC and Xbox..."
"But the GameCube and Xbox don't have good games"
"Halo, Smash Bros., Unreal Championship, Star Wars Rogue Leader..."
"But the PS2 is best."
Oh dear. It seems that people get into the wrong frame of mind. "PS2 is best, and nothing else is good". Definitely the wrong frame of mind. In the next-gen console race, Nintendo has got a great console which isn't held back by complicated architecture, high costs and obsessive anti-aliasing, and the Xbox is everything the PS2 is with that expensive Microsoft upgrade. Looks like this is one race that Sony can't win...
Or can they? Despite being less of a console than the others, Sony have such a massive fan base, and such a massive head start on the competition, that it may just end up to be like the previous console race.
The PlayStation was the technologically inferior console, yet by having such a massive base of cheap, fun games, became a massively popular hit. The N64 had much greater visuals, but because of that unjustified and biased view that Nintendo is 'just for kids', sold appallingly, coupled with the extreme prices. £65 for an N64 game anyone? Nah, everyone with both consoles will go for 2 PlayStation games anyday.
However, the Dreamcast was really good, and had all the qualities that made the PlayStation great. However, it arrived 4 years too late, and by this time Sony had established its multi-million fan base and had managed to dissuade all potential consumers away from Sega's really nice machine. Result? We all know it.
(PS. Now is the time to snap up a cheap Dreamcast. £70 for a DC and 2 games? Ridiculously cheap. Buy now!)
And it is entirely possible that the same will happen to Nintendo and Microsoft if they don't pull their act together. The PlayStation 2 was, and still is, a much, MUCH broadcasted console. Ask an adult in a shopping mall, and chances are that they have heard of the PS2, if not actually have one in their home. It is totally the opposite in the case of Nintendo and the GameCube. Some people know of the Xbox, but the GameCube? Nope.
A wise move by Nintendo was to advertise the GameCube on the back of the GameBoy Advance box. A+ for Nintendo, as the GBA is one of the fastest selling consoles ever. In fact, if it wasn't for the GameBoy, Pocket and Colour, Nintendo would probably be sharing its grave with Sega.
What is wrong with all of this, is that Sony don't deserve the staggering profits they make. They don't have any good in-house games, and put ridiculous prices on add-ons. Nintendo, while infamous for delays, make great games, with a passion, and always deliver something fun, innovative and truly great. Microsoft have got the heart for the console business. True, in essence they are only in it for the money, but even so, they have got all the backing needed to keep a hydroelectic dam stable, and trust me, thats a lot.
My last point to make, is that Sony does need to pull its act together. There are a very small amount of great games around on the PS2, no true must-haves, whereas the competition have must-have titles available from day 1. Many of the PS2's games are not PS2-only, and exclusive is the wrong word to describe it.
Exclusive = first, not, as many people are fooled by false advertising, 'only on that console'.
The PlayStation 2 is a great console for variety and price.
The GameCube is a great console for quality and price.
The Xbox is a great console for variety and quality.
From every angle, it is a win-win situation, yet many-a-person go for the PS2, merely because of advertisement. For the next-gen race, public awareness is everything. This isn't meant as a rip on the PS2, but it is just showing how Sony has played its cards right up until now, and how not to play the gaming game.
My advice to everyone wanting a new console:
Buy everything. That way you'll have a non-biased view, and can experience all great things gaming.
Remember: You only dis what you don't have. The DC is great, albeit with a massive anti-DC following.
Go on, its gaming, and gaming is great. Have fun with your next gen consoles, and do a little research into what you're buying. Don't fall under the rock-slide of Sony advertising, buy what YOU want, not what they do.
Have fun...
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½pint wrote:
And I find it hilarious that you waltz around thinking
> you own the place and rip me. Only one aspect? Well what else, I included most
> of my views which contribute as a whole. Sure, Ninty has got a problem as to
> release dates and info, but I'm just pointing out the whole of the PS2's
> dependency on its user fan base.
Don't worry, he's got alot of pubescent rage in him or something, because he did the same thing to my 'Is Length Important?' post in FOG prime topics.
He admits to not reading it fully, then makes throwaway comments that it was a rubbish topic.
And I find it hilarious that you waltz around thinking
> you own the place and rip me. Only one aspect? Well what else, I included most
> of my views which contribute as a whole. Sure, Ninty has got a problem as to
> release dates and info, but I'm just pointing out the whole of the PS2's
> dependency on its user fan base.
Don't worry, he's got alot of pubescent rage in him or something, because he did the same thing to my 'Is Length Important?' post in FOG prime topics.
He admits to not reading it fully, then makes throwaway comments that it was a rubbish topic.
MGS3? WHERE!
:)
How can it be failing to live up to expectations, it's not released yet? Also, can it ever live up to expectations? It's expected to be the best game ever, and to be perfect. Of course, it's impossible, but it comes pretty damn close. Also, nearly everyone who owns a PS2 (or not) will buy the game at some point. Surely that's what really matters?
:)
How can it be failing to live up to expectations, it's not released yet? Also, can it ever live up to expectations? It's expected to be the best game ever, and to be perfect. Of course, it's impossible, but it comes pretty damn close. Also, nearly everyone who owns a PS2 (or not) will buy the game at some point. Surely that's what really matters?
the fact is the N64 was expensive, there wasnt that many games to start with so the PS1 got tonnes of fans.
having such a large fan base there friends got it and their friends and their friends friends etc... now it is huge and Sony feel safe, a few hickups on the PS2 such as loss of capcom and excluisve 3rd pary support from Namco and many other complaining companies. Oh and the fact that massive games like Metal Gear Solid 3 and FF10 are failing to live up to expectations. But they have a large fans base they have a load of good games they will be fine...
But you see the mistakes Nintendo made are being remedid, i belive the European market are getting notcied more, there is much more 3rd party support, much more first and second party games, its cheap. In fact every bad point the N64 had has completley vanished.
No longer can it be called a console for kids, no longer is it expensive, there are no signs of a game drought...
So Sony are slipping up and Nintendo are gaining ground... no time to relax the console war leaders can change at any time.
having such a large fan base there friends got it and their friends and their friends friends etc... now it is huge and Sony feel safe, a few hickups on the PS2 such as loss of capcom and excluisve 3rd pary support from Namco and many other complaining companies. Oh and the fact that massive games like Metal Gear Solid 3 and FF10 are failing to live up to expectations. But they have a large fans base they have a load of good games they will be fine...
But you see the mistakes Nintendo made are being remedid, i belive the European market are getting notcied more, there is much more 3rd party support, much more first and second party games, its cheap. In fact every bad point the N64 had has completley vanished.
No longer can it be called a console for kids, no longer is it expensive, there are no signs of a game drought...
So Sony are slipping up and Nintendo are gaining ground... no time to relax the console war leaders can change at any time.
Of course it's not. If it's only a game this place wouldn't be half as interesting.
Oh please everyone CHILL! Play Jak and Daxter and CHILL!
I'm getting an X-BOX but i'm not now going to foul mouth the PS2,
'cause that's wonderful too.....
Remember it's only a game.......or is it? Dah Dah Daaaah!
I'm getting an X-BOX but i'm not now going to foul mouth the PS2,
'cause that's wonderful too.....
Remember it's only a game.......or is it? Dah Dah Daaaah!
Come on half pint, I'm awaiting your response...
I only skimmed your topic for bits that were wrong. I don't read your topics yet. However, the PS2 is not dependant on its fan base but as with all the consoles it plays a large part. Nintendo would be half what it is today without it's fanbase that has grown over the years. Oh, and that's not my view, it's what I've picked up around here.
Turbonutter wrote:
> I find it hillarious that you think SONY has to pull its act together.
...but
> I'm sure someone has already pointed this out.
God I hate these topics, so
> uninspiring. Next time you take a pop at the PS2 (or anything), please try and
> focus on only one aspect. Thank you.
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And I find it hilarious that you waltz around thinking you own the place and rip me. Only one aspect? Well what else, I included most of my views which contribute as a whole. Sure, Ninty has got a problem as to release dates and info, but I'm just pointing out the whole of the PS2's dependency on its user fan base.
> I find it hillarious that you think SONY has to pull its act together.
...but
> I'm sure someone has already pointed this out.
God I hate these topics, so
> uninspiring. Next time you take a pop at the PS2 (or anything), please try and
> focus on only one aspect. Thank you.
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And I find it hilarious that you waltz around thinking you own the place and rip me. Only one aspect? Well what else, I included most of my views which contribute as a whole. Sure, Ninty has got a problem as to release dates and info, but I'm just pointing out the whole of the PS2's dependency on its user fan base.
I find it hillarious that you think SONY has to pull its act together.
...but I'm sure someone has already pointed this out.
God I hate these topics, so uninspiring. Next time you take a pop at the PS2 (or anything), please try and focus on only one aspect. Thank you.
...but I'm sure someone has already pointed this out.
God I hate these topics, so uninspiring. Next time you take a pop at the PS2 (or anything), please try and focus on only one aspect. Thank you.
Okay, I was just mocking by saying that MGS is a normal 3rd person shooter, since it was said that Halo was a normal FPS. Which console is played definitely depends on your tastes, for FPS fans, Xbox is your man, for adult gaming variety it is PS2, and for pure fun it is Nintendo. There will probably be replies to this saying that Nintendo is purely for ickle kiddykins, but look at Resident Evil: Biohazard, Star Wars Rogue Leader, Galleon, Perfect Dark, Turok and Metroid. All are/will be top notch must haves, yet none are cartoony games; Resi, PD, Turok and Metroid will all have age restrictions. Fine then, say that Mario makes Ninty a kiddie console. If that's the case, Jak and Daxter makes the PS2 a kiddie console and Universal Studios makes the Xbox for youngsters. Its a one sided argument, isn't it.
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