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Ohhhh, the single mindedness of PlayStation fans, it makes me sick. I'm not saying that there aren't Ninty and - god damn them - Pokemon fans, but I'm really starting to resent PlayStation - holics.
Example - "The PS2 is the best console of the next generation"
"No it isn't, it has the worst technology and some aspects are quite flawed."
"Yeah, but it has better games."
"Name some."
"SSX Tricky, Tony Hawks 3..."
"On GC and Xbox, on GC and Xbox..."
"But the GameCube and Xbox don't have good games"
"Halo, Smash Bros., Unreal Championship, Star Wars Rogue Leader..."
"But the PS2 is best."
Oh dear. It seems that people get into the wrong frame of mind. "PS2 is best, and nothing else is good". Definitely the wrong frame of mind. In the next-gen console race, Nintendo has got a great console which isn't held back by complicated architecture, high costs and obsessive anti-aliasing, and the Xbox is everything the PS2 is with that expensive Microsoft upgrade. Looks like this is one race that Sony can't win...
Or can they? Despite being less of a console than the others, Sony have such a massive fan base, and such a massive head start on the competition, that it may just end up to be like the previous console race.
The PlayStation was the technologically inferior console, yet by having such a massive base of cheap, fun games, became a massively popular hit. The N64 had much greater visuals, but because of that unjustified and biased view that Nintendo is 'just for kids', sold appallingly, coupled with the extreme prices. £65 for an N64 game anyone? Nah, everyone with both consoles will go for 2 PlayStation games anyday.
However, the Dreamcast was really good, and had all the qualities that made the PlayStation great. However, it arrived 4 years too late, and by this time Sony had established its multi-million fan base and had managed to dissuade all potential consumers away from Sega's really nice machine. Result? We all know it.
(PS. Now is the time to snap up a cheap Dreamcast. £70 for a DC and 2 games? Ridiculously cheap. Buy now!)
And it is entirely possible that the same will happen to Nintendo and Microsoft if they don't pull their act together. The PlayStation 2 was, and still is, a much, MUCH broadcasted console. Ask an adult in a shopping mall, and chances are that they have heard of the PS2, if not actually have one in their home. It is totally the opposite in the case of Nintendo and the GameCube. Some people know of the Xbox, but the GameCube? Nope.
A wise move by Nintendo was to advertise the GameCube on the back of the GameBoy Advance box. A+ for Nintendo, as the GBA is one of the fastest selling consoles ever. In fact, if it wasn't for the GameBoy, Pocket and Colour, Nintendo would probably be sharing its grave with Sega.
What is wrong with all of this, is that Sony don't deserve the staggering profits they make. They don't have any good in-house games, and put ridiculous prices on add-ons. Nintendo, while infamous for delays, make great games, with a passion, and always deliver something fun, innovative and truly great. Microsoft have got the heart for the console business. True, in essence they are only in it for the money, but even so, they have got all the backing needed to keep a hydroelectic dam stable, and trust me, thats a lot.
My last point to make, is that Sony does need to pull its act together. There are a very small amount of great games around on the PS2, no true must-haves, whereas the competition have must-have titles available from day 1. Many of the PS2's games are not PS2-only, and exclusive is the wrong word to describe it.
Exclusive = first, not, as many people are fooled by false advertising, 'only on that console'.
The PlayStation 2 is a great console for variety and price.
The GameCube is a great console for quality and price.
The Xbox is a great console for variety and quality.
From every angle, it is a win-win situation, yet many-a-person go for the PS2, merely because of advertisement. For the next-gen race, public awareness is everything. This isn't meant as a rip on the PS2, but it is just showing how Sony has played its cards right up until now, and how not to play the gaming game.
My advice to everyone wanting a new console:
Buy everything. That way you'll have a non-biased view, and can experience all great things gaming.
Remember: You only dis what you don't have. The DC is great, albeit with a massive anti-DC following.
Go on, its gaming, and gaming is great. Have fun with your next gen consoles, and do a little research into what you're buying. Don't fall under the rock-slide of Sony advertising, buy what YOU want, not what they do.
Have fun...
Example - "The PS2 is the best console of the next generation"
"No it isn't, it has the worst technology and some aspects are quite flawed."
"Yeah, but it has better games."
"Name some."
"SSX Tricky, Tony Hawks 3..."
"On GC and Xbox, on GC and Xbox..."
"But the GameCube and Xbox don't have good games"
"Halo, Smash Bros., Unreal Championship, Star Wars Rogue Leader..."
"But the PS2 is best."
Oh dear. It seems that people get into the wrong frame of mind. "PS2 is best, and nothing else is good". Definitely the wrong frame of mind. In the next-gen console race, Nintendo has got a great console which isn't held back by complicated architecture, high costs and obsessive anti-aliasing, and the Xbox is everything the PS2 is with that expensive Microsoft upgrade. Looks like this is one race that Sony can't win...
Or can they? Despite being less of a console than the others, Sony have such a massive fan base, and such a massive head start on the competition, that it may just end up to be like the previous console race.
The PlayStation was the technologically inferior console, yet by having such a massive base of cheap, fun games, became a massively popular hit. The N64 had much greater visuals, but because of that unjustified and biased view that Nintendo is 'just for kids', sold appallingly, coupled with the extreme prices. £65 for an N64 game anyone? Nah, everyone with both consoles will go for 2 PlayStation games anyday.
However, the Dreamcast was really good, and had all the qualities that made the PlayStation great. However, it arrived 4 years too late, and by this time Sony had established its multi-million fan base and had managed to dissuade all potential consumers away from Sega's really nice machine. Result? We all know it.
(PS. Now is the time to snap up a cheap Dreamcast. £70 for a DC and 2 games? Ridiculously cheap. Buy now!)
And it is entirely possible that the same will happen to Nintendo and Microsoft if they don't pull their act together. The PlayStation 2 was, and still is, a much, MUCH broadcasted console. Ask an adult in a shopping mall, and chances are that they have heard of the PS2, if not actually have one in their home. It is totally the opposite in the case of Nintendo and the GameCube. Some people know of the Xbox, but the GameCube? Nope.
A wise move by Nintendo was to advertise the GameCube on the back of the GameBoy Advance box. A+ for Nintendo, as the GBA is one of the fastest selling consoles ever. In fact, if it wasn't for the GameBoy, Pocket and Colour, Nintendo would probably be sharing its grave with Sega.
What is wrong with all of this, is that Sony don't deserve the staggering profits they make. They don't have any good in-house games, and put ridiculous prices on add-ons. Nintendo, while infamous for delays, make great games, with a passion, and always deliver something fun, innovative and truly great. Microsoft have got the heart for the console business. True, in essence they are only in it for the money, but even so, they have got all the backing needed to keep a hydroelectic dam stable, and trust me, thats a lot.
My last point to make, is that Sony does need to pull its act together. There are a very small amount of great games around on the PS2, no true must-haves, whereas the competition have must-have titles available from day 1. Many of the PS2's games are not PS2-only, and exclusive is the wrong word to describe it.
Exclusive = first, not, as many people are fooled by false advertising, 'only on that console'.
The PlayStation 2 is a great console for variety and price.
The GameCube is a great console for quality and price.
The Xbox is a great console for variety and quality.
From every angle, it is a win-win situation, yet many-a-person go for the PS2, merely because of advertisement. For the next-gen race, public awareness is everything. This isn't meant as a rip on the PS2, but it is just showing how Sony has played its cards right up until now, and how not to play the gaming game.
My advice to everyone wanting a new console:
Buy everything. That way you'll have a non-biased view, and can experience all great things gaming.
Remember: You only dis what you don't have. The DC is great, albeit with a massive anti-DC following.
Go on, its gaming, and gaming is great. Have fun with your next gen consoles, and do a little research into what you're buying. Don't fall under the rock-slide of Sony advertising, buy what YOU want, not what they do.
Have fun...
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Or†ega wrote:
Could argue
> cut-scenes are annoying, but the Europeon version will have the ability to play
> without them.
Why would you turn off the cut scenes? The cut scenes are part of the games story. Everybody is moaning about the lengthof the cuts scenes, but what about the Final Fantasy games. I remember playing Final Fantasy 7, and I had to go through a whole cut scene type thing for a good hour. It was just talking and no actual character controlling of the characters. So MGS2 has long cuts scenes, but it adds to the game. Its not like The Bouncer which is probably 1/3 cut scenes.
Could argue
> cut-scenes are annoying, but the Europeon version will have the ability to play
> without them.
Why would you turn off the cut scenes? The cut scenes are part of the games story. Everybody is moaning about the lengthof the cuts scenes, but what about the Final Fantasy games. I remember playing Final Fantasy 7, and I had to go through a whole cut scene type thing for a good hour. It was just talking and no actual character controlling of the characters. So MGS2 has long cuts scenes, but it adds to the game. Its not like The Bouncer which is probably 1/3 cut scenes.
I thought MGS was complete s***e.
BUt after playing the MGS2 demo for a while, i have come to like the sequel to the biggest piece of crap I have played on the PSone.
This game should be wicked judging from the demo. Could argue cut-scenes are annoying, but the Europeon version will have the ability to play without them.
BUt after playing the MGS2 demo for a while, i have come to like the sequel to the biggest piece of crap I have played on the PSone.
This game should be wicked judging from the demo. Could argue cut-scenes are annoying, but the Europeon version will have the ability to play without them.
Ant wrote:
You can make guards surrender, and
> when you point the gun at their crotch or head they will give you a ration or
> ammo.
Big whoop you could do the same in Perfect Dark.
The original game was lame (in my opinion) I really don't think you can call it the best game ever if all you're basing your opinion on is a few reviews and a demo.
But it's up to you, say what you say i'm not gonna deny the fact that it will be a good game but I think they're really has been too much hype for it actually too live up to everyones expectations. PLaystation owners are expecting an act of God, I think a lot of them will be dissapointed (in my opinion).
You can make guards surrender, and
> when you point the gun at their crotch or head they will give you a ration or
> ammo.
Big whoop you could do the same in Perfect Dark.
The original game was lame (in my opinion) I really don't think you can call it the best game ever if all you're basing your opinion on is a few reviews and a demo.
But it's up to you, say what you say i'm not gonna deny the fact that it will be a good game but I think they're really has been too much hype for it actually too live up to everyones expectations. PLaystation owners are expecting an act of God, I think a lot of them will be dissapointed (in my opinion).
I hate all this 'Our console rules, yours sucks' I think all consoles are equal.
PS2, Eggbox, Lamecube, they are all the same ;)
PS2, Eggbox, Lamecube, they are all the same ;)
DrDragon wrote:
> Ant wrote:
> PS2 lacks quality??
Bollards. MGS2 will be the best game
> ever, and it's
> single platform.
Out of interest, do you like Edge
> magazine? They only gave it 8/10. And another mag (can't remeber its name)
> gave it 77%.
>Not the scores you give to the best game of all time.
Ah, but you can't rely on magazines. If GameSpot gave it 9.6, and Edge 8, who do you trust?? My guess is that the people at Edge are impatient, and can't sit through an FMV scene that last a few minutes.
Considering I loved the prequel, and that the demo was fantastic, by my reckoning this game will be the best ever.
The gameplay is truly amazing, very lifelike, especially the AI. You can make guards surrender, and when you point the gun at their crotch or head they will give you a ration or ammo. They will also chase drips of blood they find if you're injured. Now, if it's as emotional, involving and addictive as MGS was, then MGS2 will be a totally awesome game.
So, if this isn't one of the best games ever, what would you say is?
> Ant wrote:
> PS2 lacks quality??
Bollards. MGS2 will be the best game
> ever, and it's
> single platform.
Out of interest, do you like Edge
> magazine? They only gave it 8/10. And another mag (can't remeber its name)
> gave it 77%.
>Not the scores you give to the best game of all time.
Ah, but you can't rely on magazines. If GameSpot gave it 9.6, and Edge 8, who do you trust?? My guess is that the people at Edge are impatient, and can't sit through an FMV scene that last a few minutes.
Considering I loved the prequel, and that the demo was fantastic, by my reckoning this game will be the best ever.
The gameplay is truly amazing, very lifelike, especially the AI. You can make guards surrender, and when you point the gun at their crotch or head they will give you a ration or ammo. They will also chase drips of blood they find if you're injured. Now, if it's as emotional, involving and addictive as MGS was, then MGS2 will be a totally awesome game.
So, if this isn't one of the best games ever, what would you say is?
Ant wrote:
> PS2 lacks quality??
Bollards. MGS2 will be the best game ever, and it's
> single platform.
Out of interest, do you like Edge magazine? They only gave it 8/10. And another mag (can't remeber its name) gave it 77%.
Not the scores you give to the best game of all time.
> PS2 lacks quality??
Bollards. MGS2 will be the best game ever, and it's
> single platform.
Out of interest, do you like Edge magazine? They only gave it 8/10. And another mag (can't remeber its name) gave it 77%.
Not the scores you give to the best game of all time.
Ant wrote:
*Ant sniggers back at Tilta*
I'm not trying too say that the GC line-up is any better than the PS2 line-up, well it is better than the launch but that's another matter entirely, i'm just saying that the GC is not just about Nintendo style platformers.
*Ant sniggers back at Tilta*
I'm not trying too say that the GC line-up is any better than the PS2 line-up, well it is better than the launch but that's another matter entirely, i'm just saying that the GC is not just about Nintendo style platformers.
½pint wrote:
> Game quality depends on Developer prowess. But which
> console gets the good games depends on who's quickest to sign up
> developers.
That's crap! Let's take Rare as an example. They have made very good games - Perfect Dark and Goldeneye aswell as many others - but just because they have made many good games it doesn't assure they're next title will be amazing. As I said it it is the quality of the developer and the innovation that they bring to a tired genre - FPS's are still good but many are repetitive. And if it depends on who signs up the most developers quickest then Microsoft could of signed every company on Earth up 2/3 years ago - likewise with Microsoft. Naughty Dog choose to come to the PS2 because it was what they preferred to work on - and they enjoy playing and programming for the PS2. If Bill Gates sent them a check for £2,000,000 they - may - decline as they have a sentimental bond to Sony - Crash Bandicoot etc.
> Game quality depends on Developer prowess. But which
> console gets the good games depends on who's quickest to sign up
> developers.
That's crap! Let's take Rare as an example. They have made very good games - Perfect Dark and Goldeneye aswell as many others - but just because they have made many good games it doesn't assure they're next title will be amazing. As I said it it is the quality of the developer and the innovation that they bring to a tired genre - FPS's are still good but many are repetitive. And if it depends on who signs up the most developers quickest then Microsoft could of signed every company on Earth up 2/3 years ago - likewise with Microsoft. Naughty Dog choose to come to the PS2 because it was what they preferred to work on - and they enjoy playing and programming for the PS2. If Bill Gates sent them a check for £2,000,000 they - may - decline as they have a sentimental bond to Sony - Crash Bandicoot etc.
Tiltawhirl wrote:
> Ant wrote:
Which means the PS2 has the best
> game in the world, and the
> others don't.
Best game in the world?
Ha ha ha I would hardly call a game
> with 20 minute long cut scenes the best game in the world. Shouldn't you play it
> first before you start calling it 'the bestest game in the whole wide world'
GameSpot have. 9.6 out of 10. And cutscenes rule, because they keep you involved in the game, and it was why MGS was such a great hit.
BEST GAME EVER!!
> Ant wrote:
Which means the PS2 has the best
> game in the world, and the
> others don't.
Best game in the world?
Ha ha ha I would hardly call a game
> with 20 minute long cut scenes the best game in the world. Shouldn't you play it
> first before you start calling it 'the bestest game in the whole wide world'
GameSpot have. 9.6 out of 10. And cutscenes rule, because they keep you involved in the game, and it was why MGS was such a great hit.
BEST GAME EVER!!
Tiltawhirl wrote:
> First party titles
WaveRace: Blue Storm-Looks good, nothing special.
Luigi's Mansion-Not my sort of game.
Third party titles
Star Wars Rogue Leader Rogue Squadron II (LucasArts) Exclusive-Will be excellent, but jo I wasn't having a laugh, I prefered Episode 1.
Sonic Adventure 2 Battle (Sega) Exclusive-Already on DC.
Super Monkey Ball (Sega)-No idea.
ISS2 (Konami)-Never liked the ISS Series.
ESPN Winter Sports (Konami)-Just like Salt Lake 2002.
Tony Hawk Pro Skater 3 (Activision)-PS2
Spiderman (Activision)-Already on PSX.
Tarzan Untamed (Ubi Soft)-No thanks.
Batman Vengeance (Ubi Soft)- Also, no thanks.
Donald Duck Quack Attack (Ubi Soft)-See above.
Crazy Taxi (Acclaim)-PS2 and DC.
Burnout (Acclaim)-PS2
Dave Mirra Freestyle BMX (Acclaim)-PS2
NHL Hitz (Midway)-Who likes American sports game??
Gauntlet Dark Legacy (Midway)-Not my sort of game.
Universal Studios (Kemco)-No idea.
Batman (Kemco)-No thanks.
Tetris World (THQ)-Played it all before.
2002 FIFA World Cup (EA SPORTS)-Enough footie games on PS2.
Ant just for you there's the
> Gamecube launch titles, hmmm don't really think the consoles made just made up
> of Nintendo style platformers.
Certiainly not, but for me there is no must-have titles.
*Ant sniggers back at Tilta*
> First party titles
WaveRace: Blue Storm-Looks good, nothing special.
Luigi's Mansion-Not my sort of game.
Third party titles
Star Wars Rogue Leader Rogue Squadron II (LucasArts) Exclusive-Will be excellent, but jo I wasn't having a laugh, I prefered Episode 1.
Sonic Adventure 2 Battle (Sega) Exclusive-Already on DC.
Super Monkey Ball (Sega)-No idea.
ISS2 (Konami)-Never liked the ISS Series.
ESPN Winter Sports (Konami)-Just like Salt Lake 2002.
Tony Hawk Pro Skater 3 (Activision)-PS2
Spiderman (Activision)-Already on PSX.
Tarzan Untamed (Ubi Soft)-No thanks.
Batman Vengeance (Ubi Soft)- Also, no thanks.
Donald Duck Quack Attack (Ubi Soft)-See above.
Crazy Taxi (Acclaim)-PS2 and DC.
Burnout (Acclaim)-PS2
Dave Mirra Freestyle BMX (Acclaim)-PS2
NHL Hitz (Midway)-Who likes American sports game??
Gauntlet Dark Legacy (Midway)-Not my sort of game.
Universal Studios (Kemco)-No idea.
Batman (Kemco)-No thanks.
Tetris World (THQ)-Played it all before.
2002 FIFA World Cup (EA SPORTS)-Enough footie games on PS2.
Ant just for you there's the
> Gamecube launch titles, hmmm don't really think the consoles made just made up
> of Nintendo style platformers.
Certiainly not, but for me there is no must-have titles.
*Ant sniggers back at Tilta*
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