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highly illigal, but no ones perfect eh?
Has anyone had the mod chip & 80 Gig Hardrive upgrade fitted yet?
apparently you can dump entire games to the drive for faster accsess!
I need more speed! and room for the music i've dumped to disk, only got 32000 Blocks left now! anyone know how much is too much? before it affects the games your playing? may have to buy another XBOX! probably down to a ton by Xmas anyhow
Has anyone had the mod chip & 80 Gig Hardrive upgrade fitted yet?
apparently you can dump entire games to the drive for faster accsess!
I need more speed! and room for the music i've dumped to disk, only got 32000 Blocks left now! anyone know how much is too much? before it affects the games your playing? may have to buy another XBOX! probably down to a ton by Xmas anyhow
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Edgy wrote:
> In owning a vehicle, the risk shouldn't be about whether it will be
> stolen or not.
Why do we need insurance against theft then?
Some one wrote that they wanted to copy stuff across to an MP3 player, another couple of music devices aswell.
If you did that with computer software wouldnt that require the purchase of a couple of licences to use it legaly on all platforms that you put it on? or are you allowed to only use one platform at a time? not simultaniously? (pardon?)
Why does the same not apply to music?
if the same applied then it would be illegal for you to be listening to something on your mp3 if your good lady was at home listening to the original cd? its all a load of legal bo ll ok s.
every one just carry on as you were...
> In owning a vehicle, the risk shouldn't be about whether it will be
> stolen or not.
Why do we need insurance against theft then?
Some one wrote that they wanted to copy stuff across to an MP3 player, another couple of music devices aswell.
If you did that with computer software wouldnt that require the purchase of a couple of licences to use it legaly on all platforms that you put it on? or are you allowed to only use one platform at a time? not simultaniously? (pardon?)
Why does the same not apply to music?
if the same applied then it would be illegal for you to be listening to something on your mp3 if your good lady was at home listening to the original cd? its all a load of legal bo ll ok s.
every one just carry on as you were...
He said it shouldn't be about it not that it is all its about. He is right as well.
I know... I know, c a l m Down. ALL HAIL THE PIONEERS. general chat, see what you think then?
I believe it to be legal for you, yourself, to copy music that you have paid for to another media to listen to if you should so wish.
After all, if it weren't the case, why would Sony shove a feature in their Minidisc hi-fi systems which allows you to copy CDs straight to Minidisc as well as taking the names of the tracks off the CD and placing them as the track names on the minidiscs also?
If they didn't want you to copy CDs you already paid for, for own use, they wouldn't have included that feature.
Back to the car argument. You need theft insurance because car crime is an issue which is fairly common in todays society. But it has nothing to do with the software/music argument. You leave your car outside, some annoying git walks past and takes a fancy to it. They decide they want it so they steal it. The insurance allows you to claim money to purchase another car to replace it. It doesn't give the criminal the right to keep the original, far from it. It just basically helps out the car's rightful owner should the worst happen.
After all, if it weren't the case, why would Sony shove a feature in their Minidisc hi-fi systems which allows you to copy CDs straight to Minidisc as well as taking the names of the tracks off the CD and placing them as the track names on the minidiscs also?
If they didn't want you to copy CDs you already paid for, for own use, they wouldn't have included that feature.
Back to the car argument. You need theft insurance because car crime is an issue which is fairly common in todays society. But it has nothing to do with the software/music argument. You leave your car outside, some annoying git walks past and takes a fancy to it. They decide they want it so they steal it. The insurance allows you to claim money to purchase another car to replace it. It doesn't give the criminal the right to keep the original, far from it. It just basically helps out the car's rightful owner should the worst happen.
No one is actually sure if you are allowed to hold a back up of software/music you've bought. Clearly it is tollerated as the music publisers aren't bothered if you've purchased a CD and then jammed it onto a tape for in the car and for this reason no one has needed to push a case to clarify the law.
The issue is that when the relevant legislature was written (can't remember exactly what it was off the top of my head) things were very different from now. It was intended to be for corporate users to back up bespoke systems as hard drives/storage in general was so unreliable then. Obviously things are different now, so if, for example, Sony were to push something through to a trial on someone claiming to have "back up" copies of games then you might not be as protected as you'd expect. Then again, the situtation is never going to arise as it is far more effective for all concerned to go for the distributors.
The issue is that when the relevant legislature was written (can't remember exactly what it was off the top of my head) things were very different from now. It was intended to be for corporate users to back up bespoke systems as hard drives/storage in general was so unreliable then. Obviously things are different now, so if, for example, Sony were to push something through to a trial on someone claiming to have "back up" copies of games then you might not be as protected as you'd expect. Then again, the situtation is never going to arise as it is far more effective for all concerned to go for the distributors.
Oh, should also point out that there's a world of difference in legal terms between holding a back up and simply copying from one format to the other to carry on using as before. Archiving has always been frowned upon, see the old VCR cases and time shifting versus archiving i.e. you can record something off the telly when you’re out to watch later (time shifting), but you're not supposed to record a series of The Sopranos to keep and watch repeatedly (archiving).
Edgy wrote:
After all, if it weren't the case, why would Sony shove a feature in their Minidisc hi-fi systems which allows you to copy CDs straight to Minidisc as well as taking the names of the tracks off the CD and placing them as the track names on the minidiscs also?
Someone also wrote:
SONY are one of the main companies involved in seeking to prosecute / sue… for the mass of copying that goes on… basically…
Therefore:
If I were making a product that was causing another part of my company to suffer then would it not be a good idea to stop?
They can’t of course because who would buy a product with limited uses when the technology would be implemented by a competitor? They would still lose out, but twice because they are not making the cash from the hardware sales & they are still being pirated too.
AND NOW FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT….
(getting back to the original topic)
Man has since the dawn of time sought to improve things, modifying things to work better, invention and that kinda of stuff.
Why Then is it frowned upon to modify consoles but not PC's?
No one gripes when you install a DVD burner... That with the right software enables copying of films etc.
Stick a chip (not fried or ovenBaked though) in an xbox or PS2 though? OOOOOH NOOOOO not ALLOWED (Legaly...)
Why? Disables copy protection? So?
Turns out that people are responsible for how they use things and no one else.
Like you say, FORD aren’t to blame if you speed and mow down a kid...
Smith & wesson aren’t to blame if you use a product they made in the wrong way? end up with a hole in something? nope...
(But they are to blame if a persistent fault is causing accidents.!!)
Let us modify things and take responsibility for how we use them!!
Who know how to upgrade the xbox hard drive? Where can I get the developers dashboard?
Why would it have to be chipped anyway? Surely the developer’s systems aren’t? Am I completely wrong about everything?
After all, if it weren't the case, why would Sony shove a feature in their Minidisc hi-fi systems which allows you to copy CDs straight to Minidisc as well as taking the names of the tracks off the CD and placing them as the track names on the minidiscs also?
Someone also wrote:
SONY are one of the main companies involved in seeking to prosecute / sue… for the mass of copying that goes on… basically…
Therefore:
If I were making a product that was causing another part of my company to suffer then would it not be a good idea to stop?
They can’t of course because who would buy a product with limited uses when the technology would be implemented by a competitor? They would still lose out, but twice because they are not making the cash from the hardware sales & they are still being pirated too.
AND NOW FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT….
(getting back to the original topic)
Man has since the dawn of time sought to improve things, modifying things to work better, invention and that kinda of stuff.
Why Then is it frowned upon to modify consoles but not PC's?
No one gripes when you install a DVD burner... That with the right software enables copying of films etc.
Stick a chip (not fried or ovenBaked though) in an xbox or PS2 though? OOOOOH NOOOOO not ALLOWED (Legaly...)
Why? Disables copy protection? So?
Turns out that people are responsible for how they use things and no one else.
Like you say, FORD aren’t to blame if you speed and mow down a kid...
Smith & wesson aren’t to blame if you use a product they made in the wrong way? end up with a hole in something? nope...
(But they are to blame if a persistent fault is causing accidents.!!)
Let us modify things and take responsibility for how we use them!!
Who know how to upgrade the xbox hard drive? Where can I get the developers dashboard?
Why would it have to be chipped anyway? Surely the developer’s systems aren’t? Am I completely wrong about everything?
JimTopBloke wrote:
> Am I completely wrong about everything?
Well, yeah. What all this has to do with your Ford/gun/etc ranting I have no idea. It isn't illegal to modify your console; it is illegal to play pirated software. In the States it is illegal to modify your console in any way that facilitates piracy - this is a very attractive position for Sony/MS/etc, but they are struggling to get other countries to take the same strict stand point.
But then I've explained that already. And if you have the developer's dash on an Xbox you do still need a chip as your hardware is different. I expect there will also be differences in the BIOS. However, get yourself sorted and you have an amazing emulation system, as well as the more dodgy reasons. Then again, it is a ridiculous amount of agro, still illegal (even if it is "retro" gaming), and if you really want to go down that route a PC and MAME (or similar) will sort you out fine for retro titles.
> Am I completely wrong about everything?
Well, yeah. What all this has to do with your Ford/gun/etc ranting I have no idea. It isn't illegal to modify your console; it is illegal to play pirated software. In the States it is illegal to modify your console in any way that facilitates piracy - this is a very attractive position for Sony/MS/etc, but they are struggling to get other countries to take the same strict stand point.
But then I've explained that already. And if you have the developer's dash on an Xbox you do still need a chip as your hardware is different. I expect there will also be differences in the BIOS. However, get yourself sorted and you have an amazing emulation system, as well as the more dodgy reasons. Then again, it is a ridiculous amount of agro, still illegal (even if it is "retro" gaming), and if you really want to go down that route a PC and MAME (or similar) will sort you out fine for retro titles.
The funny thing is, we know he's modifying his console to play games illegally.
We know it is illegal in that sense.
I think he knows we know too.
Therefore, the only person he's trying to convince...is himself!
We know it is illegal in that sense.
I think he knows we know too.
Therefore, the only person he's trying to convince...is himself!
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