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well, not the ULTIMATE PC, but I would like to know everything I would need to build one of the best PC's going, the CPU, Graphics Card, RAM, everything, so.... what would I need.
P.S. money is not a problem.
P.S. money is not a problem.
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Overclockers UK. They are more expensive than Ebuyer but are a much better retailer with better customer support etc.
Where you get some of those prices from?
For example that HDD is a lil pricey.
My 160GB 8MB cache, western digital was about £60.
For example that HDD is a lil pricey.
My 160GB 8MB cache, western digital was about £60.
Right, fine, I give in...
MSI K8T Neo-FIS2R (Socket 754) Motherboard (MB-010-MS)
£74.00 £74.00
Connect3D ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128MB - Retail (GX-005-CO)
£127.50 £127.50
Western Digital Caviar 120GB Special Edition 8MB Cache Serial ATA - OEM (HD-009-WD)
£60.75 £60.75
CoolerMaster Centurion - Black (No PSU) (CA-044-CM)
£33.95 £33.95
MSI DR8-A2 8x DVD±R/±RW (Black) - Retail (CD-016-MS)
£63.00 £63.00
Hyundai ImageQuest L70S 17" TFT Monitor (MO-013-HY)
£274.40 £274.40
AMD Athlon 64 3000 (Socket 754) - Retail (CP-070-AM)
£139.95 £139.95
Creative I-Trigue 2.1 3300 - Retail (SP-016-CL)
£63.25 £63.25
Antec TruePower 480W PSU (CA-017-AN)
£62.50 £62.50
Corsair 512MB DDR XMS3200C2PT Platinum CAS2 (MY-007-CS)
£88.95 £88.95
Subtotal £988.25
VAT £172.95
Total £1,161.20
A system for a grand (near as damn it) with a decent TFT moniter and speakers. I'm assuming the MSI comes with all the relevant data cables like DFI's do. I dout it would need the 480W PSU but better safe than sorry.
Happy Mr Biggles? You have a convert.
MSI K8T Neo-FIS2R (Socket 754) Motherboard (MB-010-MS)
£74.00 £74.00
Connect3D ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128MB - Retail (GX-005-CO)
£127.50 £127.50
Western Digital Caviar 120GB Special Edition 8MB Cache Serial ATA - OEM (HD-009-WD)
£60.75 £60.75
CoolerMaster Centurion - Black (No PSU) (CA-044-CM)
£33.95 £33.95
MSI DR8-A2 8x DVD±R/±RW (Black) - Retail (CD-016-MS)
£63.00 £63.00
Hyundai ImageQuest L70S 17" TFT Monitor (MO-013-HY)
£274.40 £274.40
AMD Athlon 64 3000 (Socket 754) - Retail (CP-070-AM)
£139.95 £139.95
Creative I-Trigue 2.1 3300 - Retail (SP-016-CL)
£63.25 £63.25
Antec TruePower 480W PSU (CA-017-AN)
£62.50 £62.50
Corsair 512MB DDR XMS3200C2PT Platinum CAS2 (MY-007-CS)
£88.95 £88.95
Subtotal £988.25
VAT £172.95
Total £1,161.20
A system for a grand (near as damn it) with a decent TFT moniter and speakers. I'm assuming the MSI comes with all the relevant data cables like DFI's do. I dout it would need the 480W PSU but better safe than sorry.
Happy Mr Biggles? You have a convert.
Notorious Biggles wrote:
> Stevie boy wrote:
> You shound'nt really use burners as defualt drives, as they tend to
> be slower even at the same spin speed.
>
> Whatever gives you that idea? The speed of a drive isn't actually the
> speed it spins the disc at, rather the data transfer speed which is
> often accomplished by using more than one laser.
You know what I ment by speed, and Burners tend to have a slower transfer rate.
> Your average PSU has 5 molex connectors, and that simply wouln't be
> enough.
>
> I've never had so few before. But even if I did, most fans and
> cathodes, in fact all low power items, have pass through sockets so
> using them doesn't take up molex connectors.
Average includes all the crappy generic cheap ones
> Quite simply unless you have have a good cooling system that allows
> you to overclock the P4, then an Athlon 64 will outperform it in most
> cases, certainly games, if not video encoding. And if you overclock
> an Athlon 64 to say around 2.5 GHz, then you outperform 4 GHz Pentium
> 4s. So I won't even consider overclocking in a comparison of
> platforms, it just wouldn't be fair.
I agree, but I prefer intel chipsets, as I've had some intresting experiances with VIA ones...
Stevie boy wrote:
> I can see this argment is going to go nowhere so lets just agree to
> disagree, yeah? ;-)
> Stevie boy wrote:
> You shound'nt really use burners as defualt drives, as they tend to
> be slower even at the same spin speed.
>
> Whatever gives you that idea? The speed of a drive isn't actually the
> speed it spins the disc at, rather the data transfer speed which is
> often accomplished by using more than one laser.
You know what I ment by speed, and Burners tend to have a slower transfer rate.
> Your average PSU has 5 molex connectors, and that simply wouln't be
> enough.
>
> I've never had so few before. But even if I did, most fans and
> cathodes, in fact all low power items, have pass through sockets so
> using them doesn't take up molex connectors.
Average includes all the crappy generic cheap ones
> Quite simply unless you have have a good cooling system that allows
> you to overclock the P4, then an Athlon 64 will outperform it in most
> cases, certainly games, if not video encoding. And if you overclock
> an Athlon 64 to say around 2.5 GHz, then you outperform 4 GHz Pentium
> 4s. So I won't even consider overclocking in a comparison of
> platforms, it just wouldn't be fair.
I agree, but I prefer intel chipsets, as I've had some intresting experiances with VIA ones...
Stevie boy wrote:
> I can see this argment is going to go nowhere so lets just agree to
> disagree, yeah? ;-)
Stevie boy wrote:
> You need a full tower case for a decent system to fit, and those are
> even more expensive.
>
> He did say money was no object, so I went for RAIDed raptors
So RAID configured Raptors are better than watercooling? If money is no object I'd go for the watercooling.
> You shound'nt really use burners as defualt drives, as they tend to
> be slower even at the same spin speed.
Whatever gives you that idea? The speed of a drive isn't actually the speed it spins the disc at, rather the data transfer speed which is often accomplished by using more than one laser.
> You can't buy the windows at overclockers, but I would get one
> elsewere, and the front fans would glow out the mesh anyway, creating
> a nice effect.
You can buy much cheaper, cooler looking cases and that was my main point there.
> Your average PSU has 5 molex connectors, and that simply wouln't be
> enough.
I've never had so few before. But even if I did, most fans and cathodes, in fact all low power items, have pass through sockets so using them doesn't take up molex connectors.
>
> Bottom line is that is an overloaded, bloated system that is power
> hungry, extremely expensive and won't perform any better than a
> system I could build for a grand.
>
> Thats your opinion...
It's also a professional opinion.
Quite simply unless you have have a good cooling system that allows you to overclock the P4, then an Athlon 64 will outperform it in most cases, certainly games, if not video encoding. And if you overclock an Athlon 64 to say around 2.5 GHz, then you outperform 4 GHz Pentium 4s. So I won't even consider overclocking in a comparison of platforms, it just wouldn't be fair.
Bottom line is that AMD are far better value just now.
As for the 9800 Pro comments, sure there are now better faster cards out there. But there are no games that yet fully utilise the power of a 9800 Pro (well arguably Far Cry does) so there is even more wasted power on the X800 XTs.
> You need a full tower case for a decent system to fit, and those are
> even more expensive.
>
> He did say money was no object, so I went for RAIDed raptors
So RAID configured Raptors are better than watercooling? If money is no object I'd go for the watercooling.
> You shound'nt really use burners as defualt drives, as they tend to
> be slower even at the same spin speed.
Whatever gives you that idea? The speed of a drive isn't actually the speed it spins the disc at, rather the data transfer speed which is often accomplished by using more than one laser.
> You can't buy the windows at overclockers, but I would get one
> elsewere, and the front fans would glow out the mesh anyway, creating
> a nice effect.
You can buy much cheaper, cooler looking cases and that was my main point there.
> Your average PSU has 5 molex connectors, and that simply wouln't be
> enough.
I've never had so few before. But even if I did, most fans and cathodes, in fact all low power items, have pass through sockets so using them doesn't take up molex connectors.
>
> Bottom line is that is an overloaded, bloated system that is power
> hungry, extremely expensive and won't perform any better than a
> system I could build for a grand.
>
> Thats your opinion...
It's also a professional opinion.
Quite simply unless you have have a good cooling system that allows you to overclock the P4, then an Athlon 64 will outperform it in most cases, certainly games, if not video encoding. And if you overclock an Athlon 64 to say around 2.5 GHz, then you outperform 4 GHz Pentium 4s. So I won't even consider overclocking in a comparison of platforms, it just wouldn't be fair.
Bottom line is that AMD are far better value just now.
As for the 9800 Pro comments, sure there are now better faster cards out there. But there are no games that yet fully utilise the power of a 9800 Pro (well arguably Far Cry does) so there is even more wasted power on the X800 XTs.
Stevie boy wrote:
> unknown kernel wrote:
>
> If you've got 300+ quid to spend then you would be far better
> not spending half it, grabbing a 9800Pro, sticking the rest
> in
> a savings account and when your card no longer plays new games at
> the
> highest detail, withdraw the cash and buy a brand spanking new one.
>
> Ah, but if you got them more expensive card it should last as long as
> those 2 put together.
A 9800 Pro is actually only £130 on special offer from Overclockers UK. So £170 in the bank and a decent spec card now. The new X800 XT is damn fast but in 12 months time it will be where the 9800 Pro is now. So getting a X800 XT now or getting it in 12 months time will still result in an end card being a X800 XT.
I think that if you have the money, I mean if £1500+ is pocket money to you then go get a top spec PC. I mean if I won the lottery I would go out get a top spec P4, top spec Athlon 64 and a top spec laptop, just because I have the money. I spent £1500 last year on a PC to replace my 1.2Ghz Athlon, Geforce 2 MX200 etc, as the computer crashed alot as it was 18 months old. I didnt go top spec on everything, only thing that was top spec was the 9800 Pro.
> unknown kernel wrote:
>
> If you've got 300+ quid to spend then you would be far better
> not spending half it, grabbing a 9800Pro, sticking the rest
> in
> a savings account and when your card no longer plays new games at
> the
> highest detail, withdraw the cash and buy a brand spanking new one.
>
> Ah, but if you got them more expensive card it should last as long as
> those 2 put together.
A 9800 Pro is actually only £130 on special offer from Overclockers UK. So £170 in the bank and a decent spec card now. The new X800 XT is damn fast but in 12 months time it will be where the 9800 Pro is now. So getting a X800 XT now or getting it in 12 months time will still result in an end card being a X800 XT.
I think that if you have the money, I mean if £1500+ is pocket money to you then go get a top spec PC. I mean if I won the lottery I would go out get a top spec P4, top spec Athlon 64 and a top spec laptop, just because I have the money. I spent £1500 last year on a PC to replace my 1.2Ghz Athlon, Geforce 2 MX200 etc, as the computer crashed alot as it was 18 months old. I didnt go top spec on everything, only thing that was top spec was the 9800 Pro.
I can see this argment is going to go nowhere so lets just agree to disagree, yeah? ;-)
unknown kernel wrote:
> If you've got 300+ quid to spend then you would be far better
> not spending half it, grabbing a 9800Pro, sticking the rest in
> a savings account and when your card no longer plays new games at the
> highest detail, withdraw the cash and buy a brand spanking new one.
Ah, but if you got them more expensive card it should last as long as those 2 put together.
> If you've got 300+ quid to spend then you would be far better
> not spending half it, grabbing a 9800Pro, sticking the rest in
> a savings account and when your card no longer plays new games at the
> highest detail, withdraw the cash and buy a brand spanking new one.
Ah, but if you got them more expensive card it should last as long as those 2 put together.
Stevie boy wrote:
> I'd rather have the newer items at the
> expense of money, which is basically just paper or electornic data,
> which in esance is worthless to anyone (bar the fact it can buy you
> things, obvouisly, but as money it does nothing for you).
So, money is worthless except that you can buy things with it? Isn't that sort of the point of money? You can exchange it for things so it is, in effect, worth, er, things. I think your logic just made my head explode.
If you've got 300+ quid to spend then you would be far better not spending half it, grabbing a 9800Pro, sticking the rest in a savings account and when your card no longer plays new games at the highest detail, withdraw the cash and buy a brand spanking new one.
> I'd rather have the newer items at the
> expense of money, which is basically just paper or electornic data,
> which in esance is worthless to anyone (bar the fact it can buy you
> things, obvouisly, but as money it does nothing for you).
So, money is worthless except that you can buy things with it? Isn't that sort of the point of money? You can exchange it for things so it is, in effect, worth, er, things. I think your logic just made my head explode.
If you've got 300+ quid to spend then you would be far better not spending half it, grabbing a 9800Pro, sticking the rest in a savings account and when your card no longer plays new games at the highest detail, withdraw the cash and buy a brand spanking new one.
Miserableman wrote:
> I'd take your computer over a £1K machine, but not by much -
> the returns for your investment once you start spending more than a
> certain amount on a computer start dropping off drastically. It
> amuses/dismays me that so many people on this forum shell out so much
> for high end components, that will have halved in value in six months
> and be worthless in two years.
Yeah, but then a mid-range will worthless in even less time. The more you spend the longer the system will be up to date, and the more enjoyment you will receive from the faster system while it is still top of the range. If you want to be a cheapskate thats fine, but whats the point in having money if you're not going to spend it? It's like a 56k line will do, but I'd rather spend the extra and have an ADSL connection. When the ADSL becomes standard I may move to a 1mb line, because as I said, I'd rather have the newer items at the expense of money, which is basically just paper or electornic data, which in esance is worthless to anyone (bar the fact it can buy you things, obvouisly, but as money it does nothing for you).
> I'd take your computer over a £1K machine, but not by much -
> the returns for your investment once you start spending more than a
> certain amount on a computer start dropping off drastically. It
> amuses/dismays me that so many people on this forum shell out so much
> for high end components, that will have halved in value in six months
> and be worthless in two years.
Yeah, but then a mid-range will worthless in even less time. The more you spend the longer the system will be up to date, and the more enjoyment you will receive from the faster system while it is still top of the range. If you want to be a cheapskate thats fine, but whats the point in having money if you're not going to spend it? It's like a 56k line will do, but I'd rather spend the extra and have an ADSL connection. When the ADSL becomes standard I may move to a 1mb line, because as I said, I'd rather have the newer items at the expense of money, which is basically just paper or electornic data, which in esance is worthless to anyone (bar the fact it can buy you things, obvouisly, but as money it does nothing for you).
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