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"X-Box will be crap compared to PS2"

Everybody here is saying that the X-Box is way more powerful than the PS2 just because the processor is 600mhz and the PS2 is 300mhz, you cant just compare the processor speed to gauge the actual performance of the system. The pentium in the x-box is 32bit external and 64bit internal, whereas the ps2 is 128bit, which means it has much higher performance, probably around 3 or 4 times more than a 300mhz x-box would be because if the 32bit external limit, so taking into account that the x-box is 600mhz that means that the PS2 is a third more powerful than the x-box.
This mistake people make is similar to the mistake people make when they think that the new G4 macs are slow compared to pcs just because their PowerPC processors are 500mhz, they infact have the capability to do a billion operations per second a thing that only very latest intel coppermine processors are able to do starting at the 866 one I think.

Anyway i hope this clears up any misunderstanding.

Red Dobson thinks he knows everything the arrogant old scroat. So here are the facts of the X box:

The Custon NVIDIA GPU running at 300MHZ can do 1,200,000,000,000 operations per second (GDC Video at XBox.com)
The floating point performance is 140 Gigaflops.

and the plain facts on the website are:

DirectX API game development tools, Intel Pentium III processor 600MHz technology with Streaming SIMD Extensions, Custom 3-D NVIDIA graphics processor, 64 MB of RAM (unified memory architecture), Custom 3-D audio processor, 8GB hard drive, 4X DVD drive with movie playback, Four game controller ports, Expansion port, Proprietary A/V connector, 100 MBps Ethernet

Key Performance Measures

300 million micropolygons/particles per second, 150 million transformed and lit polygons per second, 100+ million polygons per second sustained performance (shading, texturing), 4 simultaneous textures, Compressed textures available at 8:1 compression, Full-scene anti-aliasing, DVD movie playback , 1920x1080 maximum resolution, HDTV support

Special Audio Features

64 Audio channels, 3-D Audio support, Midi/DLS2 support, AC3 encoded game audio.

I suggest that you get ure facts right red dobson b4 you are outdone by a 15 year old again.

Also, I do believe that the x-box will be better than the ps2 but the ps2 will not miss out on their cut of the market because chances are that the PC will no longer be considered as a gaming machine after the X-Box is released as they would most likely take the wind out of the PC-Gaming Market. With internet access, hard drives and broadband utilities being added to consoles the PC will soon be considered again as just a business and office tool.

Sony will emerge triumphant from the console market because they show that so much can be done with so mediocre hardware and still rule the gaming world. This will be done again and with a more versitile machine, the PS2 is not only a games console, but a supplement to your home entertainment system. Sega & Nintendo are going to lose out even with decent developing tools but if the console isn't selling well then games won't sell well either. Developers will produce better quality games with harder effort and better pay with their increased game sales.

PS2 is a must have for the console gamer and the X-Box is for the soon dead PC-Gamer. Nintendo will rule the portable gamers world until somebody produces a better product, hopefully Sony.

And B4 any of u say, I'm not bias. I will be an N64 owner until Special Reserve hopefully delivers me a beautiful black & blue box which the PS2's case designer said represented the universe and the Earth. I chose Sony because the Playstation had more realistic graphics compared to the cartoony unrealism of the N64 and NGC (Check Screenshots)

I agree with the above post, there is room for bopth ps2 and the xbox, the ps2 caters for younger gamers in the games put out, where the x box will be for the older age group and some games like Gran Turismo are made by sony and so if you want that game you have to buy a playstation/2, its the same with all consoles, they sometimes have games only available on that particular platform, so basically if you buy a ps2 and an X box you should be able to get every decent game on the market, and it will be still cheaper than upgrading a pc every year, as for nintendo and sega, i can count on one hand the amount of good games they have made, they are the ones to worry, microsoft and sony will be just fine.

-=Newbie!!=-

The X-Box is of course out to compete with the PS2, but there is no way in hell that it is going to "destroy the console market". That's just a vain wish... Microsoft will, in my opinion, not appeal to exactly the same market as the PS2, because Old Bill knows he's not gonna win that battle... What you guys have gotta think about is not the spec. of the two machines, bu the games which come on them... Personally, I reckon that because many of the PC games developers are going to switch to the X-Box, the X-Box will make better games...
Only time will tell however, and remember, Sony will Succeed, even if all their games are crap...

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The X-Box isn't trying to destroy the PC gaming market, it's trying to destroy the Console market and get everyone onto PCs. Remember that Games technology is no where near as far as Hardware and no game can use 900MHz to any huge advantage. The X-Box is going to be like a mini portable PC and when it has done it's task a new one probably wont be on the way. No the X-Box is like a little bomb in the Console industry, it's going to wipe out competition and bring everyone onto PCs. Still i think that's a good reason to buy it and it looks good, and if what they tell me about the price is true then it would be better to wait and get an X-Box or PC instead of a PS2 because you will save money on the console and get a better one too!

If you really think that Microsoft would release a console 1 year after the Ps2 and it not to be more powerful when they are trying to break into the market then you are living in an ivory tower.

have you seen the graphics on the Ps2? they arent that hot, ok compared to ps1 yes, but to a Pc they look average.

People have it in for the x box before its even here, you only have to see what the games developers think about it to see they know its potential and are taking it very seriously indeed.

Also this console despite only having a a PIII 600Mhz processor is more powerful than a pc of the same spec as regards gaming potential,
the thing is powerpacked and will finish the Pc gaming market for good, as already many games are no longer being made for pc, they simply dont shift enough units, consoles sell big lorry loads even if the games are mindless, like the majority of playstations are, X box will take the Pc gaming market and attract console gamers too, I also predict it will have more titles available for it than any other console did in the same space of time.

yep ill bet the cut down version of windows 2000 in the xbox will crash as much if not more than the full version, dont trust bill gates its just his way of trying to monopolise yet another market, first windows, then internet explorer, now the consoles.

Angelous wrote:
> Why the hell would anyone want a X-box in the first place suprises
> me, my PC is a lot faster than the X-box due to my recent upgrade
> of graphics, sound, CPU and Memory, the X-box is just another
> stupid microsoft product. MICROSOFT SUCK! Just like their
> operating systems, give me Linux anyday :oP
> PLAYSTATION 2 WILL RULE THE CONSOLE MARKET.
> LIKE THE ORIGINAL PLAYSTATION DID IN THE FIRST PLACE...

im afriad you are completly wrong about the xbox having a 256bit processor, as i have said before it uses an Intel Pentium III processor and they have a 64bit internal RISC core and a 32bit CISC external interface this limits the processor performance to 32bit, i got all of this off of Intels web site so go there and check if you do not believe me, and stop talking b*llocks get your facts right before posting them here. infact to get 1 trillion operations per second you would have to have a Cray supercomputer costing a couple of million pounds, who are you anyway some 12 year old. and if you wanted to know who i am i am a 21 year old software engineering degree student so i know what i am talking about.

EvilChimp wrote:
> Well i think u forgot somthing the xbox is 256bit and kan do 1
> trillion opperations per second
> and what about poly performance it can do what 20 million a second
> the xbox can do 150 miilion
>
> now lets put that in a more or less complex way
>
> for a game running at 60 frames per second this is how many
> polygons u could have in the screen
> XBOX:2,500,000
> ps2: 366,666
> which side of the line does the ball fall on now
> plus the xbox has a better sound chip it can do 256 voices the ps2
> CAn only do 64
> and in 3d audio the xbox can do 64 and the ps2 can only do 32
> plus have u ever played halflife on a computer with only a 4 meg
> video card the gamesll just run and look bad

The X-Box is useing 750mghz of power and also has a huge 256mb, the ps2 is useing 250mghz but you did get one thing right they are useing 128mb of ram. Thsi is all from their own sites and they are updated regulary.

Why the hell would anyone want a X-box in the first place suprises me, my PC is a lot faster than the X-box due to my recent upgrade of graphics, sound, CPU and Memory, the X-box is just another stupid microsoft product. MICROSOFT SUCK! Just like their operating systems, give me Linux anyday :oP
PLAYSTATION 2 WILL RULE THE CONSOLE MARKET.
LIKE THE ORIGINAL PLAYSTATION DID IN THE FIRST PLACE...

Well i think u forgot somthing the xbox is 256bit and kan do 1 trillion opperations per second
and what about poly performance it can do what 20 million a second the xbox can do 150 miilion

now lets put that in a more or less complex way

for a game running at 60 frames per second this is how many polygons u could have in the screen
XBOX:2,500,000
ps2: 366,666
which side of the line does the ball fall on now
plus the xbox has a better sound chip it can do 256 voices the ps2 CAn only do 64
and in 3d audio the xbox can do 64 and the ps2 can only do 32
plus have u ever played halflife on a computer with only a 4 meg video card the gamesll just run and look bad