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"Why vote Lib Dem, it's pointless" has been the mantra of pretty much everybody I know.
And sadly I know that an awful lot of people think the same and wont vote for them, despite their gut feeling telling them to.
I'm not voting Labour again, they're no different to the Tories. Who are no different to Labour.
A 2 horse race where both horses are owned by the same stable.
THAT is a pointless vote.
My grandad said it best during the fireman's strike, "Christ I never thought I'd see the day Labour threatened to break strikes".
It's a joke.
Forget the horseshit scaremongering to make you suspicious of any brown-skinned person (We had tanks at airports for chrissakes...tanks at airports, there's democracy for you) in the run up to the invasion - I refuse to call it a war.
Forget the absolute non-reporting on Iraq for the past 6 weeks - seeing Allied soldiers being killed is a bummer, not the sort of thing we need reminding of when the election is looming.
Forget the hike in petrol prices that have yet still to come down despite promises.
This election campaign has been nothing to do with policies.
Apart from the Tories tubthumping about nignogs and muslims trying to live in your mouth there has been zero talk about policies.
The posters have been about trying to rubbish the other person.
It's not about politics, it's not about the issues that affect you and I on a day-to-day basis.
"Vote Labour or tomorrow you'll wake up with Michael Howard" was a fullpage ad in The Times yesterday.
Excuse me????????
That is your election manifesto? "I know you are but what am I?" is the level we have sunk to ladies & gentlemen.
Playground namecalling and insults.
Yeah, I have total faith in you to run a country with adult behaviour like that.
But then we as a nation don't care.
We put more thought into what song we download than we do choose the people that will tell you how much money you're allowed to keep for yourself after working all day long.
More people voted for the Pop Idol finale than did in the previous election.
That is where we're at as a country, that's our intelligence level.
Which is why the posters aren't about anything other than lame Simon Cowell type putdowns.
It appears that adult reasoning and thought has been abandoned for some retarded "Vote for X and they'll kill your dog!!!!!!" chant.
Stupid. Absolutely stupid.
Purely on the Iraq issue - Labour has grabbed your hair, rammed it into your mouth and hissed at you to smile as you gag and tears run down your face.
Distasteful? Not as much as Blair's insistence on taking us to war against a nation that has never, did never and could never pose a threat.
And we, the public, told him that. We didn't accept the story and we were roundly ignored. Remember that?
There has been a silence on Iraq since January, anybody noticed that?
Bombs are still going off, civilians & soldiers (and "insurgents", these aren't freedom fighters because we don't like their views) are still being killed. Lives are still being lost. And it just doesn't make the news anymore.
Over a million people marched against the war and we were ignored.
"WOMD!" "No there isnt"
"45 mins!" "No they can't"
"Immediate and clear threat to us!" "No they arent"
And when that didnt work we had "RICIN DEATH!!!!" on front pages of newspapers, we had central London closed for "tests" on what would happen during a chemical attack. From a country with no long-range weapon capability, no history of ever acting aggressively towards us.
You know the script by now.
"SHUT UP. STAY INDOORS. BE AFRAID. TRUST US. ALL IS CALM. TRUST US. WATCH EASTENDERS AND SHUT UP. ALL IS CALM"
And we fell for it.
Instead of taking to the streets and demanding things change (we did it with the Poll Tax), we closed our doors and cowered at images of be-cloaked "terrorists" being led into police stations.
"WE NEED ID CARDS TO PROTECT YOU AND YOUR CHRISTIAN WHITE CHILDREN"
Yeah, because they work in Spain don't they. No terrorist bombs have gone off in there at all on trains.
Dr David Kelly killed himself because of the pressure of being revealed as the source of Gilligan's story that proved to be true.
And who revealed his name?......*drumroll*...thaaaaaat's right - Blair & his dog Campbell as admitted 2 weeks ago finally.
/golfclap
A decent honest man that tried to say "Wait a moment, this isn't exactly true what we're being told" ended up comitting suicide.
And nothing was done.
Blair invaded with most of the country telling him they knew he was wrong.
And nothing was done.
Taxes have risen despite promises they wouldn't
And nothing was done.
And we know Labour, under Blair, are lying sneakthieves in thrall to Bush
And nothing will be done
Tomorrow we'll have that smiling powerwhore waving at the press and telling himself we love him really.
Nope, not the case.
We just couldn't be bothered to vote how we feel we should, because "it wont make any difference really"
Democracy Inaction.
And sadly I know that an awful lot of people think the same and wont vote for them, despite their gut feeling telling them to.
I'm not voting Labour again, they're no different to the Tories. Who are no different to Labour.
A 2 horse race where both horses are owned by the same stable.
THAT is a pointless vote.
My grandad said it best during the fireman's strike, "Christ I never thought I'd see the day Labour threatened to break strikes".
It's a joke.
Forget the horseshit scaremongering to make you suspicious of any brown-skinned person (We had tanks at airports for chrissakes...tanks at airports, there's democracy for you) in the run up to the invasion - I refuse to call it a war.
Forget the absolute non-reporting on Iraq for the past 6 weeks - seeing Allied soldiers being killed is a bummer, not the sort of thing we need reminding of when the election is looming.
Forget the hike in petrol prices that have yet still to come down despite promises.
This election campaign has been nothing to do with policies.
Apart from the Tories tubthumping about nignogs and muslims trying to live in your mouth there has been zero talk about policies.
The posters have been about trying to rubbish the other person.
It's not about politics, it's not about the issues that affect you and I on a day-to-day basis.
"Vote Labour or tomorrow you'll wake up with Michael Howard" was a fullpage ad in The Times yesterday.
Excuse me????????
That is your election manifesto? "I know you are but what am I?" is the level we have sunk to ladies & gentlemen.
Playground namecalling and insults.
Yeah, I have total faith in you to run a country with adult behaviour like that.
But then we as a nation don't care.
We put more thought into what song we download than we do choose the people that will tell you how much money you're allowed to keep for yourself after working all day long.
More people voted for the Pop Idol finale than did in the previous election.
That is where we're at as a country, that's our intelligence level.
Which is why the posters aren't about anything other than lame Simon Cowell type putdowns.
It appears that adult reasoning and thought has been abandoned for some retarded "Vote for X and they'll kill your dog!!!!!!" chant.
Stupid. Absolutely stupid.
Purely on the Iraq issue - Labour has grabbed your hair, rammed it into your mouth and hissed at you to smile as you gag and tears run down your face.
Distasteful? Not as much as Blair's insistence on taking us to war against a nation that has never, did never and could never pose a threat.
And we, the public, told him that. We didn't accept the story and we were roundly ignored. Remember that?
There has been a silence on Iraq since January, anybody noticed that?
Bombs are still going off, civilians & soldiers (and "insurgents", these aren't freedom fighters because we don't like their views) are still being killed. Lives are still being lost. And it just doesn't make the news anymore.
Over a million people marched against the war and we were ignored.
"WOMD!" "No there isnt"
"45 mins!" "No they can't"
"Immediate and clear threat to us!" "No they arent"
And when that didnt work we had "RICIN DEATH!!!!" on front pages of newspapers, we had central London closed for "tests" on what would happen during a chemical attack. From a country with no long-range weapon capability, no history of ever acting aggressively towards us.
You know the script by now.
"SHUT UP. STAY INDOORS. BE AFRAID. TRUST US. ALL IS CALM. TRUST US. WATCH EASTENDERS AND SHUT UP. ALL IS CALM"
And we fell for it.
Instead of taking to the streets and demanding things change (we did it with the Poll Tax), we closed our doors and cowered at images of be-cloaked "terrorists" being led into police stations.
"WE NEED ID CARDS TO PROTECT YOU AND YOUR CHRISTIAN WHITE CHILDREN"
Yeah, because they work in Spain don't they. No terrorist bombs have gone off in there at all on trains.
Dr David Kelly killed himself because of the pressure of being revealed as the source of Gilligan's story that proved to be true.
And who revealed his name?......*drumroll*...thaaaaaat's right - Blair & his dog Campbell as admitted 2 weeks ago finally.
/golfclap
A decent honest man that tried to say "Wait a moment, this isn't exactly true what we're being told" ended up comitting suicide.
And nothing was done.
Blair invaded with most of the country telling him they knew he was wrong.
And nothing was done.
Taxes have risen despite promises they wouldn't
And nothing was done.
And we know Labour, under Blair, are lying sneakthieves in thrall to Bush
And nothing will be done
Tomorrow we'll have that smiling powerwhore waving at the press and telling himself we love him really.
Nope, not the case.
We just couldn't be bothered to vote how we feel we should, because "it wont make any difference really"
Democracy Inaction.
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Light wrote:
> This will be the first election that I won't be staying up to watch
> the results of.
What time does that happen?
> This will be the first election that I won't be staying up to watch
> the results of.
What time does that happen?
What annoys me is the amount of people that are just too lazy to vote. I was talking to a mate earlier and he was saying how he wants to see Blair go and can't stand Howard. I told him to come and vote with me "no, I can be f****** bothered".
It took me about three minutes. He can't be bothered to spend three minutes of his day to help shape the next four years of his life.
There's so many people out there saying how the agree with the Libdems and agree with their views and methods, if only they'd all just go and vote.
It took me about three minutes. He can't be bothered to spend three minutes of his day to help shape the next four years of his life.
There's so many people out there saying how the agree with the Libdems and agree with their views and methods, if only they'd all just go and vote.
This will be the first election that I won't be staying up to watch the results of; frankly, the thought is just too depressing. Especially coming so soon after the US election.
I'm &*^)ing SICK of smart@rsed little labial rashes coming out with smug, self-satisfied reasons why they won't vote. All in the name of looking more "cynical-than-thou". You wanna look like the cool, nihilistic kid who thinks that "they're all, like, so boring and in any case, no-one has promised to address the real issues" before running squealing from explaining what you think the issues are? Fine, go for it. Lets see how well you maintain your posturing as Blair and co slip another few inches of New Labour length up your brown flue whilst telling you that it's for your own good.
Just get out there and vote, for Christs sake. If you wanna vote for a gurning liar, that's your choice. If you wanna vote for the Transylvanian king of chavs, do so. If it's your desire to vote for one of the smaller parties, knock yourself out. If you'd like to vote for a man whom, throughout the campaign, has tried to focus on issues instead of name-calling, then I implore you to go out and do it. The very best we can get from this election is to have an opposition who aren't basically the same party as the government but with a different coloured backdrop.
I'm &*^)ing SICK of smart@rsed little labial rashes coming out with smug, self-satisfied reasons why they won't vote. All in the name of looking more "cynical-than-thou". You wanna look like the cool, nihilistic kid who thinks that "they're all, like, so boring and in any case, no-one has promised to address the real issues" before running squealing from explaining what you think the issues are? Fine, go for it. Lets see how well you maintain your posturing as Blair and co slip another few inches of New Labour length up your brown flue whilst telling you that it's for your own good.
Just get out there and vote, for Christs sake. If you wanna vote for a gurning liar, that's your choice. If you wanna vote for the Transylvanian king of chavs, do so. If it's your desire to vote for one of the smaller parties, knock yourself out. If you'd like to vote for a man whom, throughout the campaign, has tried to focus on issues instead of name-calling, then I implore you to go out and do it. The very best we can get from this election is to have an opposition who aren't basically the same party as the government but with a different coloured backdrop.
The radio news keeps telling me that Tony Blair and Charlie Dimmock or whatever his name is, that ginger guy, has voted. Not Michael Howard yet though!
I bet he's home, still wondering who to vote for.
I bet he's home, still wondering who to vote for.
Sibs wrote:
> Yeah, but if it got to the 'Finals' and was a choice between Tezza B
> and Mikey H, I'd probably just take a dump on my ballot paper...
Well, if they were the guys who got to the "finals", then the other system wasn't going to be much better. Atleast this way you'd be able to vote for the one who manages to string the most words into a single sentance...
> Yeah, but if it got to the 'Finals' and was a choice between Tezza B
> and Mikey H, I'd probably just take a dump on my ballot paper...
Well, if they were the guys who got to the "finals", then the other system wasn't going to be much better. Atleast this way you'd be able to vote for the one who manages to string the most words into a single sentance...
Goatboy wrote:
> Yep,and what makes me seethe right now is knowing it'll happen.
> Blair's sitting in his office in front of a golden-framed full length
> mirror, lazily stroking himself to hardness wearing a Tony Blair mask
> laughing quietly because he knows we know he's a liar and he'll get
> in anyway.
Hahahahaha.
Yeah, it's a harrowing thought.
But you probably could say the same about Michael Howard if the conservatives got the majority.
> Yep,and what makes me seethe right now is knowing it'll happen.
> Blair's sitting in his office in front of a golden-framed full length
> mirror, lazily stroking himself to hardness wearing a Tony Blair mask
> laughing quietly because he knows we know he's a liar and he'll get
> in anyway.
Hahahahaha.
Yeah, it's a harrowing thought.
But you probably could say the same about Michael Howard if the conservatives got the majority.
Yeah, but if it got to the 'Finals' and was a choice between Tezza B and Mikey H, I'd probably just take a dump on my ballot paper...
What Grix said.
Tactical voting has lead to this corrupted situation where you get two of a kind to choose between.
Heck, it annoys me so much that it makes me GLAD that BNP and Veritas are getting votes (although perhaps because I'm so confident that they'll never get enough to be taken seriously).
If the LibDems do well enough to show that they DID have a chance, then that'll atleast be a SLIGHT moral victory.
I once read a poster from the politics department criticising our voting system for being out of date. It was during the American elections and was talking about how people accuse America's Green Party taking votes away from Liberals and how that's such a bad attitude.
They say that people are torn between voting for who they want, and voting tactically, and a better system would be to have a first vote, where you're encouraged to back who you want, and then the two winners have a second round, so then you get to fall back on tactics (so if in the first round the libs didn't get through, in the second round I'd get to choose between Labour and Tory).
My political friend said that it was a stupid idea, after all that's what they used in France when that BNP type fella "nearly" got in.
I thought that was a stupid analysis of the situation.
Sure, the facist guy got through to the "finals", but he'd've done that well with just the one "round". Infact, with a bit more he might've "won" the first round, and with a second round, atleast the French people had a second chance to get rid of him.
I think that someone should put that forward sometime.
Tactical voting has lead to this corrupted situation where you get two of a kind to choose between.
Heck, it annoys me so much that it makes me GLAD that BNP and Veritas are getting votes (although perhaps because I'm so confident that they'll never get enough to be taken seriously).
If the LibDems do well enough to show that they DID have a chance, then that'll atleast be a SLIGHT moral victory.
I once read a poster from the politics department criticising our voting system for being out of date. It was during the American elections and was talking about how people accuse America's Green Party taking votes away from Liberals and how that's such a bad attitude.
They say that people are torn between voting for who they want, and voting tactically, and a better system would be to have a first vote, where you're encouraged to back who you want, and then the two winners have a second round, so then you get to fall back on tactics (so if in the first round the libs didn't get through, in the second round I'd get to choose between Labour and Tory).
My political friend said that it was a stupid idea, after all that's what they used in France when that BNP type fella "nearly" got in.
I thought that was a stupid analysis of the situation.
Sure, the facist guy got through to the "finals", but he'd've done that well with just the one "round". Infact, with a bit more he might've "won" the first round, and with a second round, atleast the French people had a second chance to get rid of him.
I think that someone should put that forward sometime.
It's the old catch 22... No-one votes Lib Dem because "they don't stand a chance of winning"... They don't stand a chance of winning because no-one votes for them...
I don't necessarily think Lib Dems are the best party, but if they won an election (or at least caused a hung parliament) people might actually stop thinking they have to vote for the lesser of the Tory/Labour evils...
Also Lib Dems say they'll work towards proportional representation which might actually help in getting people to vote for the party they want...
I don't necessarily think Lib Dems are the best party, but if they won an election (or at least caused a hung parliament) people might actually stop thinking they have to vote for the lesser of the Tory/Labour evils...
Also Lib Dems say they'll work towards proportional representation which might actually help in getting people to vote for the party they want...
Grix Thraves wrote:
> Biggest problem I have? People voting Labour/Conservative as
> 'tactical' voting.
ANYONE who does that loses any right to complain about the government. I don't believe in "Necessary evil"
> Biggest problem I have? People voting Labour/Conservative as
> 'tactical' voting.
ANYONE who does that loses any right to complain about the government. I don't believe in "Necessary evil"
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