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"Why vote Lib Dem, it's pointless" has been the mantra of pretty much everybody I know.
And sadly I know that an awful lot of people think the same and wont vote for them, despite their gut feeling telling them to.
I'm not voting Labour again, they're no different to the Tories. Who are no different to Labour.
A 2 horse race where both horses are owned by the same stable.
THAT is a pointless vote.
My grandad said it best during the fireman's strike, "Christ I never thought I'd see the day Labour threatened to break strikes".
It's a joke.
Forget the horseshit scaremongering to make you suspicious of any brown-skinned person (We had tanks at airports for chrissakes...tanks at airports, there's democracy for you) in the run up to the invasion - I refuse to call it a war.
Forget the absolute non-reporting on Iraq for the past 6 weeks - seeing Allied soldiers being killed is a bummer, not the sort of thing we need reminding of when the election is looming.
Forget the hike in petrol prices that have yet still to come down despite promises.
This election campaign has been nothing to do with policies.
Apart from the Tories tubthumping about nignogs and muslims trying to live in your mouth there has been zero talk about policies.
The posters have been about trying to rubbish the other person.
It's not about politics, it's not about the issues that affect you and I on a day-to-day basis.
"Vote Labour or tomorrow you'll wake up with Michael Howard" was a fullpage ad in The Times yesterday.
Excuse me????????
That is your election manifesto? "I know you are but what am I?" is the level we have sunk to ladies & gentlemen.
Playground namecalling and insults.
Yeah, I have total faith in you to run a country with adult behaviour like that.
But then we as a nation don't care.
We put more thought into what song we download than we do choose the people that will tell you how much money you're allowed to keep for yourself after working all day long.
More people voted for the Pop Idol finale than did in the previous election.
That is where we're at as a country, that's our intelligence level.
Which is why the posters aren't about anything other than lame Simon Cowell type putdowns.
It appears that adult reasoning and thought has been abandoned for some retarded "Vote for X and they'll kill your dog!!!!!!" chant.
Stupid. Absolutely stupid.
Purely on the Iraq issue - Labour has grabbed your hair, rammed it into your mouth and hissed at you to smile as you gag and tears run down your face.
Distasteful? Not as much as Blair's insistence on taking us to war against a nation that has never, did never and could never pose a threat.
And we, the public, told him that. We didn't accept the story and we were roundly ignored. Remember that?
There has been a silence on Iraq since January, anybody noticed that?
Bombs are still going off, civilians & soldiers (and "insurgents", these aren't freedom fighters because we don't like their views) are still being killed. Lives are still being lost. And it just doesn't make the news anymore.
Over a million people marched against the war and we were ignored.
"WOMD!" "No there isnt"
"45 mins!" "No they can't"
"Immediate and clear threat to us!" "No they arent"
And when that didnt work we had "RICIN DEATH!!!!" on front pages of newspapers, we had central London closed for "tests" on what would happen during a chemical attack. From a country with no long-range weapon capability, no history of ever acting aggressively towards us.
You know the script by now.
"SHUT UP. STAY INDOORS. BE AFRAID. TRUST US. ALL IS CALM. TRUST US. WATCH EASTENDERS AND SHUT UP. ALL IS CALM"
And we fell for it.
Instead of taking to the streets and demanding things change (we did it with the Poll Tax), we closed our doors and cowered at images of be-cloaked "terrorists" being led into police stations.
"WE NEED ID CARDS TO PROTECT YOU AND YOUR CHRISTIAN WHITE CHILDREN"
Yeah, because they work in Spain don't they. No terrorist bombs have gone off in there at all on trains.
Dr David Kelly killed himself because of the pressure of being revealed as the source of Gilligan's story that proved to be true.
And who revealed his name?......*drumroll*...thaaaaaat's right - Blair & his dog Campbell as admitted 2 weeks ago finally.
/golfclap
A decent honest man that tried to say "Wait a moment, this isn't exactly true what we're being told" ended up comitting suicide.
And nothing was done.
Blair invaded with most of the country telling him they knew he was wrong.
And nothing was done.
Taxes have risen despite promises they wouldn't
And nothing was done.
And we know Labour, under Blair, are lying sneakthieves in thrall to Bush
And nothing will be done
Tomorrow we'll have that smiling powerwhore waving at the press and telling himself we love him really.
Nope, not the case.
We just couldn't be bothered to vote how we feel we should, because "it wont make any difference really"
Democracy Inaction.
And sadly I know that an awful lot of people think the same and wont vote for them, despite their gut feeling telling them to.
I'm not voting Labour again, they're no different to the Tories. Who are no different to Labour.
A 2 horse race where both horses are owned by the same stable.
THAT is a pointless vote.
My grandad said it best during the fireman's strike, "Christ I never thought I'd see the day Labour threatened to break strikes".
It's a joke.
Forget the horseshit scaremongering to make you suspicious of any brown-skinned person (We had tanks at airports for chrissakes...tanks at airports, there's democracy for you) in the run up to the invasion - I refuse to call it a war.
Forget the absolute non-reporting on Iraq for the past 6 weeks - seeing Allied soldiers being killed is a bummer, not the sort of thing we need reminding of when the election is looming.
Forget the hike in petrol prices that have yet still to come down despite promises.
This election campaign has been nothing to do with policies.
Apart from the Tories tubthumping about nignogs and muslims trying to live in your mouth there has been zero talk about policies.
The posters have been about trying to rubbish the other person.
It's not about politics, it's not about the issues that affect you and I on a day-to-day basis.
"Vote Labour or tomorrow you'll wake up with Michael Howard" was a fullpage ad in The Times yesterday.
Excuse me????????
That is your election manifesto? "I know you are but what am I?" is the level we have sunk to ladies & gentlemen.
Playground namecalling and insults.
Yeah, I have total faith in you to run a country with adult behaviour like that.
But then we as a nation don't care.
We put more thought into what song we download than we do choose the people that will tell you how much money you're allowed to keep for yourself after working all day long.
More people voted for the Pop Idol finale than did in the previous election.
That is where we're at as a country, that's our intelligence level.
Which is why the posters aren't about anything other than lame Simon Cowell type putdowns.
It appears that adult reasoning and thought has been abandoned for some retarded "Vote for X and they'll kill your dog!!!!!!" chant.
Stupid. Absolutely stupid.
Purely on the Iraq issue - Labour has grabbed your hair, rammed it into your mouth and hissed at you to smile as you gag and tears run down your face.
Distasteful? Not as much as Blair's insistence on taking us to war against a nation that has never, did never and could never pose a threat.
And we, the public, told him that. We didn't accept the story and we were roundly ignored. Remember that?
There has been a silence on Iraq since January, anybody noticed that?
Bombs are still going off, civilians & soldiers (and "insurgents", these aren't freedom fighters because we don't like their views) are still being killed. Lives are still being lost. And it just doesn't make the news anymore.
Over a million people marched against the war and we were ignored.
"WOMD!" "No there isnt"
"45 mins!" "No they can't"
"Immediate and clear threat to us!" "No they arent"
And when that didnt work we had "RICIN DEATH!!!!" on front pages of newspapers, we had central London closed for "tests" on what would happen during a chemical attack. From a country with no long-range weapon capability, no history of ever acting aggressively towards us.
You know the script by now.
"SHUT UP. STAY INDOORS. BE AFRAID. TRUST US. ALL IS CALM. TRUST US. WATCH EASTENDERS AND SHUT UP. ALL IS CALM"
And we fell for it.
Instead of taking to the streets and demanding things change (we did it with the Poll Tax), we closed our doors and cowered at images of be-cloaked "terrorists" being led into police stations.
"WE NEED ID CARDS TO PROTECT YOU AND YOUR CHRISTIAN WHITE CHILDREN"
Yeah, because they work in Spain don't they. No terrorist bombs have gone off in there at all on trains.
Dr David Kelly killed himself because of the pressure of being revealed as the source of Gilligan's story that proved to be true.
And who revealed his name?......*drumroll*...thaaaaaat's right - Blair & his dog Campbell as admitted 2 weeks ago finally.
/golfclap
A decent honest man that tried to say "Wait a moment, this isn't exactly true what we're being told" ended up comitting suicide.
And nothing was done.
Blair invaded with most of the country telling him they knew he was wrong.
And nothing was done.
Taxes have risen despite promises they wouldn't
And nothing was done.
And we know Labour, under Blair, are lying sneakthieves in thrall to Bush
And nothing will be done
Tomorrow we'll have that smiling powerwhore waving at the press and telling himself we love him really.
Nope, not the case.
We just couldn't be bothered to vote how we feel we should, because "it wont make any difference really"
Democracy Inaction.
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Yeah, mine is the Armed Forces Minister, a bloody Blairite who thinks he can show up once or twice before the election and win easily.
Which he will but we have a few people standing against him so I'd love it if his majority got slashed.
Which he will but we have a few people standing against him so I'd love it if his majority got slashed.
I want Tessa Jowell to wake up tomorrow and realise that she can't be in the Cabinet any more because we here in her consituency don't like her anymore, and that's her fault. I'd love it. Even though she had a majority of 15,000 last time, I really hope she goes. She didn't even bother visiting my school to convince us to vote for her - she was off visiting marginal seats. The Lib Dem candidate was in court as a Human Rights Lawyer. EXACTLY.
I voted Lib Dem.
I want that fat bas Eric Pickles out, and I want Labour and the Conservatives to wake up and stop being asshats.
I want that fat bas Eric Pickles out, and I want Labour and the Conservatives to wake up and stop being asshats.
There's an excuse for those fraudulently elected labour local councillors.
"I was just trying to increase the turnout"
"I was just trying to increase the turnout"
Yes if you could vote more than once in the General Election there would be A LOT more votes.
Strafio wrote:
> Having said that, wouldn't the majority of Pop Idol votes be
> teenagers?
And I'm not sure how many average votes there were by each voter.
My friend's mum spent the evening re-dialling for Will 8^|
I'd wager the actual number of voters was much lower.
I know the low election turnout was a bit of a shock, but lets leave the fiddled statistics to the politicians please!
> Having said that, wouldn't the majority of Pop Idol votes be
> teenagers?
And I'm not sure how many average votes there were by each voter.
My friend's mum spent the evening re-dialling for Will 8^|
I'd wager the actual number of voters was much lower.
I know the low election turnout was a bit of a shock, but lets leave the fiddled statistics to the politicians please!
Light wrote:
Not crystal clear admittedly,
I was thinking about this comment of yours on my way home from work, I must have skimmed over it when I first replied. Not only is it not "crystal clear" it is, perhaps, the most [/B]un[/B]crystal clear thing I've read on these forums.
Now, if someone as intelligent and articulate as Goaty writes: "More people voted for the Pop Idol finale than did in the previous election." then forgive me for being stupid, but I came to the conclusion that he meant "More people voted for the Pop Idol finale than did in the previous election."
How silly of me. I forgot that I had to add in age brackets and suchlike.
Not crystal clear admittedly,
I was thinking about this comment of yours on my way home from work, I must have skimmed over it when I first replied. Not only is it not "crystal clear" it is, perhaps, the most [/B]un[/B]crystal clear thing I've read on these forums.
Now, if someone as intelligent and articulate as Goaty writes: "More people voted for the Pop Idol finale than did in the previous election." then forgive me for being stupid, but I came to the conclusion that he meant "More people voted for the Pop Idol finale than did in the previous election."
How silly of me. I forgot that I had to add in age brackets and suchlike.
Hilarious.
I'm so glad you came back Hedfix you're so funny!!!
I reckon that the reason for all the apathy is just that the outcome of the election is so inevitable. All we need to get people interested is a party that people want to see in government in with a chance. The lib dems have accomplished this to some extent, but if only they'd done it last election with the tories in disarray.
If people weren't so horribly, horribly stupid with all their tactical voting, then the Lib Dems would be in with more of a shot, people would believe they could make a real difference to our country and they'd go out and vote for them. Listen to the people who don't vote - what do they all say? "It's not worth it I won't make a difference anyway". What people need is the belief that they CAN make a difference. In some ways it's a vicious circle - people feel they make a difference if they vote for what they want and it happens - but if they dont get what they want they dont vote and then they dont get what they want and so on.
I reckon that the reason for all the apathy is just that the outcome of the election is so inevitable. All we need to get people interested is a party that people want to see in government in with a chance. The lib dems have accomplished this to some extent, but if only they'd done it last election with the tories in disarray.
If people weren't so horribly, horribly stupid with all their tactical voting, then the Lib Dems would be in with more of a shot, people would believe they could make a real difference to our country and they'd go out and vote for them. Listen to the people who don't vote - what do they all say? "It's not worth it I won't make a difference anyway". What people need is the belief that they CAN make a difference. In some ways it's a vicious circle - people feel they make a difference if they vote for what they want and it happens - but if they dont get what they want they dont vote and then they dont get what they want and so on.
If you've got an issue, here's a tissue.
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