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I have made up my mind, after years of being Liberal I am going to vote Labour at the elections next Thursday. Reason are way to many to list but in short, since Labour took over I have bought my own home, we have a good life style we want for little and in general for me at least every thing is tickety Boo just now.
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Light wrote:
> Hedfix wrote:
> Yes, I've been listening to 'Choose Life' too. ;P
>
> Valid point.
>
> Haha! Wondered why it sounded familiar!
>
> But yes; an extremely valid point.
>
> Kevstar, do you believe that drugs are always bad and only do
> negative things?
Most drugs yes, because thier addictive, and when someones addicted to drugs they depend on them, and when someone depends on drugs thats when it becomes dangerous. Tell me what drugs do you think do possitive things? And I don't wan't any prescription drugs included!
As I mentioned to stafio I understands some of the points in favour of drugs(take a look and check the points we were making), but I don't accept that anyone who commits a crime to feed there habbit, shouldn't be locked up. And to make the point that the Lib Dems are now thinking of changing there pollicy as they know it cost them votes in the election. So basically what i'm saying is that now all 3 of the partys now agree with me, just like many of the topics i've debated on here with you.
> Hedfix wrote:
> Yes, I've been listening to 'Choose Life' too. ;P
>
> Valid point.
>
> Haha! Wondered why it sounded familiar!
>
> But yes; an extremely valid point.
>
> Kevstar, do you believe that drugs are always bad and only do
> negative things?
Most drugs yes, because thier addictive, and when someones addicted to drugs they depend on them, and when someone depends on drugs thats when it becomes dangerous. Tell me what drugs do you think do possitive things? And I don't wan't any prescription drugs included!
As I mentioned to stafio I understands some of the points in favour of drugs(take a look and check the points we were making), but I don't accept that anyone who commits a crime to feed there habbit, shouldn't be locked up. And to make the point that the Lib Dems are now thinking of changing there pollicy as they know it cost them votes in the election. So basically what i'm saying is that now all 3 of the partys now agree with me, just like many of the topics i've debated on here with you.
Hedfix wrote:
> Yes, I've been listening to 'Choose Life' too. ;P
>
> Valid point.
Haha! Wondered why it sounded familiar!
But yes; an extremely valid point.
Kevstar, do you believe that drugs are always bad and only do negative things?
> Yes, I've been listening to 'Choose Life' too. ;P
>
> Valid point.
Haha! Wondered why it sounded familiar!
But yes; an extremely valid point.
Kevstar, do you believe that drugs are always bad and only do negative things?
Yes, I've been listening to 'Choose Life' too. ;P
Valid point.
Valid point.
Sibs wrote:
> It's funny that when we see people
> whose only joy in life is taking drugs we're shocked, while as when
> we see someone whose only joy is consumerism we don't bat an eyelid.
~stands up and applauds~
> It's funny that when we see people
> whose only joy in life is taking drugs we're shocked, while as when
> we see someone whose only joy is consumerism we don't bat an eyelid.
~stands up and applauds~
kevstar wrote:
> I agreed to some of your points yes(people taking canabis for medical
> reasons) understood and accepted your reasons why you think people
> shouldn't go to jail for personal use, but for me, I still think it's
> the wrong way to go about it as I think that people should still be
> locked up for personal usage of herion, crack and other drugs in that
> class. My reason being that they got themselves into the mess by
> knowingly taking a drug thats addictive, they know the risks, they
> commit the crime, so by law they should pay for any crime they
> commit.
By that token we should be locking up everyone who drinks coffee, coca-cola, alcohol, or smokes cigarettes... Yeah some highly addictive drugs can lead to crime to pay for the drug, but prosecuting someone for personally taking a drug is simply stupid. If you know they're committing crimes to pay for the habit, fine, catch them doing that and prosecute. But locking someone up because they are doing something addictive and potentially harmful? Funny, we don't see cigarette smokers or heavy drinkers locked up...
And you assume they're in a mess... why? Because they take drugs so their life can't be good. It's funny that when we see people whose only joy in life is taking drugs we're shocked, while as when we see someone whose only joy is consumerism we don't bat an eyelid.
> I agreed to some of your points yes(people taking canabis for medical
> reasons) understood and accepted your reasons why you think people
> shouldn't go to jail for personal use, but for me, I still think it's
> the wrong way to go about it as I think that people should still be
> locked up for personal usage of herion, crack and other drugs in that
> class. My reason being that they got themselves into the mess by
> knowingly taking a drug thats addictive, they know the risks, they
> commit the crime, so by law they should pay for any crime they
> commit.
By that token we should be locking up everyone who drinks coffee, coca-cola, alcohol, or smokes cigarettes... Yeah some highly addictive drugs can lead to crime to pay for the drug, but prosecuting someone for personally taking a drug is simply stupid. If you know they're committing crimes to pay for the habit, fine, catch them doing that and prosecute. But locking someone up because they are doing something addictive and potentially harmful? Funny, we don't see cigarette smokers or heavy drinkers locked up...
And you assume they're in a mess... why? Because they take drugs so their life can't be good. It's funny that when we see people whose only joy in life is taking drugs we're shocked, while as when we see someone whose only joy is consumerism we don't bat an eyelid.
kevstar wrote:
> Well I didn't vote for one reason, I dislike Blair. And when he does
> go, i'll vote Mr Brown. Is there anything wrong with that? I don't
> think there is. The fact is Labour won, everyone knew they would and
> I could not bring myself to vote for a party that is represented by
> Howard and his cronies. As for the Lib Dems, well some of there
> pollicys were just stupid and unrealistic that I couldn't bring
> myself to take them seriously. So that leaves Labour, the party i've
> been voting since I turned 18. Sure they've had a bad four years,
> mainly due to Blairs arrogance, and the best way to tame his
> arrogance? To cut his majority just like whats happened.
>
> And to say I have no right to criticize is not only wrong but a
> stupid way at looking at things, who gives you the right to say I
> don't have the right to criticize? Well I do, and didn't vote because
> I was critical towards Blair. So yeah, some people have different ways
> in being critical, some people refuse to vote for the party they'd
> normally back and vote someone else, others choose not to vote at
> all, especially when they don't like the other partys ideas.
Then turn up spoil your ballot paper.
You lazy, indolent brain donor.
Otherwise, you're just another member of the Apathy Party and can safely be ignored.
> Well I didn't vote for one reason, I dislike Blair. And when he does
> go, i'll vote Mr Brown. Is there anything wrong with that? I don't
> think there is. The fact is Labour won, everyone knew they would and
> I could not bring myself to vote for a party that is represented by
> Howard and his cronies. As for the Lib Dems, well some of there
> pollicys were just stupid and unrealistic that I couldn't bring
> myself to take them seriously. So that leaves Labour, the party i've
> been voting since I turned 18. Sure they've had a bad four years,
> mainly due to Blairs arrogance, and the best way to tame his
> arrogance? To cut his majority just like whats happened.
>
> And to say I have no right to criticize is not only wrong but a
> stupid way at looking at things, who gives you the right to say I
> don't have the right to criticize? Well I do, and didn't vote because
> I was critical towards Blair. So yeah, some people have different ways
> in being critical, some people refuse to vote for the party they'd
> normally back and vote someone else, others choose not to vote at
> all, especially when they don't like the other partys ideas.
Then turn up spoil your ballot paper.
You lazy, indolent brain donor.
Otherwise, you're just another member of the Apathy Party and can safely be ignored.
Strafio wrote:
> kevstar wrote:
> Just to point out that the Lib Dems are now thinking of changing
> thier
> polllicy on drugs as they feel they lost major votes on this issue,
> like my vote.
>
> But after we just talked it over, didn't we both agree that it was
> for the better?
I agreed to some of your points yes(people taking canabis for medical reasons) understood and accepted your reasons why you think people shouldn't go to jail for personal use, but for me, I still think it's the wrong way to go about it as I think that people should still be locked up for personal usage of herion, crack and other drugs in that class. My reason being that they got themselves into the mess by knowingly taking a drug thats addictive, they know the risks, they commit the crime, so by law they should pay for any crime they commit.
> kevstar wrote:
> Just to point out that the Lib Dems are now thinking of changing
> thier
> polllicy on drugs as they feel they lost major votes on this issue,
> like my vote.
>
> But after we just talked it over, didn't we both agree that it was
> for the better?
I agreed to some of your points yes(people taking canabis for medical reasons) understood and accepted your reasons why you think people shouldn't go to jail for personal use, but for me, I still think it's the wrong way to go about it as I think that people should still be locked up for personal usage of herion, crack and other drugs in that class. My reason being that they got themselves into the mess by knowingly taking a drug thats addictive, they know the risks, they commit the crime, so by law they should pay for any crime they commit.
Well I didn't vote for one reason, I dislike Blair. And when he does go, i'll vote Mr Brown. Is there anything wrong with that? I don't think there is. The fact is Labour won, everyone knew they would and I could not bring myself to vote for a party that is represented by Howard and his cronies. As for the Lib Dems, well some of there pollicys were just stupid and unrealistic that I couldn't bring myself to take them seriously. So that leaves Labour, the party i've been voting since I turned 18. Sure they've had a bad four years, mainly due to Blairs arrogance, and the best way to tame his arrogance? To cut his majority just like whats happened.
And to say I have no right to criticize is not only wrong but a stupid way at looking at things, who gives you the right to say I don't have the right to criticize? Well I do, and didn't vote because I was critical towards Blair. So yeah, some people have different ways in being critical, some people refuse to vote for the party they'd normally back and vote someone else, others choose not to vote at all, especially when they don't like the other partys ideas.
And to say I have no right to criticize is not only wrong but a stupid way at looking at things, who gives you the right to say I don't have the right to criticize? Well I do, and didn't vote because I was critical towards Blair. So yeah, some people have different ways in being critical, some people refuse to vote for the party they'd normally back and vote someone else, others choose not to vote at all, especially when they don't like the other partys ideas.
kevstar wrote:
> Just to point out that the Lib Dems are now thinking of changing thier
> polllicy on drugs as they feel they lost major votes on this issue,
> like my vote.
But after we just talked it over, didn't we both agree that it was for the better?
> Just to point out that the Lib Dems are now thinking of changing thier
> polllicy on drugs as they feel they lost major votes on this issue,
> like my vote.
But after we just talked it over, didn't we both agree that it was for the better?
Pandaemonium wrote:
> It's certainly going to cut down on the debates between you and
> Kevstar.
>
> Kev - "Blah, blah blah, policy, Labour, Blah, Lib dems."
> You - "You didn't vote. You have no right to criticize."
True enough. Means I can concentrate on honing the first volume of my new book, "How to Correctly Insult a Brain Donor"
> It's certainly going to cut down on the debates between you and
> Kevstar.
>
> Kev - "Blah, blah blah, policy, Labour, Blah, Lib dems."
> You - "You didn't vote. You have no right to criticize."
True enough. Means I can concentrate on honing the first volume of my new book, "How to Correctly Insult a Brain Donor"
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