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"Why vote Lib Dem, it's pointless" has been the mantra of pretty much everybody I know.
And sadly I know that an awful lot of people think the same and wont vote for them, despite their gut feeling telling them to.
I'm not voting Labour again, they're no different to the Tories. Who are no different to Labour.
A 2 horse race where both horses are owned by the same stable.
THAT is a pointless vote.
My grandad said it best during the fireman's strike, "Christ I never thought I'd see the day Labour threatened to break strikes".
It's a joke.
Forget the horseshit scaremongering to make you suspicious of any brown-skinned person (We had tanks at airports for chrissakes...tanks at airports, there's democracy for you) in the run up to the invasion - I refuse to call it a war.
Forget the absolute non-reporting on Iraq for the past 6 weeks - seeing Allied soldiers being killed is a bummer, not the sort of thing we need reminding of when the election is looming.
Forget the hike in petrol prices that have yet still to come down despite promises.
This election campaign has been nothing to do with policies.
Apart from the Tories tubthumping about nignogs and muslims trying to live in your mouth there has been zero talk about policies.
The posters have been about trying to rubbish the other person.
It's not about politics, it's not about the issues that affect you and I on a day-to-day basis.
"Vote Labour or tomorrow you'll wake up with Michael Howard" was a fullpage ad in The Times yesterday.
Excuse me????????
That is your election manifesto? "I know you are but what am I?" is the level we have sunk to ladies & gentlemen.
Playground namecalling and insults.
Yeah, I have total faith in you to run a country with adult behaviour like that.
But then we as a nation don't care.
We put more thought into what song we download than we do choose the people that will tell you how much money you're allowed to keep for yourself after working all day long.
More people voted for the Pop Idol finale than did in the previous election.
That is where we're at as a country, that's our intelligence level.
Which is why the posters aren't about anything other than lame Simon Cowell type putdowns.
It appears that adult reasoning and thought has been abandoned for some retarded "Vote for X and they'll kill your dog!!!!!!" chant.
Stupid. Absolutely stupid.
Purely on the Iraq issue - Labour has grabbed your hair, rammed it into your mouth and hissed at you to smile as you gag and tears run down your face.
Distasteful? Not as much as Blair's insistence on taking us to war against a nation that has never, did never and could never pose a threat.
And we, the public, told him that. We didn't accept the story and we were roundly ignored. Remember that?
There has been a silence on Iraq since January, anybody noticed that?
Bombs are still going off, civilians & soldiers (and "insurgents", these aren't freedom fighters because we don't like their views) are still being killed. Lives are still being lost. And it just doesn't make the news anymore.
Over a million people marched against the war and we were ignored.
"WOMD!" "No there isnt"
"45 mins!" "No they can't"
"Immediate and clear threat to us!" "No they arent"
And when that didnt work we had "RICIN DEATH!!!!" on front pages of newspapers, we had central London closed for "tests" on what would happen during a chemical attack. From a country with no long-range weapon capability, no history of ever acting aggressively towards us.
You know the script by now.
"SHUT UP. STAY INDOORS. BE AFRAID. TRUST US. ALL IS CALM. TRUST US. WATCH EASTENDERS AND SHUT UP. ALL IS CALM"
And we fell for it.
Instead of taking to the streets and demanding things change (we did it with the Poll Tax), we closed our doors and cowered at images of be-cloaked "terrorists" being led into police stations.
"WE NEED ID CARDS TO PROTECT YOU AND YOUR CHRISTIAN WHITE CHILDREN"
Yeah, because they work in Spain don't they. No terrorist bombs have gone off in there at all on trains.
Dr David Kelly killed himself because of the pressure of being revealed as the source of Gilligan's story that proved to be true.
And who revealed his name?......*drumroll*...thaaaaaat's right - Blair & his dog Campbell as admitted 2 weeks ago finally.
/golfclap
A decent honest man that tried to say "Wait a moment, this isn't exactly true what we're being told" ended up comitting suicide.
And nothing was done.
Blair invaded with most of the country telling him they knew he was wrong.
And nothing was done.
Taxes have risen despite promises they wouldn't
And nothing was done.
And we know Labour, under Blair, are lying sneakthieves in thrall to Bush
And nothing will be done
Tomorrow we'll have that smiling powerwhore waving at the press and telling himself we love him really.
Nope, not the case.
We just couldn't be bothered to vote how we feel we should, because "it wont make any difference really"
Democracy Inaction.
And sadly I know that an awful lot of people think the same and wont vote for them, despite their gut feeling telling them to.
I'm not voting Labour again, they're no different to the Tories. Who are no different to Labour.
A 2 horse race where both horses are owned by the same stable.
THAT is a pointless vote.
My grandad said it best during the fireman's strike, "Christ I never thought I'd see the day Labour threatened to break strikes".
It's a joke.
Forget the horseshit scaremongering to make you suspicious of any brown-skinned person (We had tanks at airports for chrissakes...tanks at airports, there's democracy for you) in the run up to the invasion - I refuse to call it a war.
Forget the absolute non-reporting on Iraq for the past 6 weeks - seeing Allied soldiers being killed is a bummer, not the sort of thing we need reminding of when the election is looming.
Forget the hike in petrol prices that have yet still to come down despite promises.
This election campaign has been nothing to do with policies.
Apart from the Tories tubthumping about nignogs and muslims trying to live in your mouth there has been zero talk about policies.
The posters have been about trying to rubbish the other person.
It's not about politics, it's not about the issues that affect you and I on a day-to-day basis.
"Vote Labour or tomorrow you'll wake up with Michael Howard" was a fullpage ad in The Times yesterday.
Excuse me????????
That is your election manifesto? "I know you are but what am I?" is the level we have sunk to ladies & gentlemen.
Playground namecalling and insults.
Yeah, I have total faith in you to run a country with adult behaviour like that.
But then we as a nation don't care.
We put more thought into what song we download than we do choose the people that will tell you how much money you're allowed to keep for yourself after working all day long.
More people voted for the Pop Idol finale than did in the previous election.
That is where we're at as a country, that's our intelligence level.
Which is why the posters aren't about anything other than lame Simon Cowell type putdowns.
It appears that adult reasoning and thought has been abandoned for some retarded "Vote for X and they'll kill your dog!!!!!!" chant.
Stupid. Absolutely stupid.
Purely on the Iraq issue - Labour has grabbed your hair, rammed it into your mouth and hissed at you to smile as you gag and tears run down your face.
Distasteful? Not as much as Blair's insistence on taking us to war against a nation that has never, did never and could never pose a threat.
And we, the public, told him that. We didn't accept the story and we were roundly ignored. Remember that?
There has been a silence on Iraq since January, anybody noticed that?
Bombs are still going off, civilians & soldiers (and "insurgents", these aren't freedom fighters because we don't like their views) are still being killed. Lives are still being lost. And it just doesn't make the news anymore.
Over a million people marched against the war and we were ignored.
"WOMD!" "No there isnt"
"45 mins!" "No they can't"
"Immediate and clear threat to us!" "No they arent"
And when that didnt work we had "RICIN DEATH!!!!" on front pages of newspapers, we had central London closed for "tests" on what would happen during a chemical attack. From a country with no long-range weapon capability, no history of ever acting aggressively towards us.
You know the script by now.
"SHUT UP. STAY INDOORS. BE AFRAID. TRUST US. ALL IS CALM. TRUST US. WATCH EASTENDERS AND SHUT UP. ALL IS CALM"
And we fell for it.
Instead of taking to the streets and demanding things change (we did it with the Poll Tax), we closed our doors and cowered at images of be-cloaked "terrorists" being led into police stations.
"WE NEED ID CARDS TO PROTECT YOU AND YOUR CHRISTIAN WHITE CHILDREN"
Yeah, because they work in Spain don't they. No terrorist bombs have gone off in there at all on trains.
Dr David Kelly killed himself because of the pressure of being revealed as the source of Gilligan's story that proved to be true.
And who revealed his name?......*drumroll*...thaaaaaat's right - Blair & his dog Campbell as admitted 2 weeks ago finally.
/golfclap
A decent honest man that tried to say "Wait a moment, this isn't exactly true what we're being told" ended up comitting suicide.
And nothing was done.
Blair invaded with most of the country telling him they knew he was wrong.
And nothing was done.
Taxes have risen despite promises they wouldn't
And nothing was done.
And we know Labour, under Blair, are lying sneakthieves in thrall to Bush
And nothing will be done
Tomorrow we'll have that smiling powerwhore waving at the press and telling himself we love him really.
Nope, not the case.
We just couldn't be bothered to vote how we feel we should, because "it wont make any difference really"
Democracy Inaction.
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Strafio wrote:
> Having said that, wouldn't the majority of Pop Idol votes be
> teenagers?
Good point. Although going by where I work now, a lot of older people, i.e. of voting age were engross in Televised Karaoke as well.
> Having said that, wouldn't the majority of Pop Idol votes be
> teenagers?
Good point. Although going by where I work now, a lot of older people, i.e. of voting age were engross in Televised Karaoke as well.
Probably many multiple ones too.
However, Goatboy still made a valid point which is worrying.
However, Goatboy still made a valid point which is worrying.
Light wrote:
Not crystal clear admittedly, but I presume you're more
> interested in making yourself look clever than making any real point?
Not at all. I found it hard to believe (and subsequently untrue) that more people voted for pop idol than in the election. I asked for clarification, and got it.
I think, as do you all, that the lack of young people voting is worrying. If i remember rightly after the last election the main parties all agreed that the level of voter apathy was worrying, and that they said they'd try to do something about it. It would seem as though they haven't, and I expect similar levels this time around as well.
I can also see where "lazy" people are coming from. Politics seem to have degenerated into playground insults, as Goaty has rightly pointed out, but I don't think that is anything new - I remember watching Prime Ministers Question Time about 7 or 8 years ago, and just saw a bunch of grown men arguing and acting like school kids - completely failing to answer the question directly and generally being petty.
I think that kids today have the idea that politics is "boring" and to some extent I can see why. This image has to be overcome because otherwise, in our childrens lifetimes, the election won't be worth having.
Not crystal clear admittedly, but I presume you're more
> interested in making yourself look clever than making any real point?
Not at all. I found it hard to believe (and subsequently untrue) that more people voted for pop idol than in the election. I asked for clarification, and got it.
I think, as do you all, that the lack of young people voting is worrying. If i remember rightly after the last election the main parties all agreed that the level of voter apathy was worrying, and that they said they'd try to do something about it. It would seem as though they haven't, and I expect similar levels this time around as well.
I can also see where "lazy" people are coming from. Politics seem to have degenerated into playground insults, as Goaty has rightly pointed out, but I don't think that is anything new - I remember watching Prime Ministers Question Time about 7 or 8 years ago, and just saw a bunch of grown men arguing and acting like school kids - completely failing to answer the question directly and generally being petty.
I think that kids today have the idea that politics is "boring" and to some extent I can see why. This image has to be overcome because otherwise, in our childrens lifetimes, the election won't be worth having.
Having said that, wouldn't the majority of Pop Idol votes be teenagers?
Your Honour wrote:
>
> Hardly supports Goatys claim, does it?
Being as how the rant was aimed at youngsters such as (I assume) yourself, and being as how the articles I just posted make the point that more young people voted in Pop Idol than in the election, then yeah it does. Not crystal clear admittedly, but I presume you're more interested in making yourself look clever than making any real point?
>
> Hardly supports Goatys claim, does it?
Being as how the rant was aimed at youngsters such as (I assume) yourself, and being as how the articles I just posted make the point that more young people voted in Pop Idol than in the election, then yeah it does. Not crystal clear admittedly, but I presume you're more interested in making yourself look clever than making any real point?
Yeah, that beatch sexed it up.
As Light said though, that is probably the same amount who voted in favour of the government... as in votes for Labour. I find that worrying.
As Light said though, that is probably the same amount who voted in favour of the government... as in votes for Labour. I find that worrying.
26,366,992 people voted in the 2001 General Election, and 10.26Million in the Pop Idol final, according to down's links.
Hardly supports Goatys claim, does it?
Hardly supports Goatys claim, does it?
[URL]http://theinternetforum.co.uk/popidol/index.php[/URL]
Pop Idol votes.
[URL]http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/area/uk/e01/results.htm[/URL]
2001 turnout.
Pop Idol votes.
[URL]http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/area/uk/e01/results.htm[/URL]
2001 turnout.
Your Honour wrote:
>
> Have you a link to these figures, as I'd very much like to look into
> this.
One of the main reasons for setting up Your Party was to respond to the huge disillusionment among British voters towards politics. It is a shocking statistic that, approximately the same number of people voted in the final of Pop Idol as voted for the current Labour government. With only 59.4% of the electorate voting in the last general election, a mere 24% actually voted for the current government.
Recent research carried out by MORI revealed that 67% of people want a say in how the country is run – but only 27% feel that they currently do. And what they’re interested in is the issues - with 77% saying they’re interested in national issues and 81% saying they’re interested in local issues. To choose but two examples of this people's involvement in issues they care about,1,000,000 people turned out in Hyde Park last year to protest against the war in Iraq and the 407,000 people marched through London supporting the Countryside Alliance .
In short, there is strong evidence that large numbers of people want to be involved in the decision making process and YP intends to work hard to give them that representation.
Taken from [URL]http://www.yourparty.org/aboutus/qanda.jsp[/URL]
And from The Economist;
What started the panic among MPs and broadcasters was last June's general election, an eminently forgettable affair that delivered only two surprises. One was that the Labour Party won by an even wider margin than everyone had expected it to. The other is that even fewer people bothered to vote than had been expected to. To be exact, only six out of ten eligible voters turned out. The electoral commission, a new body set up (under a former BBC journalist) to think about such things, frets that "Pop Idol", a phone-in-your-vote TV talent show, scooped in more votes than the number cast in the general election. The young, it seems, are especially guilty of caring more about the relative talents of "Pop Idol" wannabes such as Will and Gareth than prime-ministerial wannabes such as Charles Kennedy and Iain Duncan Smith. Fewer than four out of ten Britons between 18 and 24 voted in the general election. And when political programmes start on TV, they switch off in droves.
>
> Have you a link to these figures, as I'd very much like to look into
> this.
One of the main reasons for setting up Your Party was to respond to the huge disillusionment among British voters towards politics. It is a shocking statistic that, approximately the same number of people voted in the final of Pop Idol as voted for the current Labour government. With only 59.4% of the electorate voting in the last general election, a mere 24% actually voted for the current government.
Recent research carried out by MORI revealed that 67% of people want a say in how the country is run – but only 27% feel that they currently do. And what they’re interested in is the issues - with 77% saying they’re interested in national issues and 81% saying they’re interested in local issues. To choose but two examples of this people's involvement in issues they care about,1,000,000 people turned out in Hyde Park last year to protest against the war in Iraq and the 407,000 people marched through London supporting the Countryside Alliance .
In short, there is strong evidence that large numbers of people want to be involved in the decision making process and YP intends to work hard to give them that representation.
Taken from [URL]http://www.yourparty.org/aboutus/qanda.jsp[/URL]
And from The Economist;
What started the panic among MPs and broadcasters was last June's general election, an eminently forgettable affair that delivered only two surprises. One was that the Labour Party won by an even wider margin than everyone had expected it to. The other is that even fewer people bothered to vote than had been expected to. To be exact, only six out of ten eligible voters turned out. The electoral commission, a new body set up (under a former BBC journalist) to think about such things, frets that "Pop Idol", a phone-in-your-vote TV talent show, scooped in more votes than the number cast in the general election. The young, it seems, are especially guilty of caring more about the relative talents of "Pop Idol" wannabes such as Will and Gareth than prime-ministerial wannabes such as Charles Kennedy and Iain Duncan Smith. Fewer than four out of ten Britons between 18 and 24 voted in the general election. And when political programmes start on TV, they switch off in droves.
I felt quite apathetic this morning when I was discussing the election with my fellow students.
So many were voting Labour/Tories for what I feel, very awful reasons.
I remember being 11 in 1997 and staying up to watch the results. My parents were big players in our local Labour Party until after 1992. I felt so sorry for them... they loved seeing the Conervatives getting humped but had already clocked on that the old days had gone and now we're stuck with what we have.
I shall stay up all night to watch as I love studying poltics and have followed the campaign every day. I'll never vote Tory and I will probably never vote for Labour.
It makes me sad in a way, all my friends who I thought had some brains are voting for Labour. We might not have strikes/power cuts/unemployment anymore but that doesn't mean our political situation is healthy, in my opinion.
So many were voting Labour/Tories for what I feel, very awful reasons.
I remember being 11 in 1997 and staying up to watch the results. My parents were big players in our local Labour Party until after 1992. I felt so sorry for them... they loved seeing the Conervatives getting humped but had already clocked on that the old days had gone and now we're stuck with what we have.
I shall stay up all night to watch as I love studying poltics and have followed the campaign every day. I'll never vote Tory and I will probably never vote for Labour.
It makes me sad in a way, all my friends who I thought had some brains are voting for Labour. We might not have strikes/power cuts/unemployment anymore but that doesn't mean our political situation is healthy, in my opinion.
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