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highly illigal, but no ones perfect eh?
Has anyone had the mod chip & 80 Gig Hardrive upgrade fitted yet?
apparently you can dump entire games to the drive for faster accsess!
I need more speed! and room for the music i've dumped to disk, only got 32000 Blocks left now! anyone know how much is too much? before it affects the games your playing? may have to buy another XBOX! probably down to a ton by Xmas anyhow
Has anyone had the mod chip & 80 Gig Hardrive upgrade fitted yet?
apparently you can dump entire games to the drive for faster accsess!
I need more speed! and room for the music i've dumped to disk, only got 32000 Blocks left now! anyone know how much is too much? before it affects the games your playing? may have to buy another XBOX! probably down to a ton by Xmas anyhow
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Belldandy wrote:
> But modifying the console to make them IS illegal as is the
> purchase/selling of any mod chip or software which negates the copy
> protection of software.
Were did i say that this wasnt true?
Xbox discs have copy protection, hence by
> making any copy - regardless of whether you bought the game or not -
> you are breaking the law by negating copy protection.
>
> gamezfreak is right, you are wrong once more Robin - a common trend.
Ok, i may be wrong, but i thought that as long as you own the original disk you may make 1 copy of that disk, incase you damage or loose the original one.
Can you give me a link to some were that proves that you cannot, ill find one that proves you can. If there is one that is.
Im not having a ho or nohting, but im in to coppying and the laws about it all and i would find it interesting to read about it :)
> But modifying the console to make them IS illegal as is the
> purchase/selling of any mod chip or software which negates the copy
> protection of software.
Were did i say that this wasnt true?
Xbox discs have copy protection, hence by
> making any copy - regardless of whether you bought the game or not -
> you are breaking the law by negating copy protection.
>
> gamezfreak is right, you are wrong once more Robin - a common trend.
Ok, i may be wrong, but i thought that as long as you own the original disk you may make 1 copy of that disk, incase you damage or loose the original one.
Can you give me a link to some were that proves that you cannot, ill find one that proves you can. If there is one that is.
Im not having a ho or nohting, but im in to coppying and the laws about it all and i would find it interesting to read about it :)
EL ® ö B ì Ñ wrote:
> Nomino wrote:
> gamezfreak wrote:
> Copying a CD isn't illegal if its for your own personal use.
>
> Yes it is.
>
> No it isn't fool.
> As long as you own the original copy, and you make the copy then it
> is perfectly legal.
> As soon as you sell the original you then have to destroy the backup.
But modifying the console to make them IS illegal as is the purchase/selling of any mod chip or software which negates the copy protection of software. Xbox discs have copy protection, hence by making any copy - regardless of whether you bought the game or not - you are breaking the law by negating copy protection.
gamezfreak is right, you are wrong once more Robin - a common trend.
> Nomino wrote:
> gamezfreak wrote:
> Copying a CD isn't illegal if its for your own personal use.
>
> Yes it is.
>
> No it isn't fool.
> As long as you own the original copy, and you make the copy then it
> is perfectly legal.
> As soon as you sell the original you then have to destroy the backup.
But modifying the console to make them IS illegal as is the purchase/selling of any mod chip or software which negates the copy protection of software. Xbox discs have copy protection, hence by making any copy - regardless of whether you bought the game or not - you are breaking the law by negating copy protection.
gamezfreak is right, you are wrong once more Robin - a common trend.
Nomino wrote:
> SONY don't provide hardware for people to copy stuff and make their
> own compilations of bought CDs, they simply sell hardware with
> recording capabilities;
They sell blank cassettes and Minidisks.
> SONY don't provide hardware for people to copy stuff and make their
> own compilations of bought CDs, they simply sell hardware with
> recording capabilities;
They sell blank cassettes and Minidisks.
JimTopBloke wrote:
> highly illigal, but no ones perfect eh?
> Has anyone had the mod chip & 80 Gig Hardrive upgrade fitted
> yet?
> apparently you can dump entire games to the drive for faster
> accsess!
Yes, i have.
Well i have had the chip put in and you can just dump entire games onto the HDD for faster access.
I still have the 10GB HDD in their at the moment, hoping to get 100GB soon.
> highly illigal, but no ones perfect eh?
> Has anyone had the mod chip & 80 Gig Hardrive upgrade fitted
> yet?
> apparently you can dump entire games to the drive for faster
> accsess!
Yes, i have.
Well i have had the chip put in and you can just dump entire games onto the HDD for faster access.
I still have the 10GB HDD in their at the moment, hoping to get 100GB soon.
Nomino wrote:
> gamezfreak wrote:
> Copying a CD isn't illegal if its for your own personal use.
>
> Yes it is.
No it isn't fool.
As long as you own the original copy, and you make the copy then it is perfectly legal.
As soon as you sell the original you then have to destroy the backup.
> gamezfreak wrote:
> Copying a CD isn't illegal if its for your own personal use.
>
> Yes it is.
No it isn't fool.
As long as you own the original copy, and you make the copy then it is perfectly legal.
As soon as you sell the original you then have to destroy the backup.
gamezfreak wrote:
> Copying a CD isn't illegal if its for your own personal use.
Yes it is.
> Copying a CD isn't illegal if its for your own personal use.
Yes it is.
Copying a CD isn't illegal if its for your own personal use.
A nice post Edgy; respect! The law might be very old and fuzzy (and stupid), but the fact is you are not allowed to copy music/software, even that which you have paid for, unless you get written permission. SONY don't provide hardware for people to copy stuff and make their own compilations of bought CDs, they simply sell hardware with recording capabilities; there is a big difference. Using it for illegal activities is the individuals problem.
Nomino wrote:
> OK, so Edgy is squeaky clean, or so he reckons in his post. But,
> anybody can hide behind a PC screen and write what they like. His
> offer to buy me a Marathon (difficult to do that these days given its
> name change) suggests to me that I am likely to find an illegal track
> on his PC.
Ok, if you're being petty, a Snickers.
Maybe you don't realise, but ripping an MP3 off a CD that
> you bought is illegal.
There's a way around that which is legal - licenses. If you use Windows Media Player to record CDs to your PC, you can opt to aqquire licenses, which I do, which prevents the music from being able to be played on another PC or media device (without it being analogue-copied). So all music on my PC, from my own CDs, is legal.
Copying music/software, for ANY reason, is
> illegal unless you get written permission from the copyright owner(s)
> to do so.
Not true. If that was the case, Sony wouldn't provide people with the means to copy their music to cassettes to make their own personal compilations.
So the fact is, almost 100% of users will have some kind
> of illegal music/software on their PCs.
Almost 100% - maybe, but I'm not one of them.
>
> Got any more smarts you want to try Edgy.
Yes, I would like to see how many chicken eggs I can squeeze up your rectum before you cry.
> Some facts:
>
> 1) Chipping your XBox is not illegal.
But playing PSO on your Xbox once it is chipped is - for you are enabling yourself to modify the game, thus breaking your terms of use that you physically have to accept on screen when you first play the game.
> 2) A chipped XBox can play XBox Live!, and with copied games if you
> must know. There are ways and means.
Which are illegal.
> 3) Piracy is not killing the games industry. The games industry is
> killing the games industry. Software sales are in a slump because of
> the lack of innovation, high prices, and constant chruning out of
> sequels that take several years to surface.
The funny thing is, you're wrong! The videogames industry is growing rapidly into the largest and most profitable industry in the world.
Development times are
> lengthening,
Incorrect, unless you work for Rareware.
focus is shifted towards looks,
That I agree with.
and gameplay suffers as
> a result.
I also agree with that to some extent.
>
> I think you'll find that ever since games were a mainstream product,
> prices have been proportionally the same relative to the economy.
Not really - people are earning more (in monatary value) than they were just five years ago. Yet the prices of games have come down quite a bit. For example, many games have been released at lower prices, such as XGRA released at £34.99 and Rebel Assault also being released at £34.99. However, only a few years ago, games such as Turok were being sold at £70!
> Piracy has not affected things one bit in this sense, but rather than
> prices falling, companies use piracy as an excuse to keep prices
> inflated.
Piracy isn't effecting the UK games industry too much. Its the European games market as a whole that is being effected with various pirate games being created in European and middle-eastern countries and sold throughout mainland Europe. When I used to work for the assholes Gamestation, some kid tried to trade in wha the thought was a legitimate copy of Pokémon Jade. Such a game has never been made by Nintendo.
This may be true to an extent, but the fact is, software
> companies are making huge profits from games sales, so don't go
> telling me that piracy is killing the industry!!
Not so - many companies have gone bust despite successful game sales. And considering some games have millions of pounds spent on them, it takes a lot to beat costs. It may only cost the price of a disc to copy the games to sell, but to develop the game costs a lot more.
>
> I would actually go as far to say that it is the idiots who pay full
> price for the games that is contributing to keeping the prices high.
If people didn't, then prices would go up even more for those few who would to make up for losses.
> If people will pay the price, then of course companies will charge as
> much as they can.
There are restrictions in place to stop this happening. I'm sure you'll have heard that Nintendo have had to pay up for various overpricing in some European countries.
> OK, so Edgy is squeaky clean, or so he reckons in his post. But,
> anybody can hide behind a PC screen and write what they like. His
> offer to buy me a Marathon (difficult to do that these days given its
> name change) suggests to me that I am likely to find an illegal track
> on his PC.
Ok, if you're being petty, a Snickers.
Maybe you don't realise, but ripping an MP3 off a CD that
> you bought is illegal.
There's a way around that which is legal - licenses. If you use Windows Media Player to record CDs to your PC, you can opt to aqquire licenses, which I do, which prevents the music from being able to be played on another PC or media device (without it being analogue-copied). So all music on my PC, from my own CDs, is legal.
Copying music/software, for ANY reason, is
> illegal unless you get written permission from the copyright owner(s)
> to do so.
Not true. If that was the case, Sony wouldn't provide people with the means to copy their music to cassettes to make their own personal compilations.
So the fact is, almost 100% of users will have some kind
> of illegal music/software on their PCs.
Almost 100% - maybe, but I'm not one of them.
>
> Got any more smarts you want to try Edgy.
Yes, I would like to see how many chicken eggs I can squeeze up your rectum before you cry.
> Some facts:
>
> 1) Chipping your XBox is not illegal.
But playing PSO on your Xbox once it is chipped is - for you are enabling yourself to modify the game, thus breaking your terms of use that you physically have to accept on screen when you first play the game.
> 2) A chipped XBox can play XBox Live!, and with copied games if you
> must know. There are ways and means.
Which are illegal.
> 3) Piracy is not killing the games industry. The games industry is
> killing the games industry. Software sales are in a slump because of
> the lack of innovation, high prices, and constant chruning out of
> sequels that take several years to surface.
The funny thing is, you're wrong! The videogames industry is growing rapidly into the largest and most profitable industry in the world.
Development times are
> lengthening,
Incorrect, unless you work for Rareware.
focus is shifted towards looks,
That I agree with.
and gameplay suffers as
> a result.
I also agree with that to some extent.
>
> I think you'll find that ever since games were a mainstream product,
> prices have been proportionally the same relative to the economy.
Not really - people are earning more (in monatary value) than they were just five years ago. Yet the prices of games have come down quite a bit. For example, many games have been released at lower prices, such as XGRA released at £34.99 and Rebel Assault also being released at £34.99. However, only a few years ago, games such as Turok were being sold at £70!
> Piracy has not affected things one bit in this sense, but rather than
> prices falling, companies use piracy as an excuse to keep prices
> inflated.
Piracy isn't effecting the UK games industry too much. Its the European games market as a whole that is being effected with various pirate games being created in European and middle-eastern countries and sold throughout mainland Europe. When I used to work for the assholes Gamestation, some kid tried to trade in wha the thought was a legitimate copy of Pokémon Jade. Such a game has never been made by Nintendo.
This may be true to an extent, but the fact is, software
> companies are making huge profits from games sales, so don't go
> telling me that piracy is killing the industry!!
Not so - many companies have gone bust despite successful game sales. And considering some games have millions of pounds spent on them, it takes a lot to beat costs. It may only cost the price of a disc to copy the games to sell, but to develop the game costs a lot more.
>
> I would actually go as far to say that it is the idiots who pay full
> price for the games that is contributing to keeping the prices high.
If people didn't, then prices would go up even more for those few who would to make up for losses.
> If people will pay the price, then of course companies will charge as
> much as they can.
There are restrictions in place to stop this happening. I'm sure you'll have heard that Nintendo have had to pay up for various overpricing in some European countries.
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