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A little argument between me and our Spurs-loving friend. Who's the better striker?
Got some facts for you.
Defoe - 1405 minutes, 9 goals, 1 assist
Baros - 932 minutes, 8 goals, 1 asisst ( he also outscored Defoe, and everyone else, in Euro 2004. But don't let me sway you..)
Got some facts for you.
Defoe - 1405 minutes, 9 goals, 1 assist
Baros - 932 minutes, 8 goals, 1 asisst ( he also outscored Defoe, and everyone else, in Euro 2004. But don't let me sway you..)
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Clazon wrote:
> Euro 04 is also an unfair piece of data, because Defoe hardly played
I agree with that bit.
> and England got knocked out earlier and the strengths of the national
> teams are different.
But Czech's probably would have been knocked out had Baros not been scoring and playing so well...
> Euro 04 is also an unfair piece of data, because Defoe hardly played
I agree with that bit.
> and England got knocked out earlier and the strengths of the national
> teams are different.
But Czech's probably would have been knocked out had Baros not been scoring and playing so well...
The problem with Baros is that he often gets the ball and immediatly looks down and runs - failing to to see what is avaliable around him which leads to his downfall. Finishing wise he's exceptional.
Clazon wrote:
> KOPKING, are you the guy at Anfield who wears that "Liverpool
> Suit" with 1000's of 'pool badges on?
>
> :)
Lol I think your are referring to the moderatly famous Badgeman and unfortunatly I am not he.
> KOPKING, are you the guy at Anfield who wears that "Liverpool
> Suit" with 1000's of 'pool badges on?
>
> :)
Lol I think your are referring to the moderatly famous Badgeman and unfortunatly I am not he.
Milan Baros is the better striker to have in your team (yes, you're on that pitch with ten other men, Jermain - you're not supposed to try and do it all on your own!)
Baros, though, is a better striker all-round. He's proved he can score goals, of course. He's done it for Liverpool this season; he did it when he first arrived at Anfield and he finished Euro 2004 as top-scorer; as, I'm sure, you're all well aware by now.
Something the Match of the Day 2 team pointed out though, about how well he works with Neil Mellor in attack, as Mellor tends to stay in position giving Baros the freedom to roam, explore and destroy... That's one area I do not believe Defoe could succeed in.
Jermain Defoe is more of a ball-to-feet player, who will only work the magic once he's in the box. A little like van Nistelrooy and Alan Shearer. You wouldn't expect to see him running like Henry or pulling players apart like Milan Baros.
In my BBC Friend's Fantasy Football team, however, I have the luxury of BOTH players in my team! ;D
(I now only wish I'd gone with my instincts before and put Defoe in last week, when I thought Wayne Rooney was set to finally shine for United, against Crystal Palace... :P )
Baros, though, is a better striker all-round. He's proved he can score goals, of course. He's done it for Liverpool this season; he did it when he first arrived at Anfield and he finished Euro 2004 as top-scorer; as, I'm sure, you're all well aware by now.
Something the Match of the Day 2 team pointed out though, about how well he works with Neil Mellor in attack, as Mellor tends to stay in position giving Baros the freedom to roam, explore and destroy... That's one area I do not believe Defoe could succeed in.
Jermain Defoe is more of a ball-to-feet player, who will only work the magic once he's in the box. A little like van Nistelrooy and Alan Shearer. You wouldn't expect to see him running like Henry or pulling players apart like Milan Baros.
In my BBC Friend's Fantasy Football team, however, I have the luxury of BOTH players in my team! ;D
(I now only wish I'd gone with my instincts before and put Defoe in last week, when I thought Wayne Rooney was set to finally shine for United, against Crystal Palace... :P )
Hasn't Defoe scored 11 this season. In all competitions that is.
hah, fell asleep then? :P
Oh and Orty...
BOLLLLLLLLLLLLOCKS!
I forgot about the Zid-Ron match.
Thanks anyway.
BOLLLLLLLLLLLLOCKS!
I forgot about the Zid-Ron match.
Thanks anyway.
Baros has proved he is world class with his international record, and this stretches way beyond euro 2004.
Clazon wrote:
> To be fair, it was me who made the point about quality of goal.
But in general he does go on far too much about quality of goal, as if it has a MASSIVE bearing on the quality of striker which it clearly doesn't in examples such as Andy Cole (In his prime at United).
> To be fair, it was me who made the point about quality of goal.
But in general he does go on far too much about quality of goal, as if it has a MASSIVE bearing on the quality of striker which it clearly doesn't in examples such as Andy Cole (In his prime at United).
Quinty wrote:
> It's hardly suprising when your judgement on a player can't stretch
> beyond how many goals he has scored and whether they were 30 yard
> screamers or tap-ins.
>
> Look at the bigger picture, there's more to it. I mean are you
> seriously telling me that if Ade Akinbiyi scored from 40 yards and
> Defoe from 2 that makes him a better player? Thats where your
> argument fails.
To be fair, it was me who made the point about quality of goal.
And it still stands when both players have only, but have scored, about 8-9 goals.
Ie. If they'd only scored 1 or 2 then it's pointless, if they'd scored 40 it's pointless, but not for numbers in between.
> It's hardly suprising when your judgement on a player can't stretch
> beyond how many goals he has scored and whether they were 30 yard
> screamers or tap-ins.
>
> Look at the bigger picture, there's more to it. I mean are you
> seriously telling me that if Ade Akinbiyi scored from 40 yards and
> Defoe from 2 that makes him a better player? Thats where your
> argument fails.
To be fair, it was me who made the point about quality of goal.
And it still stands when both players have only, but have scored, about 8-9 goals.
Ie. If they'd only scored 1 or 2 then it's pointless, if they'd scored 40 it's pointless, but not for numbers in between.
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