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"Why vote Lib Dem, it's pointless" has been the mantra of pretty much everybody I know.
And sadly I know that an awful lot of people think the same and wont vote for them, despite their gut feeling telling them to.
I'm not voting Labour again, they're no different to the Tories. Who are no different to Labour.
A 2 horse race where both horses are owned by the same stable.
THAT is a pointless vote.
My grandad said it best during the fireman's strike, "Christ I never thought I'd see the day Labour threatened to break strikes".
It's a joke.
Forget the horseshit scaremongering to make you suspicious of any brown-skinned person (We had tanks at airports for chrissakes...tanks at airports, there's democracy for you) in the run up to the invasion - I refuse to call it a war.
Forget the absolute non-reporting on Iraq for the past 6 weeks - seeing Allied soldiers being killed is a bummer, not the sort of thing we need reminding of when the election is looming.
Forget the hike in petrol prices that have yet still to come down despite promises.
This election campaign has been nothing to do with policies.
Apart from the Tories tubthumping about nignogs and muslims trying to live in your mouth there has been zero talk about policies.
The posters have been about trying to rubbish the other person.
It's not about politics, it's not about the issues that affect you and I on a day-to-day basis.
"Vote Labour or tomorrow you'll wake up with Michael Howard" was a fullpage ad in The Times yesterday.
Excuse me????????
That is your election manifesto? "I know you are but what am I?" is the level we have sunk to ladies & gentlemen.
Playground namecalling and insults.
Yeah, I have total faith in you to run a country with adult behaviour like that.
But then we as a nation don't care.
We put more thought into what song we download than we do choose the people that will tell you how much money you're allowed to keep for yourself after working all day long.
More people voted for the Pop Idol finale than did in the previous election.
That is where we're at as a country, that's our intelligence level.
Which is why the posters aren't about anything other than lame Simon Cowell type putdowns.
It appears that adult reasoning and thought has been abandoned for some retarded "Vote for X and they'll kill your dog!!!!!!" chant.
Stupid. Absolutely stupid.
Purely on the Iraq issue - Labour has grabbed your hair, rammed it into your mouth and hissed at you to smile as you gag and tears run down your face.
Distasteful? Not as much as Blair's insistence on taking us to war against a nation that has never, did never and could never pose a threat.
And we, the public, told him that. We didn't accept the story and we were roundly ignored. Remember that?
There has been a silence on Iraq since January, anybody noticed that?
Bombs are still going off, civilians & soldiers (and "insurgents", these aren't freedom fighters because we don't like their views) are still being killed. Lives are still being lost. And it just doesn't make the news anymore.
Over a million people marched against the war and we were ignored.
"WOMD!" "No there isnt"
"45 mins!" "No they can't"
"Immediate and clear threat to us!" "No they arent"
And when that didnt work we had "RICIN DEATH!!!!" on front pages of newspapers, we had central London closed for "tests" on what would happen during a chemical attack. From a country with no long-range weapon capability, no history of ever acting aggressively towards us.
You know the script by now.
"SHUT UP. STAY INDOORS. BE AFRAID. TRUST US. ALL IS CALM. TRUST US. WATCH EASTENDERS AND SHUT UP. ALL IS CALM"
And we fell for it.
Instead of taking to the streets and demanding things change (we did it with the Poll Tax), we closed our doors and cowered at images of be-cloaked "terrorists" being led into police stations.
"WE NEED ID CARDS TO PROTECT YOU AND YOUR CHRISTIAN WHITE CHILDREN"
Yeah, because they work in Spain don't they. No terrorist bombs have gone off in there at all on trains.
Dr David Kelly killed himself because of the pressure of being revealed as the source of Gilligan's story that proved to be true.
And who revealed his name?......*drumroll*...thaaaaaat's right - Blair & his dog Campbell as admitted 2 weeks ago finally.
/golfclap
A decent honest man that tried to say "Wait a moment, this isn't exactly true what we're being told" ended up comitting suicide.
And nothing was done.
Blair invaded with most of the country telling him they knew he was wrong.
And nothing was done.
Taxes have risen despite promises they wouldn't
And nothing was done.
And we know Labour, under Blair, are lying sneakthieves in thrall to Bush
And nothing will be done
Tomorrow we'll have that smiling powerwhore waving at the press and telling himself we love him really.
Nope, not the case.
We just couldn't be bothered to vote how we feel we should, because "it wont make any difference really"
Democracy Inaction.
And sadly I know that an awful lot of people think the same and wont vote for them, despite their gut feeling telling them to.
I'm not voting Labour again, they're no different to the Tories. Who are no different to Labour.
A 2 horse race where both horses are owned by the same stable.
THAT is a pointless vote.
My grandad said it best during the fireman's strike, "Christ I never thought I'd see the day Labour threatened to break strikes".
It's a joke.
Forget the horseshit scaremongering to make you suspicious of any brown-skinned person (We had tanks at airports for chrissakes...tanks at airports, there's democracy for you) in the run up to the invasion - I refuse to call it a war.
Forget the absolute non-reporting on Iraq for the past 6 weeks - seeing Allied soldiers being killed is a bummer, not the sort of thing we need reminding of when the election is looming.
Forget the hike in petrol prices that have yet still to come down despite promises.
This election campaign has been nothing to do with policies.
Apart from the Tories tubthumping about nignogs and muslims trying to live in your mouth there has been zero talk about policies.
The posters have been about trying to rubbish the other person.
It's not about politics, it's not about the issues that affect you and I on a day-to-day basis.
"Vote Labour or tomorrow you'll wake up with Michael Howard" was a fullpage ad in The Times yesterday.
Excuse me????????
That is your election manifesto? "I know you are but what am I?" is the level we have sunk to ladies & gentlemen.
Playground namecalling and insults.
Yeah, I have total faith in you to run a country with adult behaviour like that.
But then we as a nation don't care.
We put more thought into what song we download than we do choose the people that will tell you how much money you're allowed to keep for yourself after working all day long.
More people voted for the Pop Idol finale than did in the previous election.
That is where we're at as a country, that's our intelligence level.
Which is why the posters aren't about anything other than lame Simon Cowell type putdowns.
It appears that adult reasoning and thought has been abandoned for some retarded "Vote for X and they'll kill your dog!!!!!!" chant.
Stupid. Absolutely stupid.
Purely on the Iraq issue - Labour has grabbed your hair, rammed it into your mouth and hissed at you to smile as you gag and tears run down your face.
Distasteful? Not as much as Blair's insistence on taking us to war against a nation that has never, did never and could never pose a threat.
And we, the public, told him that. We didn't accept the story and we were roundly ignored. Remember that?
There has been a silence on Iraq since January, anybody noticed that?
Bombs are still going off, civilians & soldiers (and "insurgents", these aren't freedom fighters because we don't like their views) are still being killed. Lives are still being lost. And it just doesn't make the news anymore.
Over a million people marched against the war and we were ignored.
"WOMD!" "No there isnt"
"45 mins!" "No they can't"
"Immediate and clear threat to us!" "No they arent"
And when that didnt work we had "RICIN DEATH!!!!" on front pages of newspapers, we had central London closed for "tests" on what would happen during a chemical attack. From a country with no long-range weapon capability, no history of ever acting aggressively towards us.
You know the script by now.
"SHUT UP. STAY INDOORS. BE AFRAID. TRUST US. ALL IS CALM. TRUST US. WATCH EASTENDERS AND SHUT UP. ALL IS CALM"
And we fell for it.
Instead of taking to the streets and demanding things change (we did it with the Poll Tax), we closed our doors and cowered at images of be-cloaked "terrorists" being led into police stations.
"WE NEED ID CARDS TO PROTECT YOU AND YOUR CHRISTIAN WHITE CHILDREN"
Yeah, because they work in Spain don't they. No terrorist bombs have gone off in there at all on trains.
Dr David Kelly killed himself because of the pressure of being revealed as the source of Gilligan's story that proved to be true.
And who revealed his name?......*drumroll*...thaaaaaat's right - Blair & his dog Campbell as admitted 2 weeks ago finally.
/golfclap
A decent honest man that tried to say "Wait a moment, this isn't exactly true what we're being told" ended up comitting suicide.
And nothing was done.
Blair invaded with most of the country telling him they knew he was wrong.
And nothing was done.
Taxes have risen despite promises they wouldn't
And nothing was done.
And we know Labour, under Blair, are lying sneakthieves in thrall to Bush
And nothing will be done
Tomorrow we'll have that smiling powerwhore waving at the press and telling himself we love him really.
Nope, not the case.
We just couldn't be bothered to vote how we feel we should, because "it wont make any difference really"
Democracy Inaction.
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Yeah he's right.
There should be a "None of the above" box :P
There should be a "None of the above" box :P
Mumbai Duck wrote:
> Are you sure about that?
Yup.
> Are you sure about that?
Yup.
Light wrote:
> If you really think no-one suits your beliefs, turn up and write
> "you're all a bunch of cocksocks" on the paper. Counts as a
> spoiled paper, and spoiled papers are counted and tallied.
Are you sure about that?
> If you really think no-one suits your beliefs, turn up and write
> "you're all a bunch of cocksocks" on the paper. Counts as a
> spoiled paper, and spoiled papers are counted and tallied.
Are you sure about that?
monkey_man wrote:
> Immigration isn't really a key point for me - it's been overblown in
> the papers. Education and money are what really count. Lib Dems
> want to take untrained teachers out of the classroom. This is bad,
> very bad, as many teachers earn their stripes/PGCE through training
> schemes in the classroom (Mrs monkey_man is doing this, so I'm a bit
> biased).
I believe they're referring to Classroom Assistants, rather than trainee teachers.
> Also with the abolition of tuition fees: where's the money
> going to come from for equipment?
The higher rate of income tax on those earnings over £100K, plus the revised local income tax that will replace Council Tax.
>
> I'm honestly stumped. If I abstain, then I have no right to comment
> on how the country is being run over the next four years. Labour are
> sure to win though, right? So maybe it'll be my little secret whether
> I voted or not.
If you really think no-one suits your beliefs, turn up and write "you're all a bunch of cocksocks" on the paper. Counts as a spoiled paper, and spoiled papers are counted and tallied.
Labour are only sure to win if enough people vote for them.
>
> EDIT: And as for the Iraq thing - isn't that what the UN is for? Why
> couldn't the US and UK leave it a few more months until the UN got fed
> up too?
Because it was an invasion about oil?
> Immigration isn't really a key point for me - it's been overblown in
> the papers. Education and money are what really count. Lib Dems
> want to take untrained teachers out of the classroom. This is bad,
> very bad, as many teachers earn their stripes/PGCE through training
> schemes in the classroom (Mrs monkey_man is doing this, so I'm a bit
> biased).
I believe they're referring to Classroom Assistants, rather than trainee teachers.
> Also with the abolition of tuition fees: where's the money
> going to come from for equipment?
The higher rate of income tax on those earnings over £100K, plus the revised local income tax that will replace Council Tax.
>
> I'm honestly stumped. If I abstain, then I have no right to comment
> on how the country is being run over the next four years. Labour are
> sure to win though, right? So maybe it'll be my little secret whether
> I voted or not.
If you really think no-one suits your beliefs, turn up and write "you're all a bunch of cocksocks" on the paper. Counts as a spoiled paper, and spoiled papers are counted and tallied.
Labour are only sure to win if enough people vote for them.
>
> EDIT: And as for the Iraq thing - isn't that what the UN is for? Why
> couldn't the US and UK leave it a few more months until the UN got fed
> up too?
Because it was an invasion about oil?
I'm still undecided, and the clock is ticking!
It's either Conservative or Lib Dems, neither I'm completely enthralled with, but they're the only alternative to Labour. Not keen on Cons approach to immigration - seems a bit of overkill, what with border police, but I'm sure that's to appeal to the Kilroy in us all. Lib Dems are making lots of wild promises that take a lot of money to perform. Can they pull it off? I don't think they can without other areas of the economy suffering.
Immigration isn't really a key point for me - it's been overblown in the papers. Education and money are what really count. Lib Dems want to take untrained teachers out of the classroom. This is bad, very bad, as many teachers earn their stripes/PGCE through training schemes in the classroom (Mrs monkey_man is doing this, so I'm a bit biased). Also with the abolition of tuition fees: where's the money going to come from for equipment? Only the Lib Dems opposed the Iraq 'invasion', but at least the Cons gave a decent reason for supporting it.
I'm honestly stumped. If I abstain, then I have no right to comment on how the country is being run over the next four years. Labour are sure to win though, right? So maybe it'll be my little secret whether I voted or not.
EDIT: And as for the Iraq thing - isn't that what the UN is for? Why couldn't the US and UK leave it a few more months until the UN got fed up too?
It's either Conservative or Lib Dems, neither I'm completely enthralled with, but they're the only alternative to Labour. Not keen on Cons approach to immigration - seems a bit of overkill, what with border police, but I'm sure that's to appeal to the Kilroy in us all. Lib Dems are making lots of wild promises that take a lot of money to perform. Can they pull it off? I don't think they can without other areas of the economy suffering.
Immigration isn't really a key point for me - it's been overblown in the papers. Education and money are what really count. Lib Dems want to take untrained teachers out of the classroom. This is bad, very bad, as many teachers earn their stripes/PGCE through training schemes in the classroom (Mrs monkey_man is doing this, so I'm a bit biased). Also with the abolition of tuition fees: where's the money going to come from for equipment? Only the Lib Dems opposed the Iraq 'invasion', but at least the Cons gave a decent reason for supporting it.
I'm honestly stumped. If I abstain, then I have no right to comment on how the country is being run over the next four years. Labour are sure to win though, right? So maybe it'll be my little secret whether I voted or not.
EDIT: And as for the Iraq thing - isn't that what the UN is for? Why couldn't the US and UK leave it a few more months until the UN got fed up too?
Goatboy wrote:
> More people voted for the Pop Idol finale than did in the previous
> election.
Have you a link to these figures, as I'd very much like to look into this.
> More people voted for the Pop Idol finale than did in the previous
> election.
Have you a link to these figures, as I'd very much like to look into this.
Although I'm 3 months exactly too young to vote, I did at first appreciate the Lib Dems as they didn't just moan about Iraq all the time.
But over the past couple of weeks, every single one of the Lib Dems Election Broadcasts has been whining about Blair lying, and the Tories going along with it.
To be honest, I'd vote Green. Or maybe Conservative, but only because I feel John Baron is doing a very good job over here in Billericay.
But over the past couple of weeks, every single one of the Lib Dems Election Broadcasts has been whining about Blair lying, and the Tories going along with it.
To be honest, I'd vote Green. Or maybe Conservative, but only because I feel John Baron is doing a very good job over here in Billericay.
*Was expecting Goatboy to mention the news reports of that bomb that cracked a window at the British Embassy, NY*
I may be unemployed, but I don't think I can stay up that late. I'll just wait until the morning I think.
CDouch wrote:
> What time does that happen?
Usually the 1st result comes through from Sunderland at about 10.45. And it carries on overnight; usually one can tell which way the wind is blowing by about 3 or 4 am.
> What time does that happen?
Usually the 1st result comes through from Sunderland at about 10.45. And it carries on overnight; usually one can tell which way the wind is blowing by about 3 or 4 am.
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