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"Bonus would like to concede that he was wrong about the Gamecube!!"

I actually thought that it would be technically better than the PS2, boy was I wrong!!!

Hands up how many Nintendo fans tried to s**g off the PS2 for only having 4Mb of embedded VRAM for the Graphics synthesiser chip. Come on now don't be shy, oh well all of you may be interested enough to here that in an official interview on Gamespot ATI's VP of engineering announced that the Gamecube only has 3Mb of embedded VRAM, and it is no where near as fast as the PS2's DRDRAM, which runs at 800mghz and allows a much higher bandwidth in and out of the chip!!

Shame on you all, now apologize to Bonus, then go read the full interview at the address below!!


http://www.gamespot.co.uk /stories/news/ 0,2160,2088313,00.html

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[UK]Sniper wrote:
Go play Rogue Squadron 2 or something is that
> kiddy?
What about eternal Darkness? Too kiddy for you?

No comment until November 5th. (The release date...)

FantasyMeister wrote:
> Whether it's 3Mb or 30Mb it's still going to have kiddy
> games.

(heh)

*Runs away before the flames start*

Go play Rogue Squadron 2 or something is that kiddy?
What about eternal Darkness? Too kiddy for you?

You like a console, which you have never seen running, you have never seen, you have never held the pad for, more than you like one you have seen, yes you are strange, I could agree with being more excited by one, or more impressed by the games on offer, but you like it more, but yet, you have never seen one!!

I just hope this isn't as overhyped as the PS2.

**zp's hands go over ears** La, la, la laaaa! the PS2 will never better the GC la, la la laaaaaaa!

No like I said before the PS2 is QUITE good and has some good games, some that made me wish I still had mine!

But I like Nintendo and their games, and some reason I just like ti more!

turbonutter wrote:
> The GameCube games look better because it is very easy to code for,
> therefore what you're seeing now is pretty much its full
> capabilities.

What we're seeing on the PS2 however is nowhere
> near what the beast can output, as developers are still taking the
> PC approach to it which is totally wrong.

Remember the marked
> improvement in graphics with the PSone? It'll be the same but more
> exxagerated on the PS2.

I posted something similar to this in another thread, basically the way I see it is that the PS2 development kits aren't too user friendly. So developers will create their own tools to get the best out of the console. As a result we'll see a marked improvement in the quality of the games throughout the life of the console. Also as a result of this games will get delayed.

But apparently the N64 development kit and the consoles arcitecture made it tough to program for, so you'd expect the level of games to rise considerably during the life of the N64. Is this true though? SuperMario 64 is still one of the best games out there, though it was a launch title. Under closer inspection we see that Banjo Tooie (a recent title) is a far biggergame, and graphically superior, so yes, a consoles games will get better as developers have more experience with it.

Mind you, in my opinion the console that kept on pushing the boundaries was the SNES. Compare the look of Super Mario World to Donkey Kong Country 3. The progress was truelly outstanding.

All we know is that the games will improve as time goes by, to what extent, we really can't tell yet.



Oh, and the lack of storage space problem. Mulitple discs?

Bonus, I do feel that 3.5GB is sufficent for any game in the next few years and it as you said could easily be made double sided on both consoles...

Bonus wrote:

No the GC has 3Mb dedicated memory for the ATI chip (flipper!!), and the PS2 has 4Mb memory for the Graphics Synthesiser!!


NewJimmy:


....aaarrrgghhhh POP !

(Jimmys head explodes the arguements are getting far to complex and his weak skull can nay take da pressure anymore)

You're BACK!!!

Dringo, the early Gamecube games will be able to laod quickly because they are using a method of caching the disc to RAM, but once games become more complex and need this RAM, it may be a little slower. Although, the way the games are set out on the disc will also help!! Nintendo did do this very well, but you will see games come on more than one disc for the GC, that isn't likely on the PS2, although it may get to a stage where you have to flip the disc over to the other side!!

turbonutter wrote:
No
> matter how Ninty dress it up they are still sacrificing storage and
> cost AGAIN over their bloody loading times. It cost them last time
> and it'll cost them again.

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