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Mon 28/01/02 at 20:22
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Ohhhh, the single mindedness of PlayStation fans, it makes me sick. I'm not saying that there aren't Ninty and - god damn them - Pokemon fans, but I'm really starting to resent PlayStation - holics.

Example - "The PS2 is the best console of the next generation"
"No it isn't, it has the worst technology and some aspects are quite flawed."
"Yeah, but it has better games."
"Name some."
"SSX Tricky, Tony Hawks 3..."
"On GC and Xbox, on GC and Xbox..."
"But the GameCube and Xbox don't have good games"
"Halo, Smash Bros., Unreal Championship, Star Wars Rogue Leader..."
"But the PS2 is best."



Oh dear. It seems that people get into the wrong frame of mind. "PS2 is best, and nothing else is good". Definitely the wrong frame of mind. In the next-gen console race, Nintendo has got a great console which isn't held back by complicated architecture, high costs and obsessive anti-aliasing, and the Xbox is everything the PS2 is with that expensive Microsoft upgrade. Looks like this is one race that Sony can't win...

Or can they? Despite being less of a console than the others, Sony have such a massive fan base, and such a massive head start on the competition, that it may just end up to be like the previous console race.

The PlayStation was the technologically inferior console, yet by having such a massive base of cheap, fun games, became a massively popular hit. The N64 had much greater visuals, but because of that unjustified and biased view that Nintendo is 'just for kids', sold appallingly, coupled with the extreme prices. £65 for an N64 game anyone? Nah, everyone with both consoles will go for 2 PlayStation games anyday.

However, the Dreamcast was really good, and had all the qualities that made the PlayStation great. However, it arrived 4 years too late, and by this time Sony had established its multi-million fan base and had managed to dissuade all potential consumers away from Sega's really nice machine. Result? We all know it.
(PS. Now is the time to snap up a cheap Dreamcast. £70 for a DC and 2 games? Ridiculously cheap. Buy now!)

And it is entirely possible that the same will happen to Nintendo and Microsoft if they don't pull their act together. The PlayStation 2 was, and still is, a much, MUCH broadcasted console. Ask an adult in a shopping mall, and chances are that they have heard of the PS2, if not actually have one in their home. It is totally the opposite in the case of Nintendo and the GameCube. Some people know of the Xbox, but the GameCube? Nope.

A wise move by Nintendo was to advertise the GameCube on the back of the GameBoy Advance box. A+ for Nintendo, as the GBA is one of the fastest selling consoles ever. In fact, if it wasn't for the GameBoy, Pocket and Colour, Nintendo would probably be sharing its grave with Sega.

What is wrong with all of this, is that Sony don't deserve the staggering profits they make. They don't have any good in-house games, and put ridiculous prices on add-ons. Nintendo, while infamous for delays, make great games, with a passion, and always deliver something fun, innovative and truly great. Microsoft have got the heart for the console business. True, in essence they are only in it for the money, but even so, they have got all the backing needed to keep a hydroelectic dam stable, and trust me, thats a lot.

My last point to make, is that Sony does need to pull its act together. There are a very small amount of great games around on the PS2, no true must-haves, whereas the competition have must-have titles available from day 1. Many of the PS2's games are not PS2-only, and exclusive is the wrong word to describe it.
Exclusive = first, not, as many people are fooled by false advertising, 'only on that console'.

The PlayStation 2 is a great console for variety and price.
The GameCube is a great console for quality and price.
The Xbox is a great console for variety and quality.

From every angle, it is a win-win situation, yet many-a-person go for the PS2, merely because of advertisement. For the next-gen race, public awareness is everything. This isn't meant as a rip on the PS2, but it is just showing how Sony has played its cards right up until now, and how not to play the gaming game.

My advice to everyone wanting a new console:

Buy everything. That way you'll have a non-biased view, and can experience all great things gaming.

Remember: You only dis what you don't have. The DC is great, albeit with a massive anti-DC following.

Go on, its gaming, and gaming is great. Have fun with your next gen consoles, and do a little research into what you're buying. Don't fall under the rock-slide of Sony advertising, buy what YOU want, not what they do.

Have fun...
Mon 28/01/02 at 20:49
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Posts: 3,110
Outlaw_UK wrote:
> He'll say Gamecube.......muppet ;-)

I'm only likely to say GameCube because it is true. I am in a minority of people here where I can justify my opinions on the matter. Unlike PS2 fans...
Mon 28/01/02 at 20:41
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"I won the turnips!!"
Posts: 905
X-BOX RULES!!!
Mon 28/01/02 at 20:39
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"I won the turnips!!"
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He'll say Gamecube.......muppet ;-)
Mon 28/01/02 at 20:38
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DrDragon wrote:
> Nice post :-)

However...

My advice to everyone wanting a new console:
>

Buy everything. That way you'll have a non-biased view, and can experience
> all great things gaming.

I'm afraid not all of us have buckets of cash to
> spend. 1/2 pint, in your view which is the best console?

-----------------------

As I said before, I am un-biased. I think they are all good machines. However, I think the one with the most potential to be great is the Xbox, followed by the GameCube, and then the PS2. The GBA is on a different scale, since its a portable thing.

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Outlaw_UK wrote:
> MGS2 - yes on the X-Box but that's just a cash-in.
> DMC - don't think that's on any other console.
> Jak and Daxter - Nope.
> TM: B - highly under rated.
> GT3 - doubt it.
> GTA3 - yes, but over a year later.......

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MGS2 - Not really a cash in, but its in a minority of good PS2 games.
DMC - Great, but suffers from short lifespan. Not really a genuine must have, but a borderline case.
Jak and Daxter - Good, but again short. This is a good game
TM: B - No faults, pure genius.
GT3 - Now THIS is a cash in. I find it quite boring.
GTA3 - An 'exclusive' case, pure and simple.

Now all of these games are very good, but I think you'd have trouble naming a bigger list of games of this quality. I'm not knocking any of them; they're all really good, but the list is small. The PS2 has good games, but that alone shouldn't really sustain the PS2's success.

Still, great post.
Mon 28/01/02 at 20:27
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Posts: 843
Nice post :-)

However...

My advice to everyone wanting a new console:

Buy everything. That way you'll have a non-biased view, and can experience all great things gaming.

I'm afraid not all of us have buckets of cash to spend. 1/2 pint, in your view which is the best console?
Mon 28/01/02 at 20:26
Regular
"I won the turnips!!"
Posts: 905
MGS2 - yes on the X-Box but that's just a cash-in.
DMC - don't think that's on any other console.
Jak and Daxter - Nope.
TM: B - highly under rated.
GT3 - doubt it.
GTA3 - yes, but over a year later.......

Still, great post.
Mon 28/01/02 at 20:22
Regular
"¬_¬"
Posts: 3,110
Ohhhh, the single mindedness of PlayStation fans, it makes me sick. I'm not saying that there aren't Ninty and - god damn them - Pokemon fans, but I'm really starting to resent PlayStation - holics.

Example - "The PS2 is the best console of the next generation"
"No it isn't, it has the worst technology and some aspects are quite flawed."
"Yeah, but it has better games."
"Name some."
"SSX Tricky, Tony Hawks 3..."
"On GC and Xbox, on GC and Xbox..."
"But the GameCube and Xbox don't have good games"
"Halo, Smash Bros., Unreal Championship, Star Wars Rogue Leader..."
"But the PS2 is best."



Oh dear. It seems that people get into the wrong frame of mind. "PS2 is best, and nothing else is good". Definitely the wrong frame of mind. In the next-gen console race, Nintendo has got a great console which isn't held back by complicated architecture, high costs and obsessive anti-aliasing, and the Xbox is everything the PS2 is with that expensive Microsoft upgrade. Looks like this is one race that Sony can't win...

Or can they? Despite being less of a console than the others, Sony have such a massive fan base, and such a massive head start on the competition, that it may just end up to be like the previous console race.

The PlayStation was the technologically inferior console, yet by having such a massive base of cheap, fun games, became a massively popular hit. The N64 had much greater visuals, but because of that unjustified and biased view that Nintendo is 'just for kids', sold appallingly, coupled with the extreme prices. £65 for an N64 game anyone? Nah, everyone with both consoles will go for 2 PlayStation games anyday.

However, the Dreamcast was really good, and had all the qualities that made the PlayStation great. However, it arrived 4 years too late, and by this time Sony had established its multi-million fan base and had managed to dissuade all potential consumers away from Sega's really nice machine. Result? We all know it.
(PS. Now is the time to snap up a cheap Dreamcast. £70 for a DC and 2 games? Ridiculously cheap. Buy now!)

And it is entirely possible that the same will happen to Nintendo and Microsoft if they don't pull their act together. The PlayStation 2 was, and still is, a much, MUCH broadcasted console. Ask an adult in a shopping mall, and chances are that they have heard of the PS2, if not actually have one in their home. It is totally the opposite in the case of Nintendo and the GameCube. Some people know of the Xbox, but the GameCube? Nope.

A wise move by Nintendo was to advertise the GameCube on the back of the GameBoy Advance box. A+ for Nintendo, as the GBA is one of the fastest selling consoles ever. In fact, if it wasn't for the GameBoy, Pocket and Colour, Nintendo would probably be sharing its grave with Sega.

What is wrong with all of this, is that Sony don't deserve the staggering profits they make. They don't have any good in-house games, and put ridiculous prices on add-ons. Nintendo, while infamous for delays, make great games, with a passion, and always deliver something fun, innovative and truly great. Microsoft have got the heart for the console business. True, in essence they are only in it for the money, but even so, they have got all the backing needed to keep a hydroelectic dam stable, and trust me, thats a lot.

My last point to make, is that Sony does need to pull its act together. There are a very small amount of great games around on the PS2, no true must-haves, whereas the competition have must-have titles available from day 1. Many of the PS2's games are not PS2-only, and exclusive is the wrong word to describe it.
Exclusive = first, not, as many people are fooled by false advertising, 'only on that console'.

The PlayStation 2 is a great console for variety and price.
The GameCube is a great console for quality and price.
The Xbox is a great console for variety and quality.

From every angle, it is a win-win situation, yet many-a-person go for the PS2, merely because of advertisement. For the next-gen race, public awareness is everything. This isn't meant as a rip on the PS2, but it is just showing how Sony has played its cards right up until now, and how not to play the gaming game.

My advice to everyone wanting a new console:

Buy everything. That way you'll have a non-biased view, and can experience all great things gaming.

Remember: You only dis what you don't have. The DC is great, albeit with a massive anti-DC following.

Go on, its gaming, and gaming is great. Have fun with your next gen consoles, and do a little research into what you're buying. Don't fall under the rock-slide of Sony advertising, buy what YOU want, not what they do.

Have fun...

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