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The bible was written a long time ago and was used as a way of controlling people. Ordinary people were scared of this thing known as God because they did not understand death. We still do not understand death but at least we understand life a little better.
God was used to explain the unexplainable but now we understand some of the unexplainable. We no longer need God like our ancesters. All we need is hope...
Human nature is destruction and the only thing that we should hope for is that we do not destroy the beautiful planet on which we live. We do not deserve the gifts we have but maybe one day we will be truely gateful for them...
God was used to explain the unexplainable but now we understand some of the unexplainable. We no longer need God like our ancesters. All we need is hope...
Human nature is destruction and the only thing that we should hope for is that we do not destroy the beautiful planet on which we live. We do not deserve the gifts we have but maybe one day we will be truely gateful for them...
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kevstar wrote:
> Take the Bible, apparently the Romans banned any talk of the bible
> for 300 years+, so to me thats 300 years of Chiniese style whispers
> going on underground.
Nuh-uh. Some christians like to believe that as it fuels their persecution complex and vicarious sense of martyrdom.
What actually happened was that, aside from a couple of periods of persecution (none of which lasted more than 20 years; lets say maybe 40-50 years in total under Nero and Diocletian respectively), christians had total freedom of worship.
I suspect the 300 years figure comes from the fact that the Bible didn't exist as a book for at least 300 years (nearer 400 I seem to recall) after the death of Christ.
> Take the Bible, apparently the Romans banned any talk of the bible
> for 300 years+, so to me thats 300 years of Chiniese style whispers
> going on underground.
Nuh-uh. Some christians like to believe that as it fuels their persecution complex and vicarious sense of martyrdom.
What actually happened was that, aside from a couple of periods of persecution (none of which lasted more than 20 years; lets say maybe 40-50 years in total under Nero and Diocletian respectively), christians had total freedom of worship.
I suspect the 300 years figure comes from the fact that the Bible didn't exist as a book for at least 300 years (nearer 400 I seem to recall) after the death of Christ.
Light wrote:
>
> I suspect the 300 years figure comes from the fact that the Bible
> didn't exist as a book for at least 300 years (nearer 400 I seem to
> recall) after the death of Christ.
It's where Constantine was the first recognised Catholic roman empire and tollerated Christianity in about 313AD, before then it was apparently outlawed. This was on telly last week in a program called the real face of St.Nicholas. More info [URL]http://www.darkcoding.net/christianity.py[/URL]
>
> I suspect the 300 years figure comes from the fact that the Bible
> didn't exist as a book for at least 300 years (nearer 400 I seem to
> recall) after the death of Christ.
It's where Constantine was the first recognised Catholic roman empire and tollerated Christianity in about 313AD, before then it was apparently outlawed. This was on telly last week in a program called the real face of St.Nicholas. More info [URL]http://www.darkcoding.net/christianity.py[/URL]
kevstar wrote:
> It's where Constantine was the first recognised Catholic roman empire
> and tollerated Christianity in about 313AD, before then it was
> apparently outlawed. This was on telly last week in a program called
> the real face of St.Nicholas. More info
> [URL]http://www.darkcoding.net/christianity.py[/URL]
Nope; wasn't outlawed at all. There were a few emperors who wanted Christians to swear oaths on the Emperors divinity. When they refused, they were dismissed from office (and, under Nero and Diocletion, persecuted). But that applied to ANYONE refusing to swear such an oath, not just christians.
There was certainly friction between non christians and christians. That's because the latter were on the up (socially speaking), and the former wanted to eliminate a rival faction. Plus most emperors had far more pressing worries than a minor religious sect.
Also, think about it; why would an Emperor suddenly introduce a cult as the official state religion if it was widely persecuted and hated? Elagabalus tried that a few decades earlier, and it cost him his life. Whereas introducing a widely accepted and popular cult guarantees popularity.
> It's where Constantine was the first recognised Catholic roman empire
> and tollerated Christianity in about 313AD, before then it was
> apparently outlawed. This was on telly last week in a program called
> the real face of St.Nicholas. More info
> [URL]http://www.darkcoding.net/christianity.py[/URL]
Nope; wasn't outlawed at all. There were a few emperors who wanted Christians to swear oaths on the Emperors divinity. When they refused, they were dismissed from office (and, under Nero and Diocletion, persecuted). But that applied to ANYONE refusing to swear such an oath, not just christians.
There was certainly friction between non christians and christians. That's because the latter were on the up (socially speaking), and the former wanted to eliminate a rival faction. Plus most emperors had far more pressing worries than a minor religious sect.
Also, think about it; why would an Emperor suddenly introduce a cult as the official state religion if it was widely persecuted and hated? Elagabalus tried that a few decades earlier, and it cost him his life. Whereas introducing a widely accepted and popular cult guarantees popularity.
Light wrote:
>
> Nope; wasn't outlawed at all. There were a few emperors who wanted
> Christians to swear oaths on the Emperors divinity. When they
> refused, they were dismissed from office (and, under Nero and
> Diocletion, persecuted). But that applied to ANYONE refusing to swear
> such an oath, not just christians.
>
> There was certainly friction between non christians and christians.
> That's because the latter were on the up (socially speaking), and the
> former wanted to eliminate a rival faction. Plus most emperors had
> far more pressing worries than a minor religious sect.
>
> Also, think about it; why would an Emperor suddenly introduce a cult
> as the official state religion if it was widely persecuted and hated?
> Elagabalus tried that a few decades earlier, and it cost him his
> life. Whereas introducing a widely accepted and popular cult
> guarantees popularity.
Ok fair enough, I was talking about in Turkey with St Nicholas.
>
> Nope; wasn't outlawed at all. There were a few emperors who wanted
> Christians to swear oaths on the Emperors divinity. When they
> refused, they were dismissed from office (and, under Nero and
> Diocletion, persecuted). But that applied to ANYONE refusing to swear
> such an oath, not just christians.
>
> There was certainly friction between non christians and christians.
> That's because the latter were on the up (socially speaking), and the
> former wanted to eliminate a rival faction. Plus most emperors had
> far more pressing worries than a minor religious sect.
>
> Also, think about it; why would an Emperor suddenly introduce a cult
> as the official state religion if it was widely persecuted and hated?
> Elagabalus tried that a few decades earlier, and it cost him his
> life. Whereas introducing a widely accepted and popular cult
> guarantees popularity.
Ok fair enough, I was talking about in Turkey with St Nicholas.
kevstar wrote:
> Ok fair enough, I was talking about in Turkey with St Nicholas.
St Nick...hang on; that's Santa innit?
> Ok fair enough, I was talking about in Turkey with St Nicholas.
St Nick...hang on; that's Santa innit?
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