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"Kanye West - My new hero"

In light of the recent devastation down in New Orleans, and Bush's slowness in responding with anything other than flying over in a helicopter and hugging a couple of folks in Mississippi, NBC broadcast a benefit/donation show with loads of stars asking for help to be donated.
All goes well, donations come in.

Until Mike Myers & Kanye West do their bit in the studio.
Myers explaining what has happened, the destruction and lives lost.
Kanye West's turn comes up and he deviates from the autocue and delivers an unscripted outburst criticising Bush and the government for not doing anything in a system that "is set up to help the poor and the blacks as slowly as posisble" and pointing out that a third of the National Gaurd are in Iraq anyway, and that "they've given them permission to go down and shoot us"
Myers looking off-camera with a "Help" expression before attempting to steer it back on course, before West delivers his final statement. Cameras cut away to Chris Rock looking unprepared.

This segment was cut from the repeated broadcast by NBC who felt that "one persons comments shouldn't overshadow this tragedy"
Bear in mind that Kanye West was the biggest selling rap/RnB artist of last year and has a new album out to promote.
And he's risked that to deliver a genuinely angry, outraged statement that an awful lot of people are thinking but nobody is saying on the television.

Watch, enjoy and pass along as the largest selling recording Artist of 2004 alienates the Christian right-wing element of America by simply refusing to play along and speaking from his heart.
Outstanding and I'm buying his album purely to support somebody willing to risk **EDITED FOR THE BONUS OF BLANK** minor financial loss in the short term but possible gain when balanced against the projected earnings from previously unaware members of the public who wish to support somebody speaking out on National Television*** because they cant sit back and say nothing

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I'd LOVE America to have a black president.

With regards to new orleans, I was looking through the Daily Mail on Saturday and the scenes were shocking. Army types lowering bottles water down to people desperate for it. LOWERING?!!

Get down there, share it out, get feedback from people... The US army are like humans dropping a mouse into a snake tank... as if they don't want to get dirty.

This isn't a show. It is reality TV because there's not a news channel not covering it, but it isn't a show.

Okay, so the US government might not have known that Katrina was going to cause as much davastation as it has, but as soon as they saw the flood waters rising they should have ben in there.. Why not get some Hercules planes to evauate people by the hundreds. If they have planes that can carry 10 tanks, then they have planes that can carry near enough a thousand people. You're going to get looters in such a situation because people are desperate: "Mate, i'll sell you this PSP for $50 or exchange it for food and or water!"

The social divide and the class divide is, as has been said, widening. My brother got his hair cut today, spent £10 on that and then another £8 on some fancy hair gel! £18 on dead cells and there's people who don't even get that a week?! Our family is fairly comfortable. We've paid off our mortgage, we have 3 cars and yet, according to reports, if you have ANYTHING in your bank account, you're in the top 20% of the worlds richest people. That's saying something.

You never know exactly what goes on in these high-up governemts, but on the face of things, it doesn't fill you with any confidence.

My mum was attacked by two black people who blagged that she's hit their car and wanter her to pay for it. They were shoting at her not letting her drive off when she was innocent. I wasn't there.. it was just my Mum, my nan, and my two young brothers and sisters. It scarred my mum and to an effect me, considering the effect it had on her. It's probably by chance that we've never had any problem to the same degree with white people. We do live in Solihull (West Midlands) (96% white town), so the odds might not say so. Even so, if that black couple were starving and drowning, we'd still do something... the fact that the process is going so slow is shocking. I get annoyed thinking about it.

Bonus wrote:
> Goatboy wrote:
> keep people afraid of each
> other, keep them scared and suspicious of each other and they'll
> never congregate and say "Hey, you're black and I'm white and
> we're both screwed, something ain't right here".
>
>
> It's as simple as that.
-----

Which is why throughout history anybody that's tried to do that exact thing has been killed.
Ghandi, Martin Luther King, the Kennedies, Huey P Newton, Malcolm X.
Anybody that's stopped and said "Wait a moment, the problem isn't the colour of our skin, the problem is the climate of fear and suspicion. We shouldn't be shouting and killing each other, we should be assimilating and storming the castle gates" has been murdered.
Because the ruling elite can only operate within the myth of "We know what's best, you're too stupid to manage, watch your television shows and work harder at scarcer jobs, suspect your neighbour".
Don't question that though, otherwise you'll be labelled as "communist" or "pro-terrorist" or "anti-democracy".

munn wrote:
> I think it all tends to be misunderstood.
>
> Most people won't mind Ms Black America's and Mobo's (Which can still
> be won by white people surely as long as the music is of black
> origin?), it's the idea that if there was a Ms White America or
> Mowo's, it would instantly be deemed racist, as politically
> correctness seems to think that anything which involves white people,
> but not black is automatically racist.

I wouldn't think these 'white' things necessarily racist, just pointless. Surely the point of Ms Black America is (or was originally, I'm sure now it's used to advertise beer, or toothpaste or cigarettes or something white men make millions from...) that black people were oppressed for years and couldn't participate in... well, just about anything.

What would a Ms White America be proving exactly...? And what exactly would a MOWO mean...? What genre(s) would MOWOs even encompass for that matter?



> Woman are AWFUL drivers.

But (apparently) crash less. But hey, what do I know, I canna drive and I'm 19... Just seems like a massive waste of money to me. Once you've paid for a car, lessons, insurance, test... Well, think of all the other crap you could've got... Then you still have to buy petrol (currently at some really high price due to evil 'turrists) every time you wanna go somewhere.

Goatboy wrote:
> Oh and Azul, if you read carefully, I was referring to myself.
> And language is an ever evolving thing, so making up words is our
> wont and right.
> Nyah nyah nyah

Yeah it was pretty petty on my part
blergh

Goatboy wrote:
> keep people afraid of each
> other, keep them scared and suspicious of each other and they'll
> never congregate and say "Hey, you're black and I'm white and
> we're both screwed, something ain't right here".


It's as simple as that.

Goatboy wrote:
> You can see it here though, people on this forum have said
> "Having a Ms Black America" and "The Mobos" are
> racist towards whites etc, and time and time myself and some others
> have explained why it isn't.

I think it all tends to be misunderstood.

Most people won't mind Ms Black America's and Mobo's (Which can still be won by white people surely as long as the music is of black origin?), it's the idea that if there was a Ms White America or Mowo's, it would instantly be deemed racist, as politically correctness seems to think that anything which involves white people, but not black is automatically racist.


I don't care about it now, I'm more infuriated by diamond car insurance, it's sexism, and if it was "The car insurance company for white people, because black people are more likely to have their car stolen because they live in poor areas", then we all know it would instantly be pulled.

Woman are AWFUL drivers.

I guess a part of the 'solution' from the powers that be - ie those that want 'the poor in their place' is to create a social divide within the poorest in these areas. If they create racism, and make it a bigger problem than it should be, they'll never rise up together. Tell those poor whites that the proplem is the blacks, split there greatest adversary in two, and essential destroy their potential power.

I think it's not so much of a racist issue as a social class divide issue.
As West says before his "George Bush does not care about black people", the flooding has turned into crisis (politically and humanitarian) because of the way the States (and to a lesser extent most of the other Western countries) are prone "to help the poor, the black people, the less well-off as slow as possible".

As it's been reported, New Orleans is a predominantly black, poor area. As is an awful lof of The South, don't forget this is an area that saw civil war in the 1960s against racism, segregation and blacks not being allowed to vote. But there are more and more poor white folks too.
The system there and here is, perhaps unintentionally, biased towards the better-off. Like the reports say, the richer people fled in their SUVs and tourists were evacuated from hotels before residents in their tract-homes. They didn't stay because they wanted to, as I understand, but becaues they lacked the means to leave.
A class-divide that encompasses racial divides, it's a messy melting pot where the over-riding factor is poverty not skin colour. But it's the majority of these people that happen to be black.

But America does have a huge racial divide, again look at the Black Panthers and the Civil Rights marches and riots in the 60s in places like Kent State.
But people seem to forget and think that any residual black anger stems from the slavery issue. But there are far more recent prevelant issues to suggest an inherent prejudice towards the poor, with blacks comprising the greater portion.
Look at the facts and figures of how many prison inmates are coloured, how many blacks are shot and murdered in major cities.
Look at the New York Police's problems of recent times with gunning down blacks, Rodney King, OJ.
It's a hot topic there and this isn't going to ease things. Nor will Bush's response to the situation, leaving it 5 days before flying over in a helicopter looking concerned for the press.

You can see it here though, people on this forum have said "Having a Ms Black America" and "The Mobos" are racist towards whites etc, and time and time myself and some others have explained why it isn't.
Racism is a nasty sore to prod, especially with this virulent anti-immigration culture we live in. The Daily Mail and other rags ply to basic fears of the foolish, make them afraid that darkies will rape their babies and take their jobs.
I believe the victims of the flooding, as has been pointed out, are the poor - not specifically blacks, but the poor.
However, it's far easier to point a finger at rioting nignogs and have The National Guard shoot them than it is to acknowledge that America has a wider problem with social and civil unrest.
There's been a groundswell of anger building since American soldiers started coming home in bodybags from what is accepted to have been a pointless, un-necessary invasion that has done absolutely zero good to anybody but Halliburton et al and their Texas Fuhrer.

But there is no way that America is going to look inwards and see that people of all different colours are angry and unhappy, because the social gap is widening, the gulf between richer and poorer becoming vaster.
The economy is in the toilet.
Jobs are scarce and, as over here, full-time positions are replaced with temp ones that fall just under the national minimum for legal-rights for employees and all other examples of isolating the class divides.
Average Joe is working harder for less, having more taken away and recieving less and less for his hours and taxes.
People are getting angry, starting to point fingers.
But that's dangerous, to have unrest with the status quo - there's nothing more threatening than an angry mob.
So instead of saying "Yep, you're screwed unless you earn over X amount" and admitting their model system of democracy is producing an ever-growing underclass of angry, disenchanted people of all colour - they're pointing at rioting blacks and blaming them.

Poor people need to band together and make their voices heard.
But it's hard over 24/7 news stories blaring from store-front television displays pumping bangbang footage of angry blacks.
Same as here with the anti-muslim slant - keep people afraid of each other, keep them scared and suspicious of each other and they'll never congregate and say "Hey, you're black and I'm white and we're both screwed, something ain't right here".

*shrugs*
Feel free to play semantics

Meh. From what I've read Bush hasn't helped himself or the people in desperate need. Apparently the UN were ready with help and aid, asking Bush if he wanted it, and he turned them down. So I don't think we should be feeling particularly guilty for not digging into our pockets... Yeah it's a horrendous situation for all involved, but I don't see how us throwing money at it will help. The Tsunami was a completely different situation, on a much larger scale and in much poorer countries. America is the biggest economy in the world, and not only that, has turned down international help... All they need to do is get the people out of there... Frankly, the US has the funds to rebuild the area... Whether or not those funds will get gobbled up by something else (War on Terror anyone?) is another matter I guess. The Tsunami needed money to get aid to people, to fund the search and rescue operations, to rebuild afterwards because the countries involved simply couldn't afford it themselves.

With regards to the racism issue, I don;t necessarily think this is conscious racism... But the fact is the richer people could get out before the faeces hit the fan to coin a phrase. The poor had less chance. And the state apparently didn't lay anything on to get them out of there beforehand. Just so happens the majority of the poorest people in the area are black (well, it doesn't "just so happen", but I'll not delve into that right now). But there was some apparent racism... Allegedly white tourists who were sheltering in relatively good conditions in a hotel were evacuated before the thousands who were in the superdrome in appalling conditions.

So I'm not convinced it was racism on the scale some are suggesting, but I think there was some racism in the rescue operation...

[EDIT] - Just read Sheepy's post... Apparently they have accepted UN aid now... At last...

It would be quite ironic 'for the South to rise again' led by a majority of black people, considering what the Civil War pretty much about.

America have accepted UN aid now, the daft pride ejits.