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The bible was written a long time ago and was used as a way of controlling people. Ordinary people were scared of this thing known as God because they did not understand death. We still do not understand death but at least we understand life a little better.
God was used to explain the unexplainable but now we understand some of the unexplainable. We no longer need God like our ancesters. All we need is hope...
Human nature is destruction and the only thing that we should hope for is that we do not destroy the beautiful planet on which we live. We do not deserve the gifts we have but maybe one day we will be truely gateful for them...
God was used to explain the unexplainable but now we understand some of the unexplainable. We no longer need God like our ancesters. All we need is hope...
Human nature is destruction and the only thing that we should hope for is that we do not destroy the beautiful planet on which we live. We do not deserve the gifts we have but maybe one day we will be truely gateful for them...
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If you want proof that the early parts of the bible are fiction, just look at how old some of the people lived to.
Most of them lived to be almost a thousand years old, that's just insanity.
The flood story is plausable because the bible is not the only religion to describe it happening, meaning that other religions lived and survived through it, making the bible's claims of every living thing on that boat a bit unsustainable.
Most of them lived to be almost a thousand years old, that's just insanity.
The flood story is plausable because the bible is not the only religion to describe it happening, meaning that other religions lived and survived through it, making the bible's claims of every living thing on that boat a bit unsustainable.
Archangel wrote:
> monkey_man wrote:
> But you want proof that it's fiction? Noah. So they re-populated
> the Earth with just two of each animal, eh? And then went all
> inbred
> to make up the Human race again? Not buying that, sorry.
>
> Some of you claim to have "faith." Faith is what the Bible
> is based on. That it's the infallible, inerrant, incorruptible Word
> of God.
Faith in a story about a geezer who got a male and a female of every animal in the world on a boat with him? Sounds a bit far fetched to me.
Here, here's a good question. It says he got one of every animal, right? Well that includes fishes. And don't just say they'd all have survived in the sea, because it says one of *every* animal. Unless you're telling me fishes aren't animals anymore.
How'd he get the fishes to survive on the boat, eh? Did they have aquariums in those days? And what did the animals eat? If the carnivores ate one of the animals, say the male monkey, then the monkey race would've been doomed, unless the female monkey was already up the duff.
Oh, and how'd you fit a couple of blue whales on a boat, eh? Think about that'un.
> monkey_man wrote:
> But you want proof that it's fiction? Noah. So they re-populated
> the Earth with just two of each animal, eh? And then went all
> inbred
> to make up the Human race again? Not buying that, sorry.
>
> Some of you claim to have "faith." Faith is what the Bible
> is based on. That it's the infallible, inerrant, incorruptible Word
> of God.
Faith in a story about a geezer who got a male and a female of every animal in the world on a boat with him? Sounds a bit far fetched to me.
Here, here's a good question. It says he got one of every animal, right? Well that includes fishes. And don't just say they'd all have survived in the sea, because it says one of *every* animal. Unless you're telling me fishes aren't animals anymore.
How'd he get the fishes to survive on the boat, eh? Did they have aquariums in those days? And what did the animals eat? If the carnivores ate one of the animals, say the male monkey, then the monkey race would've been doomed, unless the female monkey was already up the duff.
Oh, and how'd you fit a couple of blue whales on a boat, eh? Think about that'un.
Archangel wrote:
>
> Uh-uh. You first.
The ark; there is no way every species on earth can be fitted on a boat. You ignored that point in the initial post, please do answer it.
Okay, there's one. Lets hear your proof. You seem to be veering from saying that your belief in the bible is down to personal faith, to claiming that there is incontrovertable proof.
> But you claim it's fiction. It was here before
> you and will be here long after you're gone.
So was "Satyricon", a novel written in the time of Nero. It mentions werewolves. Are we to believe that it's age makes it true?
> If all of you would look at it
> objectively, I'll post the reference work titles. I don't have them
> all. Most are very old. I have access to only a few.
> It's up to you.
Look at them objectively? Right...so these reference works, all of which according to Forest Fan we HAVE to accept or we'll BURN IN HELL...you want them to be looked at objectively?
Okay; how about you look objectively at the various Pagan myths that make up the bulk of Christianity? And the fact that the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics rules concerning entropy only apply in a closed system, something this planet and the whole universe isn't?
>
> Uh-uh. You first.
The ark; there is no way every species on earth can be fitted on a boat. You ignored that point in the initial post, please do answer it.
Okay, there's one. Lets hear your proof. You seem to be veering from saying that your belief in the bible is down to personal faith, to claiming that there is incontrovertable proof.
> But you claim it's fiction. It was here before
> you and will be here long after you're gone.
So was "Satyricon", a novel written in the time of Nero. It mentions werewolves. Are we to believe that it's age makes it true?
> If all of you would look at it
> objectively, I'll post the reference work titles. I don't have them
> all. Most are very old. I have access to only a few.
> It's up to you.
Look at them objectively? Right...so these reference works, all of which according to Forest Fan we HAVE to accept or we'll BURN IN HELL...you want them to be looked at objectively?
Okay; how about you look objectively at the various Pagan myths that make up the bulk of Christianity? And the fact that the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics rules concerning entropy only apply in a closed system, something this planet and the whole universe isn't?
monkey_man wrote:
> Then you show us 'absolute proof' that the Bible is fact.
Uh-uh. You first.
There are
> plenty of inaccuracies and contradictions, but I think you're maybe
> taking it too literally. Most of it is just stories for the purpose
> of teaching morals and passing on traditional stories. I'd be
> surprised if very little was based on actual events.
>
> But you want proof that it's fiction? Noah. So they re-populated
> the Earth with just two of each animal, eh? And then went all inbred
> to make up the Human race again? Not buying that, sorry.
Some of you claim to have "faith." Faith is what the Bible is based on. That it's the infallible, inerrant, incorruptible Word of God. I could post endlessly defending the Word. Would it do me any good? Not the way you blokes blow it off. I got a reaction from you, though. I like good banter. I am not trying to aggravate anyone. Forgive me if I have. But you claim it's fiction. It was here before you and will be here long after you're gone. Jesus said, "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my Word shall NEVER pass away."
I have some reference works I could give, but I am not going to endlessly post passage after passage because I am not wanting the staffers to give me a warning. If all of you would look at it objectively, I'll post the reference work titles. I don't have them all. Most are very old. I have access to only a few.
It's up to you.
> Then you show us 'absolute proof' that the Bible is fact.
Uh-uh. You first.
There are
> plenty of inaccuracies and contradictions, but I think you're maybe
> taking it too literally. Most of it is just stories for the purpose
> of teaching morals and passing on traditional stories. I'd be
> surprised if very little was based on actual events.
>
> But you want proof that it's fiction? Noah. So they re-populated
> the Earth with just two of each animal, eh? And then went all inbred
> to make up the Human race again? Not buying that, sorry.
Some of you claim to have "faith." Faith is what the Bible is based on. That it's the infallible, inerrant, incorruptible Word of God. I could post endlessly defending the Word. Would it do me any good? Not the way you blokes blow it off. I got a reaction from you, though. I like good banter. I am not trying to aggravate anyone. Forgive me if I have. But you claim it's fiction. It was here before you and will be here long after you're gone. Jesus said, "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my Word shall NEVER pass away."
I have some reference works I could give, but I am not going to endlessly post passage after passage because I am not wanting the staffers to give me a warning. If all of you would look at it objectively, I'll post the reference work titles. I don't have them all. Most are very old. I have access to only a few.
It's up to you.
Forest Fan wrote:
> There are plenty of other websites from well known, respected
> Christians, but I feel answersingenesis - is the clearest and most
> precise website.
So I take it you don't have an answer for the ice cores? Cheers.
> There are plenty of other websites from well known, respected
> Christians, but I feel answersingenesis - is the clearest and most
> precise website.
So I take it you don't have an answer for the ice cores? Cheers.
There are plenty of other websites from well known, respected Christians, but I feel answersingenesis - is the clearest and most precise website.
Forest Fan wrote:
> [URL]http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/magazines/docs/v23n1_earth_how_old.asp[/URL]
Ahh, good 'ol answersingenesis. The crutch of the christian argument regardless of how shakey the "science" is.
So I guess you are conceding the ice cores?
> [URL]http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/magazines/docs/v23n1_earth_how_old.asp[/URL]
Ahh, good 'ol answersingenesis. The crutch of the christian argument regardless of how shakey the "science" is.
So I guess you are conceding the ice cores?
[URL]http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/magazines/docs/v23n1_earth_how_old.asp[/URL]
Forest Fan wrote:
> The Bible is some of the oldest literature in the world. There
> probably weren't any other books written, that have survived through
> to today in the time of Noah.
Balls.
So you have no proof whatsoever outside of the Bible.
On another note, I watched a programme last night (Horizon, BBC2, 9pm) on the conveyor (The Gulf Stream) loosing salinity, and the effects on climate if it stops.
Now, in Alaska, scientists have been drilling cores from the ice. Each year, the climate adds a new layer of ice to the topsheet, and if the layers in these cores are counted, it forms a method for measuring age (think of the rings in a tree, each ring is a new years growth).
Now, the layers in the cores are currently dating back 10,000 years.
And they are still drilling.
Sorta sticks a finger in the eye of your "the world is only 6000 years old" theory, without using, according to you, flawed methods like carbon dating doesn't it?
> The Bible is some of the oldest literature in the world. There
> probably weren't any other books written, that have survived through
> to today in the time of Noah.
Balls.
So you have no proof whatsoever outside of the Bible.
On another note, I watched a programme last night (Horizon, BBC2, 9pm) on the conveyor (The Gulf Stream) loosing salinity, and the effects on climate if it stops.
Now, in Alaska, scientists have been drilling cores from the ice. Each year, the climate adds a new layer of ice to the topsheet, and if the layers in these cores are counted, it forms a method for measuring age (think of the rings in a tree, each ring is a new years growth).
Now, the layers in the cores are currently dating back 10,000 years.
And they are still drilling.
Sorta sticks a finger in the eye of your "the world is only 6000 years old" theory, without using, according to you, flawed methods like carbon dating doesn't it?
Pandaemonium wrote:
> Forest Fan wrote:
> Which he did...
>
> Bwhahahahahahahahahah PROOF please. Outside of the Bible.
The Bible is some of the oldest literature in the world. There probably weren't any other books written, that have survived through to today in the time of Noah.
> Forest Fan wrote:
> Which he did...
>
> Bwhahahahahahahahahah PROOF please. Outside of the Bible.
The Bible is some of the oldest literature in the world. There probably weren't any other books written, that have survived through to today in the time of Noah.
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