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In light of the recent devastation down in New Orleans, and Bush's slowness in responding with anything other than flying over in a helicopter and hugging a couple of folks in Mississippi, NBC broadcast a benefit/donation show with loads of stars asking for help to be donated.
All goes well, donations come in.
Until Mike Myers & Kanye West do their bit in the studio.
Myers explaining what has happened, the destruction and lives lost.
Kanye West's turn comes up and he deviates from the autocue and delivers an unscripted outburst criticising Bush and the government for not doing anything in a system that "is set up to help the poor and the blacks as slowly as posisble" and pointing out that a third of the National Gaurd are in Iraq anyway, and that "they've given them permission to go down and shoot us"
Myers looking off-camera with a "Help" expression before attempting to steer it back on course, before West delivers his final statement. Cameras cut away to Chris Rock looking unprepared.
This segment was cut from the repeated broadcast by NBC who felt that "one persons comments shouldn't overshadow this tragedy"
Bear in mind that Kanye West was the biggest selling rap/RnB artist of last year and has a new album out to promote.
And he's risked that to deliver a genuinely angry, outraged statement that an awful lot of people are thinking but nobody is saying on the television.
Watch, enjoy and pass along as the largest selling recording Artist of 2004 alienates the Christian right-wing element of America by simply refusing to play along and speaking from his heart.
Outstanding and I'm buying his album purely to support somebody willing to risk **EDITED FOR THE BONUS OF BLANK** minor financial loss in the short term but possible gain when balanced against the projected earnings from previously unaware members of the public who wish to support somebody speaking out on National Television*** because they cant sit back and say nothing
[URL]http://gorillamask.net/kanyebush.shtml[/URL]
All goes well, donations come in.
Until Mike Myers & Kanye West do their bit in the studio.
Myers explaining what has happened, the destruction and lives lost.
Kanye West's turn comes up and he deviates from the autocue and delivers an unscripted outburst criticising Bush and the government for not doing anything in a system that "is set up to help the poor and the blacks as slowly as posisble" and pointing out that a third of the National Gaurd are in Iraq anyway, and that "they've given them permission to go down and shoot us"
Myers looking off-camera with a "Help" expression before attempting to steer it back on course, before West delivers his final statement. Cameras cut away to Chris Rock looking unprepared.
This segment was cut from the repeated broadcast by NBC who felt that "one persons comments shouldn't overshadow this tragedy"
Bear in mind that Kanye West was the biggest selling rap/RnB artist of last year and has a new album out to promote.
And he's risked that to deliver a genuinely angry, outraged statement that an awful lot of people are thinking but nobody is saying on the television.
Watch, enjoy and pass along as the largest selling recording Artist of 2004 alienates the Christian right-wing element of America by simply refusing to play along and speaking from his heart.
Outstanding and I'm buying his album purely to support somebody willing to risk **EDITED FOR THE BONUS OF BLANK** minor financial loss in the short term but possible gain when balanced against the projected earnings from previously unaware members of the public who wish to support somebody speaking out on National Television*** because they cant sit back and say nothing
[URL]http://gorillamask.net/kanyebush.shtml[/URL]
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What if someone's holed up with a chemical toilet and a years worth of canned food and water? Do they have to evacuate them too?
Helping to evacuate New Orleans
"We're here to help you"
[URL]http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/05/americas_the_exodus_goes_on/img/1.jpg[/URL]
"We're here to help you"
[URL]http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/05/americas_the_exodus_goes_on/img/1.jpg[/URL]
I know what you're saying about the whole 'only black' thing... And yeah, there are many other examples of groups being oppressed. But in the case of black people, it is recent relative to most of the other examples given, and also it was relatively worldwide. Probably the final point I'd make, mainly in regards to the women point, is that black people had, and continue to have, their own culture. I don't really think there's a 'woman culture' out there. Culture is generally defined by geographics as it's hard not to participate in a culture you are very physically close to. Women didn't stop participating in cultures just because they didn't have the same rights as men, therefore, broadly women have the same culture as men in the same regions... Because of the scale of segregation, black people didn't necessarily share the same culture as white people.
Sibs wrote:
> munn wrote:
> Well, that would explain why it's only "Ms" Black America
> then, as woman weren't allowed to participate in anything either?
>
> Nah, I think it's just easier to sell scantily clad women than it is
> scantily clad men...
Aha, yeah, I was only joking.
> Well, okay, they don't necessarily 'prove' anything, but it's like a
> show that out of all the adversity that was faced by black people,
> something positive (arguably I guess... A beauty contest...) came
> from it. I think this is more evident with music though, as 'black'
> genres of music developed while there was still a lot of racism
> around.
Which is something I completely agree with, I was merely using it as an example really, because they were the examples that Goaty used. But there are a lot of things which are tailored to black people which would easily be deemed racist if it was the other way around.
> And I think anyone who feels like a second class citizen because
> there's no MOWOs needs to take a reality check and look which race
> enslaved which for hundreds of years.
That's a fair enough viewpoint to take, but it's not one that I agree with.
Fair enough white people enslaved black people fo rhundreds of years, but people nowadays didn't do it, so is this how to make up for it? Of course not. And of course, it's not just black people then that should have all of these things either, because they're not the only group of people to have suffered at the hands of others.
Should all Jews have "perks" (I can't think of another word to describe it) in Egypt because they were slaves back before Roman times? Or how about every single European race have these "perks" in Italy because of Romans, or how about every Indian because they're ancestors were enslaved by the British Empire? Or every woman becasue woman had no rights (and still do in some middle-eastern countries)? Fair enough black people have suffered, but it's not the fault of people today, so they shouldn't have a different set of rules from everyone else.
> Oh, and if a white equivilant of these did exist, I wouldn't
> necessarily think of the events themselves as racist, however, I must
> admit I'd probably think the organisers were racist, because I just
> can't see anyone other than some white pride nazi actually being that
> bothered about setting them up...
I'm getting the sort of feeling that you're missing the point though. These white equivelants are unlikely to happen, because no-one really feels the need for them, but if there was a Ms White America, you can easily imagine the outrage caused (Mainly by fat, environmentalist, Green Peace lesbains) because it's "racist". That's all I'm trying to say.
> [EDIT] - apologies for hijacking the thread for a rant...
I don't consider it a rant though, it's just your opinion, I probably started to rant a bit with the whole "What about this group" thing, but I'm just trying to use it as an example, woman were treated like dirt for a long time before black people were enslaved, and only gained rights a few decades before black people did, (Maybe there should be a "Music Of Female Origin" award, only because it's acronym would be "MOFO" though, why else?).
> munn wrote:
> Well, that would explain why it's only "Ms" Black America
> then, as woman weren't allowed to participate in anything either?
>
> Nah, I think it's just easier to sell scantily clad women than it is
> scantily clad men...
Aha, yeah, I was only joking.
> Well, okay, they don't necessarily 'prove' anything, but it's like a
> show that out of all the adversity that was faced by black people,
> something positive (arguably I guess... A beauty contest...) came
> from it. I think this is more evident with music though, as 'black'
> genres of music developed while there was still a lot of racism
> around.
Which is something I completely agree with, I was merely using it as an example really, because they were the examples that Goaty used. But there are a lot of things which are tailored to black people which would easily be deemed racist if it was the other way around.
> And I think anyone who feels like a second class citizen because
> there's no MOWOs needs to take a reality check and look which race
> enslaved which for hundreds of years.
That's a fair enough viewpoint to take, but it's not one that I agree with.
Fair enough white people enslaved black people fo rhundreds of years, but people nowadays didn't do it, so is this how to make up for it? Of course not. And of course, it's not just black people then that should have all of these things either, because they're not the only group of people to have suffered at the hands of others.
Should all Jews have "perks" (I can't think of another word to describe it) in Egypt because they were slaves back before Roman times? Or how about every single European race have these "perks" in Italy because of Romans, or how about every Indian because they're ancestors were enslaved by the British Empire? Or every woman becasue woman had no rights (and still do in some middle-eastern countries)? Fair enough black people have suffered, but it's not the fault of people today, so they shouldn't have a different set of rules from everyone else.
> Oh, and if a white equivilant of these did exist, I wouldn't
> necessarily think of the events themselves as racist, however, I must
> admit I'd probably think the organisers were racist, because I just
> can't see anyone other than some white pride nazi actually being that
> bothered about setting them up...
I'm getting the sort of feeling that you're missing the point though. These white equivelants are unlikely to happen, because no-one really feels the need for them, but if there was a Ms White America, you can easily imagine the outrage caused (Mainly by fat, environmentalist, Green Peace lesbains) because it's "racist". That's all I'm trying to say.
> [EDIT] - apologies for hijacking the thread for a rant...
I don't consider it a rant though, it's just your opinion, I probably started to rant a bit with the whole "What about this group" thing, but I'm just trying to use it as an example, woman were treated like dirt for a long time before black people were enslaved, and only gained rights a few decades before black people did, (Maybe there should be a "Music Of Female Origin" award, only because it's acronym would be "MOFO" though, why else?).
Goatboy wrote:
> Please clamour for validation and attention elsewhere, this thread has
> remained on-topic and it would be a shame to see it derailed by ego
Indeed.
> Please clamour for validation and attention elsewhere, this thread has
> remained on-topic and it would be a shame to see it derailed by ego
Indeed.
Please clamour for validation and attention elsewhere, this thread has remained on-topic and it would be a shame to see it derailed by ego
lcarus wrote:
> Kore is Celeste, right? The beetch is back.
Icarus, you still hungup over the KFC thread? Lord child.. *hugs*
And, I do believe that was "Celestine." Get it straight.
> Kore is Celeste, right? The beetch is back.
Icarus, you still hungup over the KFC thread? Lord child.. *hugs*
And, I do believe that was "Celestine." Get it straight.
munn wrote:
> Well, that would explain why it's only "Ms" Black America
> then, as woman weren't allowed to participate in anything either?
Nah, I think it's just easier to sell scantily clad women than it is scantily clad men...
> Ms Black America doesn't prove anything either - it only shows which
> black woman is the hottest.
> As for Mowo's, i didn't say there should be Mowo's, but if there
> were, all I'm saying is it would instantly be deemed racist, and
> that's teh problem most people have with things like Mobo's, they're
> not offended that it's only for music of black origin, they feel as
> if they're being treated like second class citizens because if they
> were to do the same thing for white people, it wouldn't be allowed.
Well, okay, they don't necessarily 'prove' anything, but it's like a show that out of all the adversity that was faced by black people, something positive (arguably I guess... A beauty contest...) came from it. I think this is more evident with music though, as 'black' genres of music developed while there was still a lot of racism around.
And I think anyone who feels like a second class citizen because there's no MOWOs needs to take a reality check and look which race enslaved which for hundreds of years. And if people really wanted something like a MOWO, then I'd ask what genre exactly they'd encompass...? Classical? Rock 'n' Roll? Country? Pop? They're all predominantly 'white' genres, so how exactly you'd define music of white origin I don't know.
Oh, and if a white equivilant of these did exist, I wouldn't necessarily think of the events themselves as racist, however, I must admit I'd probably think the organisers were racist, because I just can't see anyone other than some white pride nazi actually being that bothered about setting them up...
Oh, and I go to Uni in London, hence cars are a no-no... Although I think the public transport on the Isle of Wight must be up there as one of the most expensive (well, buses anyway, the trains aren't too bad).
[EDIT] - apologies for hijacking the thread for a rant...
> Well, that would explain why it's only "Ms" Black America
> then, as woman weren't allowed to participate in anything either?
Nah, I think it's just easier to sell scantily clad women than it is scantily clad men...
> Ms Black America doesn't prove anything either - it only shows which
> black woman is the hottest.
> As for Mowo's, i didn't say there should be Mowo's, but if there
> were, all I'm saying is it would instantly be deemed racist, and
> that's teh problem most people have with things like Mobo's, they're
> not offended that it's only for music of black origin, they feel as
> if they're being treated like second class citizens because if they
> were to do the same thing for white people, it wouldn't be allowed.
Well, okay, they don't necessarily 'prove' anything, but it's like a show that out of all the adversity that was faced by black people, something positive (arguably I guess... A beauty contest...) came from it. I think this is more evident with music though, as 'black' genres of music developed while there was still a lot of racism around.
And I think anyone who feels like a second class citizen because there's no MOWOs needs to take a reality check and look which race enslaved which for hundreds of years. And if people really wanted something like a MOWO, then I'd ask what genre exactly they'd encompass...? Classical? Rock 'n' Roll? Country? Pop? They're all predominantly 'white' genres, so how exactly you'd define music of white origin I don't know.
Oh, and if a white equivilant of these did exist, I wouldn't necessarily think of the events themselves as racist, however, I must admit I'd probably think the organisers were racist, because I just can't see anyone other than some white pride nazi actually being that bothered about setting them up...
Oh, and I go to Uni in London, hence cars are a no-no... Although I think the public transport on the Isle of Wight must be up there as one of the most expensive (well, buses anyway, the trains aren't too bad).
[EDIT] - apologies for hijacking the thread for a rant...
What love.
Light wrote:
> No doubt; I can't believe that Kore, for example, is as loathsome in
> real life as she comes across here
Aw.. *tears* I can't believe you're such an ass in real life either.
> No doubt; I can't believe that Kore, for example, is as loathsome in
> real life as she comes across here
Aw.. *tears* I can't believe you're such an ass in real life either.
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