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"DOOM 3 - PC version leaked."

the PC version on Doom3 has been leaked over the net. dont know if you guys know this.

i havent got it but have played it at a friends house.

he had the settings turned down, and it looks great, it feels great, and its really not as scary as people are saying.

really when something jumps out at you, you just jump and then laugh as you shotguhn off its head.

its put me in a great mood for the xbox version.

Stranger In Paradise wrote:
I paid with legal tender for a genuine copy of the game. So
> how, pray tell, is that illegal?
>
> Because it's no different from buying R1 DVD from Play USA or similar
> imports.
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*whoosh*
That's the sound of the point of this post going overhead at speeds to make you wince.

Nobody, except yourself, has raised the spectre of buying outside of the UK. And you haven't mentioned it until this very post.
My original comment, and the ones hence, have been about downloading copies from the net.
Piracy.

Not purchasing in the US/Europe.
Where on earth did you get this from?

Time to add something serious, mainly to Kevstar;

*Do you NEED to backup everything you own? I've got a massive collection of DVD, games and CD's and I've only backed up singles onto discs so I can listen to a load of them without having to constantly change discs. You have to seriously mistreat DVD etc to make it not work in my experience.

Part of the problem though is with the industry themselves. I've bought a fair few import Japanese pop CD's recently and they include various technologies to prevent any kind of illegal copying onto a PC. You can play them on the PC using the on disc player, but not copy them. Realplayer, Windows Media player, even the stuff which gets around CD protection , does not get past these. However, they have made it so that those who buy the CD and own it CAN copy the contents and play them back because the CD somehow installs a unique ID number onto the PC, and the songs will not play back without that unique ID number. The number must be verified online, so fake ID's just will not work.

Then there is the issue of the same companies complaining about piracy being the ones selling the weapons of piracy - recordable media and hardware.

*Games are actually cheaper now that they have ever been, despite higher levels of copying. 10 years ago you'd pay 39.99-44.99 for a new PSone game, go back another 5-7 and you'd be paying 39.99-59.99 for cartridges for the Snes and Megadrive (and they cost more than CD's to make), back another few years and you'd be paying anything from 4.99-29.99 for floppy discs or casstte tapes! It's easier now than ever it has been to get cheaper second hand games, and new games are far more heavily discounted and lower in price despite higher piracy rates and higher game production costs. Same goes for CD albums, they're cheap! I haven't paid over £10 for anything for years now, same with DVD - unless you insist on having new releases immediately you just wait and the price crashes on most titles. Right now you can get 5 new DVD from Blockbuster, all decent films, for £30. That's less that 6 a DVD for something which was costing 20 a DVD a few years ago.

I can kind of understand why people would download piles of stuff for free, but now why they would buy pirate goods because it's valueless - you can't sell it if you get bored of it, you can't trade it in at Gamestation, it's wasted money!

Stranger In Paradise wrote:
> Yeah yeah weed man

Haha, I'm sorry, but I have to laugh at this.

So, as a solicitor Light, explain please how importing Doom 3 from the US is illegal? I bought it outside of the UK for personal use so it does not matter that the content is not rated by the BBFC, the packaging was correctly marked for customs with the correct value listed, I paid with legal tender for a genuine copy of the game. So how, pray tell, is that illegal?

Because it's no different from buying R1 DVD from Play USA or similar imports.

Downloading a game onto your computer, is that copying it onto cd and selling it on? No. Should customers not have the right to make back-ups of legally purchased DVDs for their own personal use, yes, but they don't. Maybee if they gave us the right to do it(like they now do in music) for a small fee we wouldn't have this problem. The fact is companies charge way to much for a game and everyone knows it. Im'e getting my revenge in my own little way. Were not funding terrorists, the laws are. Goatboy seems obssesed with the view all laws are right, wrong.

Stranger In Paradise wrote:

> Yeah yeah weed man, I don't think you're really the person to lecture
> on the law are ya? lol

Yup, I sure am; what with having worked as a solicitor and all.

However, lets leave that aside for a moment; once more, you've missed the point. Goatboy isn't having a pop at you for breaking the law. He's having a go at what a jiggling joke of a hypocrite you are. After all, you spend a lot of your posts demanding tougher sentences for all, stricter laws and controls, and you dismiss any objections as "liberal whining". Yet here you are, admitting to having broken the law. So you see, that makes you a hypocrite in that you demand one law for others, but don't seem to think that they should apply to you.

Do you see, or would you like me to use small words and reinforce the message with rewards of cake?

>
> Actually it IS still technically illegal to videotape television, but
> obviously it's never ever going to be enforced and the legislation
> that causes it to be illegal is essentially outdated. But using
> Goatboy's reasoning of "a crime is a crime" then it's just
> as bad.
>
> And we all know that makes sense.

Heh. But, as I've said and as Goatboy has, it's not the lawbreaking aspect that we're pointing at you and laughing at you for. It's the hypocrisy; you constantly huffing and puffing about the evils of what are pretty inconsequential crimes on an individual basis (weed smoking for example), and raising the spectre of evil commie ragheaded terrorist bummers using the money they get from that crime to fund a bomb attack on your mum's breasts.

>
> I'm not doubting some people who have Doom 3 in this country have
> downloaded it illegally, but you're wrong to assume everyone has,
> because I doubt I am the only one that got it off a US eBay seller
> for a lot less than it costs over here (genuine as well, not pirate
> version).
>
> Really I'm glad I paid less that the UK retail price because IMO it
> is not worth it. Graphically nice, but unless you have a serious
> machine and graphics card you'll never ever see it that good, and
> when you are up close to some stuff it looks pig ugly. It's certainly
> no threat to Half Life 2 because the whole gameplay experience is
> just, well, hollow.

Ah, and here we have the half-thought through justification of just why it's okay for you to have broken a law, but anyone else is a retard or a waster, eh Bell? Since you're having a hard time grasping this, lets repeat it shall we?

It's your rampant hypocrisy that is attracting the ridicule. It's your demands that anyone who behaves in a way that you personally disapprove of be branded a supporter of Satan and his minions, whilst when you do the same there is always a perfectly good reason.

>
> EDIT: If you have Far Cry then that game is infinitely better -
> indoor sections included - if you don't have Far Cry then buy that
> instead.
>
> 2ND EDIT: And it's nice to see Goatboy already embracing Michael
> Howard's call of a zero tolerance of crime in all forms!

And it's equally nice to see you missing the point again and desperately trying to ignore one simple fact; you're being laughed at, and you've made yourself look like the small minded, large bodied hypocritical faecal stain on the underpants of life.

Stranger In Paradise wrote:
> 2ND EDIT: And it's nice to see Goatboy already embracing Michael
> Howard's call of a zero tolerance of crime in all forms!
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Bless, I appreciate it took a while to come up with something snappy and almost witty - however, yet again, you seem to have completely failed to grasp the point of a post.
My "terrorists!" post was an ironic post in the style of yourself, who has frequently held forth on such issues of zero tolerance as declassifying cannabis, legalising prostitution, the availability of harcore pornography, non-payment of road tax etc etc.
If I wanted to labour my point about your Victorian attitudes, I could always cut and paste this from another thread:

"If a person intentionally and directly sets out to maliciously intefere with other people as they go about their lives then I'll happily see them exterminated. Trouble is that just as many people who think that would rather see these people "helped" with holidays, free money, free housing, community service and so forth.
I suggest a national vote on the issue. All those who vote for soft treatement of these people are catalogued, and where possible the offenders are sent to live as close to those people as possible. Give it four years then vote again, we'll get there in the end."

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So I'm sorry Lunchbox, but you'll not wind me up by implying I'm hardline about issues because, as anybody here knows, I've stood against your puritan calls for morality enough times in the past.

Nice try though. All that remains is for you to get huffy, throw the door open and run through it, flailing your arms like a big girl and screaming about it being so unfair and Snuggly's just one of them etc etc etc.

Possibly slanderous?

Light wrote:
> And, more importantly, you don't look down your nose at people for
> breaking laws you don't agree with whilst cheerfully smashing up the
> ones that suit you. Unlike Bell, you're not a hypocrite.

Yeah yeah weed man, I don't think you're really the person to lecture on the law are ya? lol

Actually it IS still technically illegal to videotape television, but obviously it's never ever going to be enforced and the legislation that causes it to be illegal is essentially outdated. But using Goatboy's reasoning of "a crime is a crime" then it's just as bad.

And we all know that makes sense.

I'm not doubting some people who have Doom 3 in this country have downloaded it illegally, but you're wrong to assume everyone has, because I doubt I am the only one that got it off a US eBay seller for a lot less than it costs over here (genuine as well, not pirate version).

Really I'm glad I paid less that the UK retail price because IMO it is not worth it. Graphically nice, but unless you have a serious machine and graphics card you'll never ever see it that good, and when you are up close to some stuff it looks pig ugly. It's certainly no threat to Half Life 2 because the whole gameplay experience is just, well, hollow.

EDIT: If you have Far Cry then that game is infinitely better - indoor sections included - if you don't have Far Cry then buy that instead.

2ND EDIT: And it's nice to see Goatboy already embracing Michael Howard's call of a zero tolerance of crime in all forms!

mattributé wrote:

> I'm a criminal, yes. But I'll pay my dues where they need paying.

And, more importantly, you don't look down your nose at people for breaking laws you don't agree with whilst cheerfully smashing up the ones that suit you. Unlike Bell, you're not a hypocrite.

mattributé wrote:
> I'm a criminal, yes. But I'll pay my dues where they need paying.

I Love your hair.