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"X-Box will be crap compared to PS2"

Everybody here is saying that the X-Box is way more powerful than the PS2 just because the processor is 600mhz and the PS2 is 300mhz, you cant just compare the processor speed to gauge the actual performance of the system. The pentium in the x-box is 32bit external and 64bit internal, whereas the ps2 is 128bit, which means it has much higher performance, probably around 3 or 4 times more than a 300mhz x-box would be because if the 32bit external limit, so taking into account that the x-box is 600mhz that means that the PS2 is a third more powerful than the x-box.
This mistake people make is similar to the mistake people make when they think that the new G4 macs are slow compared to pcs just because their PowerPC processors are 500mhz, they infact have the capability to do a billion operations per second a thing that only very latest intel coppermine processors are able to do starting at the 866 one I think.

Anyway i hope this clears up any misunderstanding.

Erm, that's probably why the ps2 has a seperate custom graphics chip which I might have forgotten to mention. I have to say I've just seen video of Munch's Odessy. Looks good. shame I'll never buy an X-Box to see it. This is all pointless. They are about the same (save the emotions and physics on the ps2and the FSAA on the X thing ).

Angelous wrote:
> Why the hell would anyone want a X-box in the first place suprises
> me, my PC is a lot faster than the X-box due to my recent upgrade of
> graphics, sound, CPU and Memory, the X-box is just another stupid
> microsoft product. MICROSOFT SUCK! Just like their operating
> systems, give me Linux anyday :oP
PLAYSTATION 2 WILL RULE THE
> CONSOLE MARKET.
LIKE THE ORIGINAL PLAYSTATION DID IN THE FIRST
> PLACE...

MICROSOFT do suck, and this is just another "cash in" from Bill Gates and co. I will be buyng a PS2, because, like someone said before, give a console time, and the games improve. By which time the X-Box arrives, the PS2 will have better games out, as developers will have gained more experience with the machine, not forgetting the Dreamcast, of which developers will have even more experience. The PSOne for example, i feel, some of its games have more feel in them than some PC games. Granted, the graphics on the PSOne are extremely dated now, but the gameplay is they key for me. Looks aren't everything, but I think the X-Box is damn ugly! =) Those controllers are pathetic too! With a similar design to the Dreamcast's. The PSOne/PS2 controller is the best ever designed. Not that it matters, but still. The market will be very competitive, but I think the PS2 can handle it.

I have to correct you Mr Junk only the FTC will be the down fall of Gates.inc. Also the NVida GPU incorporates more features than the Emotion Engine so graphics are likely to look better but probably run slower (but you won't notice unless it drops below 25FPS, which isn't likely).
MrJunk wrote:
> I think you will find that the 'Custom NVidia chip' is the Heart of
> the NVidia GTS. It's nice, it does FSAA. and for that idiot who
> cannot read, The Emotion Engine IS the PS2's CPU.

Bet the games
> look the same on both but run smoother on the PS2.

I personally
> think the XBox will be the downfall of many of MrGate's millions.
> People in the know, know. look at the 3DO, and to a lesser extent,
> the Dreamcast. I won't be buying an Xbox. Microsoft are bringing
> PC-style gaming to the millions, but console gaming is a different
> kettle of fish.

I think you will find that the 'Custom NVidia chip' is the Heart of the NVidia GTS. It's nice, it does FSAA. and for that idiot who cannot read, The Emotion Engine IS the PS2's CPU.

Bet the games look the same on both but run smoother on the PS2.

I personally think the XBox will be the downfall of many of MrGate's millions. People in the know, know. look at the 3DO, and to a lesser extent, the Dreamcast. I won't be buying an Xbox. Microsoft are bringing PC-style gaming to the millions, but console gaming is a different kettle of fish.

Sorry about that ROB, I stand corrected! (Good point by the way.)

ROB F2 wrote:
> where did you hear that the PS2 has 128Bit CPU It Does' have the
> Emotion Engine As Below but it is also based on the PS1 to allow the
> backwards compatibility See Below

CPU: 128-bit Emotion
> Engine
System Clock Frequency: 300MHz
I/O: PlayStation CPU (33.8
> or 37.5MHz clock frequency, selectable)

the I/O of the PS2 in a
> much faster machine is going to bottle neck the system and
> eventually cause majior problems

Microsoft Have Done well by
> using the DirectX Kernal

I'm not sure about some of the logic here, or the facts, but as was said, you cant compare 2 consoles purely on paper specifications. The PS2 has a healthy line up for 2001, and has already proved immensely popular (am I alone in thinking that a console which can have reservations all the way through until March can't be all that bad?). I've had a PS2 since launch, and while I still wouldn't choose it over a pc, I've been impressed by several of the games. I also fail to see how anyone can judge the Xbox before anything playable is released. In the same way that people wrote the PS2 off without even trying it for themselves, anything about the Xbox at the moment is purely opinion, you can't make a statement about it like "It will be crap" before trying the thing.

I dont care what console has better hardware. The fact is that people who like sony say that the ps1 had worse hardware than the n64 and it was still more populaur, and then they go and say that the ps2 will be better beacase it has supiror hardware, hmmmmmmm. I am only intresed in good games, so i am gonna buy a gamecube as nintendo make good games that are of supirior qulity to competitors and that is how it always has been. think of sega vs nintendo in the past. The playstation has over 1000 game but only about 45 of these are of any real qulity and only about 5 of them are classic origonal ps games. As for microsoft i feel that they have the power yet are perhaps a little inexperianced.

Well i think every 1 should shut up and have a kebab.
by the way the ps2 is rubbish and so is the xbox

where did you hear that the PS2 has 128Bit CPU It Does' have the Emotion Engine As Below but it is also based on the PS1 to allow the backwards compatibility See Below

CPU: 128-bit Emotion Engine
System Clock Frequency: 300MHz
I/O: PlayStation CPU (33.8 or 37.5MHz clock frequency, selectable)

the I/O of the PS2 in a much faster machine is going to bottle neck the system and eventually cause majior problems

Microsoft Have Done well by using the DirectX Kernal

Er so explain to me about the 256-bit architecture of the Nvida chip which is after all what handles the graphics! and that the stats clearly say that the X-box will out polygon the PS2. We need to think about the sum of the parts rather than how many Mhz here and there although if we are going to talk about limitations it is probably the graphics chips in volved we should be talking about.