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Go to the Nintendo forum. Go to the Gamecube VS Xbox debate. (read what i have said and see if you agree)
(i support Xbox by the way)
(i support Xbox by the way)
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Tiltawhirl wrote:
> I really want my Cube back actually.
I have moments like that, but I feel the Cube doesn't offer much enough to warrent parting with my cash again. One console, less cash to pay out.
> I really want my Cube back actually.
I have moments like that, but I feel the Cube doesn't offer much enough to warrent parting with my cash again. One console, less cash to pay out.
Yeh you should know that though, least you have Fable and Halo 2 on the way. Besides i will be picking up a cube in the next year or two, hopefully when the next gen consoles comeout will be able to pick one up on ebay for a seriously cheap price.
I really want my Cube back actually. Not sure why but I've really wanted to play Mario Sunshine and Pikmin recently, shame there really is nothing to match either of those games on Xbox.
I'll refrain from purchasing anohter Cube though, at least till Pikmin 2 comes out.
I'll refrain from purchasing anohter Cube though, at least till Pikmin 2 comes out.
Well I'm trading my GC in a couple of weeks for Juiced and Flat Out, so my opinion is pretty clear.
:)
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I would have to disagree at this moment in time, as we know very little about the next gen consoles. I would aslo disagree about the DS very little has been done you can do all of the features offered on a mobile and or handheld desktop. I feel the DS is obvioulsy an advancement but only of what is already on the market now.
Many developers take years on specs for games, i mean developers are working on games for the next gen consoles now. They have been doing this for over a year now already. Ok, you may find Nintendo put more "care" in to there games, but they will be pressured on future consoles if the DS does badly as finance will become tighter and tighter they will not be able to afford to have the developers taking years and years over one game.
I dont know if you heard about it but the game developers for Jungle SAS i tink its name was a arcade sort of shoot em up jungle game which looked absoloutly amazing. But they had taken over 2 years to develop it and the company went bust, really amazed Microsoft didnt buy them out. What was it called anyone remember? I find third party developers will put very much effort in to a game but wont have as long as in house partys. I belive the in house partys will get longer and will not have as much finacial restraint usually. So i can see why Nintendo can produce some real corkers at times. But i belive the same gos for Microsoft and Sony. Again these are my own opinions and liable to change and will most undoudtly will in the next few years.
Many developers take years on specs for games, i mean developers are working on games for the next gen consoles now. They have been doing this for over a year now already. Ok, you may find Nintendo put more "care" in to there games, but they will be pressured on future consoles if the DS does badly as finance will become tighter and tighter they will not be able to afford to have the developers taking years and years over one game.
I dont know if you heard about it but the game developers for Jungle SAS i tink its name was a arcade sort of shoot em up jungle game which looked absoloutly amazing. But they had taken over 2 years to develop it and the company went bust, really amazed Microsoft didnt buy them out. What was it called anyone remember? I find third party developers will put very much effort in to a game but wont have as long as in house partys. I belive the in house partys will get longer and will not have as much finacial restraint usually. So i can see why Nintendo can produce some real corkers at times. But i belive the same gos for Microsoft and Sony. Again these are my own opinions and liable to change and will most undoudtly will in the next few years.
I disagree, the X-box 2, PS3 and PSP are adding extra media options with better graphics, sound, storage space etc...
Nintendo aren't looking at just adding to existing hardware, they are looking to change it.
The PSP has CD-videos, MP3 and Game system at high specifications. This does not change how games are played, just changes what you do with handheld systems.
Nintendo have a touch screen, voice control, blue tooth type online service, 16 player link up, dual screens etc... etc...
This is a different approach.
Nintendo are a unique developer, they spend years and years and years over games which normal developers spend a year/18 months developing.
Not knocking other developers but that is why Nintendo seem to take more "care" over their games...
They spend an AWFUL long time in the planning stages.
Nintendo aren't looking at just adding to existing hardware, they are looking to change it.
The PSP has CD-videos, MP3 and Game system at high specifications. This does not change how games are played, just changes what you do with handheld systems.
Nintendo have a touch screen, voice control, blue tooth type online service, 16 player link up, dual screens etc... etc...
This is a different approach.
Nintendo are a unique developer, they spend years and years and years over games which normal developers spend a year/18 months developing.
Not knocking other developers but that is why Nintendo seem to take more "care" over their games...
They spend an AWFUL long time in the planning stages.
Dringo wrote:
> Foszy wrote:
>
>
> You said Nintendo had that extra care and feeling for the
> games(etc).
> I was trying to show that many companies are the same, Nintendo is
> not a one off.
>
> The major difference with Nintendo over SCEE and MGS is that Nintendo
> do spend an awful long time making what would normally be simple
> sequels. Take Sony for example, for GT5 or whatever it is they asked
> people what they disliked about the previous game and changed the
> bits they didn't like. When making a sequel Nintendo get a focus
> group and ask what they would like to see, for example, in the next
> Zelda game. Each sequel they take the basic premise and go back to
> the drawing board rather than update and improve the previous
> offering. Each Mario Party for example adopts a different system.
> It's not always the case but in a lot of the major titles that is
> what Nintendo do.
A bit of maket research goes a long way, im sure Sony do more than ask people a few questions(might not seem it but they probably do). Microsoft have gamer groups they have many people who try games they are workign on and give there views on. This is one of the simpler systems they have lots of people who do this for them, its free and they accept anyone. Which i am not saying is not like Nintendo it probably is. I just feel some of the nintendo fans get a little ott about them, many game publishing firms will do the same as them.
> Not really. A put down is something you'll find in a biased games
> magazine. When a company includes criticisms in a powerful speech at
> a games developer's conference, it's something they actually mean.
> Nintendo are also not afraid to respect good decisions by other
> companies - I think Shigeru Miyamoto said he enjoyed playing GTA3.
>
> Nintendo ALWAYS praise Sony's Eye Toy, it makes me sick.
I can see why, toally pointless but sells because the way dixons set it up in there stores so people are really amazed and buy the dam thing.
> Umm you will find the more competition the harder they will have to
> work. Since Microsoft has entered the games market, people at
> Nintendo and Sony would have had a kick up the ass to improve. It
> puts more pressure on them to produce better quality goods. You say
> Nintendo will take risks in hardware, dont you think Microsoft took
> a
> large risk when it came to the actual Xbox, most powerful games
> console to date they did this at a risk of the size which to me
> should make squat difference if you buy it or not i mean i hardly
> move it even when i do its no difficulty.
>
> Not what Mav means. A hard drive and in depth online system is a very
> good idea but it's not the first time it's been used, tho it is the
> first for a Games system. Well done for Microsoft for offering a
> different angle of the industry. The next Nintendo console for all we
> know could encourage mind control, touch and dual screen games....
> crazy free wireless online or something even more drastic... games
> completley run by voice command or something.
Yes your right its not the first time its been used but so far they have pushed the barrier higher theres no doudt about it. It at least sets the sandard for Nintendo and Sonys next console for online gaming. Again the ideas you say mind control, voice command are all pretty radical and no doudt push the gaming industry a lot further forward. But i do belive Sony and Microsoft are looking to do the same thing. I mean what your talkign about is what the playstation was nearly 10 years ago?
> Revolution isn't going to add a harddrive or online system (it may)
> but Nintendo want to change the way we play games... hence the DS...
>
> It is going to be very very very different.
The DS seems a dramatic improvement in the handheld market but the PSP is doing the same, ok Sony seem to be going for more media options. But they to are doing the same just it seems both are going in different directions. Either way i think all game companies are trying and striving to push the games ndustry forward, even Sony.
> Foszy wrote:
>
>
> You said Nintendo had that extra care and feeling for the
> games(etc).
> I was trying to show that many companies are the same, Nintendo is
> not a one off.
>
> The major difference with Nintendo over SCEE and MGS is that Nintendo
> do spend an awful long time making what would normally be simple
> sequels. Take Sony for example, for GT5 or whatever it is they asked
> people what they disliked about the previous game and changed the
> bits they didn't like. When making a sequel Nintendo get a focus
> group and ask what they would like to see, for example, in the next
> Zelda game. Each sequel they take the basic premise and go back to
> the drawing board rather than update and improve the previous
> offering. Each Mario Party for example adopts a different system.
> It's not always the case but in a lot of the major titles that is
> what Nintendo do.
A bit of maket research goes a long way, im sure Sony do more than ask people a few questions(might not seem it but they probably do). Microsoft have gamer groups they have many people who try games they are workign on and give there views on. This is one of the simpler systems they have lots of people who do this for them, its free and they accept anyone. Which i am not saying is not like Nintendo it probably is. I just feel some of the nintendo fans get a little ott about them, many game publishing firms will do the same as them.
> Not really. A put down is something you'll find in a biased games
> magazine. When a company includes criticisms in a powerful speech at
> a games developer's conference, it's something they actually mean.
> Nintendo are also not afraid to respect good decisions by other
> companies - I think Shigeru Miyamoto said he enjoyed playing GTA3.
>
> Nintendo ALWAYS praise Sony's Eye Toy, it makes me sick.
I can see why, toally pointless but sells because the way dixons set it up in there stores so people are really amazed and buy the dam thing.
> Umm you will find the more competition the harder they will have to
> work. Since Microsoft has entered the games market, people at
> Nintendo and Sony would have had a kick up the ass to improve. It
> puts more pressure on them to produce better quality goods. You say
> Nintendo will take risks in hardware, dont you think Microsoft took
> a
> large risk when it came to the actual Xbox, most powerful games
> console to date they did this at a risk of the size which to me
> should make squat difference if you buy it or not i mean i hardly
> move it even when i do its no difficulty.
>
> Not what Mav means. A hard drive and in depth online system is a very
> good idea but it's not the first time it's been used, tho it is the
> first for a Games system. Well done for Microsoft for offering a
> different angle of the industry. The next Nintendo console for all we
> know could encourage mind control, touch and dual screen games....
> crazy free wireless online or something even more drastic... games
> completley run by voice command or something.
Yes your right its not the first time its been used but so far they have pushed the barrier higher theres no doudt about it. It at least sets the sandard for Nintendo and Sonys next console for online gaming. Again the ideas you say mind control, voice command are all pretty radical and no doudt push the gaming industry a lot further forward. But i do belive Sony and Microsoft are looking to do the same thing. I mean what your talkign about is what the playstation was nearly 10 years ago?
> Revolution isn't going to add a harddrive or online system (it may)
> but Nintendo want to change the way we play games... hence the DS...
>
> It is going to be very very very different.
The DS seems a dramatic improvement in the handheld market but the PSP is doing the same, ok Sony seem to be going for more media options. But they to are doing the same just it seems both are going in different directions. Either way i think all game companies are trying and striving to push the games ndustry forward, even Sony.
Foszy wrote:
>
> You said Nintendo had that extra care and feeling for the games(etc).
> I was trying to show that many companies are the same, Nintendo is
> not a one off.
The major difference with Nintendo over SCEE and MGS is that Nintendo do spend an awful long time making what would normally be simple sequels. Take Sony for example, for GT5 or whatever it is they asked people what they disliked about the previous game and changed the bits they didn't like. When making a sequel Nintendo get a focus group and ask what they would like to see, for example, in the next Zelda game. Each sequel they take the basic premise and go back to the drawing board rather than update and improve the previous offering. Each Mario Party for example adopts a different system. It's not always the case but in a lot of the major titles that is what Nintendo do.
>
> Not really. A put down is something you'll find in a biased games
> magazine. When a company includes criticisms in a powerful speech at
> a games developer's conference, it's something they actually mean.
> Nintendo are also not afraid to respect good decisions by other
> companies - I think Shigeru Miyamoto said he enjoyed playing GTA3.
Nintendo ALWAYS praise Sony's Eye Toy, it makes me sick.
> Umm you will find the more competition the harder they will have to
> work. Since Microsoft has entered the games market, people at
> Nintendo and Sony would have had a kick up the ass to improve. It
> puts more pressure on them to produce better quality goods. You say
> Nintendo will take risks in hardware, dont you think Microsoft took a
> large risk when it came to the actual Xbox, most powerful games
> console to date they did this at a risk of the size which to me
> should make squat difference if you buy it or not i mean i hardly
> move it even when i do its no difficulty.
Not what Mav means. A hard drive and in depth online system is a very good idea but it's not the first time it's been used, tho it is the first for a Games system. Well done for Microsoft for offering a different angle of the industry. The next Nintendo console for all we know could encourage mind control, touch and dual screen games.... crazy free wireless online or something even more drastic... games completley run by voice command or something.
Revolution isn't going to add a harddrive or online system (it may) but Nintendo want to change the way we play games... hence the DS...
It is going to be very very very different.
>
> You said Nintendo had that extra care and feeling for the games(etc).
> I was trying to show that many companies are the same, Nintendo is
> not a one off.
The major difference with Nintendo over SCEE and MGS is that Nintendo do spend an awful long time making what would normally be simple sequels. Take Sony for example, for GT5 or whatever it is they asked people what they disliked about the previous game and changed the bits they didn't like. When making a sequel Nintendo get a focus group and ask what they would like to see, for example, in the next Zelda game. Each sequel they take the basic premise and go back to the drawing board rather than update and improve the previous offering. Each Mario Party for example adopts a different system. It's not always the case but in a lot of the major titles that is what Nintendo do.
>
> Not really. A put down is something you'll find in a biased games
> magazine. When a company includes criticisms in a powerful speech at
> a games developer's conference, it's something they actually mean.
> Nintendo are also not afraid to respect good decisions by other
> companies - I think Shigeru Miyamoto said he enjoyed playing GTA3.
Nintendo ALWAYS praise Sony's Eye Toy, it makes me sick.
> Umm you will find the more competition the harder they will have to
> work. Since Microsoft has entered the games market, people at
> Nintendo and Sony would have had a kick up the ass to improve. It
> puts more pressure on them to produce better quality goods. You say
> Nintendo will take risks in hardware, dont you think Microsoft took a
> large risk when it came to the actual Xbox, most powerful games
> console to date they did this at a risk of the size which to me
> should make squat difference if you buy it or not i mean i hardly
> move it even when i do its no difficulty.
Not what Mav means. A hard drive and in depth online system is a very good idea but it's not the first time it's been used, tho it is the first for a Games system. Well done for Microsoft for offering a different angle of the industry. The next Nintendo console for all we know could encourage mind control, touch and dual screen games.... crazy free wireless online or something even more drastic... games completley run by voice command or something.
Revolution isn't going to add a harddrive or online system (it may) but Nintendo want to change the way we play games... hence the DS...
It is going to be very very very different.
Edgy wrote:
> Well I agree - no doubt that if and when it comes to Xbox I'll give it
> a try, but I can't see GTA San Andreas being that much an improvement
> of GTA3.
Everyone seems to love the game, but i dont even like it. Really not the sort of game i enjoy playing.
> Well I agree - no doubt that if and when it comes to Xbox I'll give it
> a try, but I can't see GTA San Andreas being that much an improvement
> of GTA3.
Everyone seems to love the game, but i dont even like it. Really not the sort of game i enjoy playing.
Mav wrote:
> Foszy wrote:
> Ummm Microsoft does that too, im even pretty sure SOny does that on
> a
> few occasions(but dont quote me on it)
>
> This isn't about making comparisons - you asked me what proof I had
> to show that Nintendo care about their games. Microsoft and Sony
> aren't games developers, either. MGS and SCEE have so far produced
> too few major games for their consoles to really care about when
> they're released, anyway.
You said Nintendo had that extra care and feeling for the games(etc). I was trying to show that many companies are the same, Nintendo is not a one off.
> Its called putting down the oppostion taking a dig, all companies do
> it to there oponents.
>
> Not really. A put down is something you'll find in a biased games
> magazine. When a company includes criticisms in a powerful speech at
> a games developer's conference, it's something they actually mean.
> Nintendo are also not afraid to respect good decisions by other
> companies - I think Shigeru Miyamoto said he enjoyed playing GTA3.
>
> Microsoft are taking risks as well dont you think i mean even
> entering such a dominant market by Sony and Nintendo, agree?
>
> Hah! How is that pushing the industry forward? Microsoft jumped into
> the market with bags of cash and the will to dominate. They seek to
> buy companies out and, like Sony, appear to be working on a technical
> behemoth for their next console. Nintendo will take the risks in
> hardware, looking for new ways to play games.
Umm you will find the more competition the harder they will have to work. Since Microsoft has entered the games market, people at Nintendo and Sony would have had a kick up the ass to improve. It puts more pressure on them to produce better quality goods. You say Nintendo will take risks in hardware, dont you think Microsoft took a large risk when it came to the actual Xbox, most powerful games console to date they did this at a risk of the size which to me should make squat difference if you buy it or not i mean i hardly move it even when i do its no difficulty.
Wouldnt you say Microsoft are looking for new ways of playing games, give me a few examples. Microsofts i would say is Xbox Live one of the best online gaming services you will get i would say its new for a games company.
> Foszy wrote:
> Ummm Microsoft does that too, im even pretty sure SOny does that on
> a
> few occasions(but dont quote me on it)
>
> This isn't about making comparisons - you asked me what proof I had
> to show that Nintendo care about their games. Microsoft and Sony
> aren't games developers, either. MGS and SCEE have so far produced
> too few major games for their consoles to really care about when
> they're released, anyway.
You said Nintendo had that extra care and feeling for the games(etc). I was trying to show that many companies are the same, Nintendo is not a one off.
> Its called putting down the oppostion taking a dig, all companies do
> it to there oponents.
>
> Not really. A put down is something you'll find in a biased games
> magazine. When a company includes criticisms in a powerful speech at
> a games developer's conference, it's something they actually mean.
> Nintendo are also not afraid to respect good decisions by other
> companies - I think Shigeru Miyamoto said he enjoyed playing GTA3.
>
> Microsoft are taking risks as well dont you think i mean even
> entering such a dominant market by Sony and Nintendo, agree?
>
> Hah! How is that pushing the industry forward? Microsoft jumped into
> the market with bags of cash and the will to dominate. They seek to
> buy companies out and, like Sony, appear to be working on a technical
> behemoth for their next console. Nintendo will take the risks in
> hardware, looking for new ways to play games.
Umm you will find the more competition the harder they will have to work. Since Microsoft has entered the games market, people at Nintendo and Sony would have had a kick up the ass to improve. It puts more pressure on them to produce better quality goods. You say Nintendo will take risks in hardware, dont you think Microsoft took a large risk when it came to the actual Xbox, most powerful games console to date they did this at a risk of the size which to me should make squat difference if you buy it or not i mean i hardly move it even when i do its no difficulty.
Wouldnt you say Microsoft are looking for new ways of playing games, give me a few examples. Microsofts i would say is Xbox Live one of the best online gaming services you will get i would say its new for a games company.
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