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For a while at least. forest fans religious hijacking of every thread posted has p's'ed me off for the last time. If anyone wants me, I'll be in the movies and possibly the chat (shudder) forums until this turns back into "intelligent discussion" and not "forest fan is a xtian"
If he's trolling, he'll be like a pig in s'it.
If he's trolling, he'll be like a pig in s'it.
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Forest Fan wrote:
> Light wrote:
> Forest Fan wrote:
>
>
> If you mean the Truth, I will continue to do so Light. I owe nothing
> to you, where as I do to Jesus, which is why I respect Him enough to
> show you the Truth about Him.
>
> Really? Then how come your 'truth' is full of contradictions,
> evasions, lies, re-edits, and misquotations?
>
> No, contradictions, evations, lies or misquotations. As for
> 're-edits' like I said you can still read the original Hebrew, Greek
> and Aramaic Bible, but not many are that good at languages; hence it
> has been translated, word for word.
You say Christ died for our sins, then you say he can't shrieve them. That is a contradiction.
I've pointed out that your version of Faith is the same mentality as a beaten wife. You've avoided addressing that. That is an evasion.
You said that the 2nd law of thermodynamics disproves evolution. But you neglected to add "...in a closed system". The universe is not a closed system. That is a misquotation.
You say you're not a kid. That is a lie.
You keep re-editing your posts. That speaks for itself.
Yes, you can read the originals. Assuming you can read Aramaic, Hebrew, Greek...what's that Gump? You can't? Why...that would mean you're relying on the translations provided by fallible men, wouldn't it?
>
>
> So lets see if I've deciphered this correctly; the Lord God gave
> free
> will, yes?
>
> Yes, He allows free-will.
>
> He 'allows' it? Freedom either happens or it doesn't. If someone is
> free, it's not on the condition of someone elses say so. We're free,
> or we're not. So which is it?
>
> He has given us free-will, despite knowing what would happen He has
> allowed free-will still.
Not an answer Gump; if he 'allows' it, it isn't free, is it? So which is it; are we free to do as we choose, or are we only allowed to make decisions under God's sufference?
>
>
> Okay...so how does that free will cancel out his
> omniscience? After all, he's God; he can see and do anything. So he
> knew how things would turn out with free will, knows that it will
> end
> in the torture and suffering of billions, and he still does it.
>
> Yes, but He wants man to make His own decision, He is not going to
> decide for them.
>
> Right. So he wants man to decide to love Him, and if they don't,
> he'll have them butchered and tortured for all eternity? That's not
> free will at all, is it Gump? It's a threat.
>
>
> That makes him even more of a psycho than I first thought; he gives
> everything a life full of choices, but only allows you to make one.
> Tell me, does this God of yours get further kicks out of dancing in
> front of the disabled?
>
> He gives free-will like I just explained, yes, free-will Light.
>
> And, unsurprisingly, you're avoiding addressing the simple fact
> that,
> if God did apply free will in the way you say, that makes him a
> monster. Any comment, or are you just gonna keep avoiding using your
> brain and trying to tell us that if we're learn to be as afraid as
> you, we'll be happy? Come on Gump; you said you want to preach. A
> good preacher answers the questions of his flock, he doesn't run
> away
> from them.
>
> The fact He has allowed free-will makes Him very gracious, Light. By
> the way, you're not 'my flock'.
No, but you say you like preaching to the unbelievers, don't you Gump? Well preaching is a two way thing; if you take on the responsibility of preaching, you take on the responsibility to answer the people you preach to.
Anyway, you're still avoiding addressing what a monster your God is to give Free Will and then condemn anyone who doesn't do exactly as He says to eternal torture. I've deliberately left the whole thread on that very point in this post, just so one can see your repeated evasions. Thus far, your increasingly inadequate 'debate' can be summarised as follows;
Light - Makes a point about the contradiction of a loving God and Hell, thus showing that your God is not all loving.
Gump - Yes he is. You're wrong.
Use your brain Gump, because as things stand you're doing a fabulous job of convincing any waverers that Christianity is a religion for the simple.
> Light wrote:
> Forest Fan wrote:
>
>
> If you mean the Truth, I will continue to do so Light. I owe nothing
> to you, where as I do to Jesus, which is why I respect Him enough to
> show you the Truth about Him.
>
> Really? Then how come your 'truth' is full of contradictions,
> evasions, lies, re-edits, and misquotations?
>
> No, contradictions, evations, lies or misquotations. As for
> 're-edits' like I said you can still read the original Hebrew, Greek
> and Aramaic Bible, but not many are that good at languages; hence it
> has been translated, word for word.
You say Christ died for our sins, then you say he can't shrieve them. That is a contradiction.
I've pointed out that your version of Faith is the same mentality as a beaten wife. You've avoided addressing that. That is an evasion.
You said that the 2nd law of thermodynamics disproves evolution. But you neglected to add "...in a closed system". The universe is not a closed system. That is a misquotation.
You say you're not a kid. That is a lie.
You keep re-editing your posts. That speaks for itself.
Yes, you can read the originals. Assuming you can read Aramaic, Hebrew, Greek...what's that Gump? You can't? Why...that would mean you're relying on the translations provided by fallible men, wouldn't it?
>
>
> So lets see if I've deciphered this correctly; the Lord God gave
> free
> will, yes?
>
> Yes, He allows free-will.
>
> He 'allows' it? Freedom either happens or it doesn't. If someone is
> free, it's not on the condition of someone elses say so. We're free,
> or we're not. So which is it?
>
> He has given us free-will, despite knowing what would happen He has
> allowed free-will still.
Not an answer Gump; if he 'allows' it, it isn't free, is it? So which is it; are we free to do as we choose, or are we only allowed to make decisions under God's sufference?
>
>
> Okay...so how does that free will cancel out his
> omniscience? After all, he's God; he can see and do anything. So he
> knew how things would turn out with free will, knows that it will
> end
> in the torture and suffering of billions, and he still does it.
>
> Yes, but He wants man to make His own decision, He is not going to
> decide for them.
>
> Right. So he wants man to decide to love Him, and if they don't,
> he'll have them butchered and tortured for all eternity? That's not
> free will at all, is it Gump? It's a threat.
>
>
> That makes him even more of a psycho than I first thought; he gives
> everything a life full of choices, but only allows you to make one.
> Tell me, does this God of yours get further kicks out of dancing in
> front of the disabled?
>
> He gives free-will like I just explained, yes, free-will Light.
>
> And, unsurprisingly, you're avoiding addressing the simple fact
> that,
> if God did apply free will in the way you say, that makes him a
> monster. Any comment, or are you just gonna keep avoiding using your
> brain and trying to tell us that if we're learn to be as afraid as
> you, we'll be happy? Come on Gump; you said you want to preach. A
> good preacher answers the questions of his flock, he doesn't run
> away
> from them.
>
> The fact He has allowed free-will makes Him very gracious, Light. By
> the way, you're not 'my flock'.
No, but you say you like preaching to the unbelievers, don't you Gump? Well preaching is a two way thing; if you take on the responsibility of preaching, you take on the responsibility to answer the people you preach to.
Anyway, you're still avoiding addressing what a monster your God is to give Free Will and then condemn anyone who doesn't do exactly as He says to eternal torture. I've deliberately left the whole thread on that very point in this post, just so one can see your repeated evasions. Thus far, your increasingly inadequate 'debate' can be summarised as follows;
Light - Makes a point about the contradiction of a loving God and Hell, thus showing that your God is not all loving.
Gump - Yes he is. You're wrong.
Use your brain Gump, because as things stand you're doing a fabulous job of convincing any waverers that Christianity is a religion for the simple.
Edgy wrote:
> Pandaemonium wrote:
> I'm suprised you aren't on here all day then,
> preaching to the unclean.
>
> He is isn't he?
Most of the time, but somethings I've noticed a pattern during the day. If I was anal enough, I'd map it out, but to be honest I can't be a'sed.
> Pandaemonium wrote:
> I'm suprised you aren't on here all day then,
> preaching to the unclean.
>
> He is isn't he?
Most of the time, but somethings I've noticed a pattern during the day. If I was anal enough, I'd map it out, but to be honest I can't be a'sed.
Pandaemonium wrote:
I'm suprised you aren't on here all day then,
> preaching to the unclean.
He is isn't he?
I'm suprised you aren't on here all day then,
> preaching to the unclean.
He is isn't he?
Forest Fan wrote:
> I believe the children are on their Easter holidays Pandaemonium.
Heh, so they are. I'm suprised you aren't on here all day then, preaching to the unclean.
> I believe the children are on their Easter holidays Pandaemonium.
Heh, so they are. I'm suprised you aren't on here all day then, preaching to the unclean.
Light wrote:
> Forest Fan wrote:
>
>
> If you mean the Truth, I will continue to do so Light. I owe nothing
> to you, where as I do to Jesus, which is why I respect Him enough to
> show you the Truth about Him.
>
> Really? Then how come your 'truth' is full of contradictions,
> evasions, lies, re-edits, and misquotations?
No, contradictions, evations, lies or misquotations. As for 're-edits' like I said you can still read the original Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic Bible, but not many are that good at languages; hence it has been translated, word for word.
>
>
> So lets see if I've deciphered this correctly; the Lord God gave
> free
> will, yes?
>
> Yes, He allows free-will.
>
> He 'allows' it? Freedom either happens or it doesn't. If someone is
> free, it's not on the condition of someone elses say so. We're free,
> or we're not. So which is it?
He has given us free-will, despite knowing what would happen He has allowed free-will still.
>
>
> Okay...so how does that free will cancel out his
> omniscience? After all, he's God; he can see and do anything. So he
> knew how things would turn out with free will, knows that it will
> end
> in the torture and suffering of billions, and he still does it.
>
> Yes, but He wants man to make His own decision, He is not going to
> decide for them.
>
> Right. So he wants man to decide to love Him, and if they don't,
> he'll have them butchered and tortured for all eternity? That's not
> free will at all, is it Gump? It's a threat.
>
>
> That makes him even more of a psycho than I first thought; he gives
> everything a life full of choices, but only allows you to make one.
> Tell me, does this God of yours get further kicks out of dancing in
> front of the disabled?
>
> He gives free-will like I just explained, yes, free-will Light.
>
> And, unsurprisingly, you're avoiding addressing the simple fact that,
> if God did apply free will in the way you say, that makes him a
> monster. Any comment, or are you just gonna keep avoiding using your
> brain and trying to tell us that if we're learn to be as afraid as
> you, we'll be happy? Come on Gump; you said you want to preach. A
> good preacher answers the questions of his flock, he doesn't run away
> from them.
The fact He has allowed free-will makes Him very gracious, Light. By the way, you're not 'my flock'.
> Forest Fan wrote:
>
>
> If you mean the Truth, I will continue to do so Light. I owe nothing
> to you, where as I do to Jesus, which is why I respect Him enough to
> show you the Truth about Him.
>
> Really? Then how come your 'truth' is full of contradictions,
> evasions, lies, re-edits, and misquotations?
No, contradictions, evations, lies or misquotations. As for 're-edits' like I said you can still read the original Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic Bible, but not many are that good at languages; hence it has been translated, word for word.
>
>
> So lets see if I've deciphered this correctly; the Lord God gave
> free
> will, yes?
>
> Yes, He allows free-will.
>
> He 'allows' it? Freedom either happens or it doesn't. If someone is
> free, it's not on the condition of someone elses say so. We're free,
> or we're not. So which is it?
He has given us free-will, despite knowing what would happen He has allowed free-will still.
>
>
> Okay...so how does that free will cancel out his
> omniscience? After all, he's God; he can see and do anything. So he
> knew how things would turn out with free will, knows that it will
> end
> in the torture and suffering of billions, and he still does it.
>
> Yes, but He wants man to make His own decision, He is not going to
> decide for them.
>
> Right. So he wants man to decide to love Him, and if they don't,
> he'll have them butchered and tortured for all eternity? That's not
> free will at all, is it Gump? It's a threat.
>
>
> That makes him even more of a psycho than I first thought; he gives
> everything a life full of choices, but only allows you to make one.
> Tell me, does this God of yours get further kicks out of dancing in
> front of the disabled?
>
> He gives free-will like I just explained, yes, free-will Light.
>
> And, unsurprisingly, you're avoiding addressing the simple fact that,
> if God did apply free will in the way you say, that makes him a
> monster. Any comment, or are you just gonna keep avoiding using your
> brain and trying to tell us that if we're learn to be as afraid as
> you, we'll be happy? Come on Gump; you said you want to preach. A
> good preacher answers the questions of his flock, he doesn't run away
> from them.
The fact He has allowed free-will makes Him very gracious, Light. By the way, you're not 'my flock'.
Pandaemonium wrote:
> Forest Fan wrote:
> yada, yade, yada, the usual b'lls'it.
>
> Are you on another school break? I'm only asking becuse you seem to
> be on for a short while, disappear for an hour, then reappear at
> regular times. I.e. playtime.
I believe the children are on their Easter holidays Pandaemonium.
> Forest Fan wrote:
> yada, yade, yada, the usual b'lls'it.
>
> Are you on another school break? I'm only asking becuse you seem to
> be on for a short while, disappear for an hour, then reappear at
> regular times. I.e. playtime.
I believe the children are on their Easter holidays Pandaemonium.
Forest Fan wrote:
>
> If you mean the Truth, I will continue to do so Light. I owe nothing
> to you, where as I do to Jesus, which is why I respect Him enough to
> show you the Truth about Him.
Really? Then how come your 'truth' is full of contradictions, evasions, lies, re-edits, and misquotations?
>
>
> So lets see if I've deciphered this correctly; the Lord God gave
> free
> will, yes?
>
> Yes, He allows free-will.
He 'allows' it? Freedom either happens or it doesn't. If someone is free, it's not on the condition of someone elses say so. We're free, or we're not. So which is it?
>
>
> Okay...so how does that free will cancel out his
> omniscience? After all, he's God; he can see and do anything. So he
> knew how things would turn out with free will, knows that it will
> end
> in the torture and suffering of billions, and he still does it.
>
> Yes, but He wants man to make His own decision, He is not going to
> decide for them.
Right. So he wants man to decide to love Him, and if they don't, he'll have them butchered and tortured for all eternity? That's not free will at all, is it Gump? It's a threat.
>
> That makes him even more of a psycho than I first thought; he gives
> everything a life full of choices, but only allows you to make one.
> Tell me, does this God of yours get further kicks out of dancing in
> front of the disabled?
>
> He gives free-will like I just explained, yes, free-will Light.
And, unsurprisingly, you're avoiding addressing the simple fact that, if God did apply free will in the way you say, that makes him a monster. Any comment, or are you just gonna keep avoiding using your brain and trying to tell us that if we're learn to be as afraid as you, we'll be happy? Come on Gump; you said you want to preach. A good preacher answers the questions of his flock, he doesn't run away from them.
>
> If you mean the Truth, I will continue to do so Light. I owe nothing
> to you, where as I do to Jesus, which is why I respect Him enough to
> show you the Truth about Him.
Really? Then how come your 'truth' is full of contradictions, evasions, lies, re-edits, and misquotations?
>
>
> So lets see if I've deciphered this correctly; the Lord God gave
> free
> will, yes?
>
> Yes, He allows free-will.
He 'allows' it? Freedom either happens or it doesn't. If someone is free, it's not on the condition of someone elses say so. We're free, or we're not. So which is it?
>
>
> Okay...so how does that free will cancel out his
> omniscience? After all, he's God; he can see and do anything. So he
> knew how things would turn out with free will, knows that it will
> end
> in the torture and suffering of billions, and he still does it.
>
> Yes, but He wants man to make His own decision, He is not going to
> decide for them.
Right. So he wants man to decide to love Him, and if they don't, he'll have them butchered and tortured for all eternity? That's not free will at all, is it Gump? It's a threat.
>
> That makes him even more of a psycho than I first thought; he gives
> everything a life full of choices, but only allows you to make one.
> Tell me, does this God of yours get further kicks out of dancing in
> front of the disabled?
>
> He gives free-will like I just explained, yes, free-will Light.
And, unsurprisingly, you're avoiding addressing the simple fact that, if God did apply free will in the way you say, that makes him a monster. Any comment, or are you just gonna keep avoiding using your brain and trying to tell us that if we're learn to be as afraid as you, we'll be happy? Come on Gump; you said you want to preach. A good preacher answers the questions of his flock, he doesn't run away from them.
Forest Fan wrote:
> yada, yade, yada, the usual b'lls'it.
Are you on another school break? I'm only asking becuse you seem to be on for a short while, disappear for an hour, then reappear at regular times. I.e. playtime.
> yada, yade, yada, the usual b'lls'it.
Are you on another school break? I'm only asking becuse you seem to be on for a short while, disappear for an hour, then reappear at regular times. I.e. playtime.
Light wrote:
> Forest Fan wrote:
> Regarding your point about the Lord's Will and Him knowing He did,
> but
> out of His immense grace He gave free-will.
>
>
> Speak in English rather than mangled half sentences please Gump.
If you mean the Truth, I will continue to do so Light. I owe nothing to you, where as I do to Jesus, which is why I respect Him enough to show you the Truth about Him.
>
> So lets see if I've deciphered this correctly; the Lord God gave free
> will, yes?
Yes, He allows free-will.
Okay...so how does that free will cancel out his
> omniscience? After all, he's God; he can see and do anything. So he
> knew how things would turn out with free will, knows that it will end
> in the torture and suffering of billions, and he still does it.
Yes, but He wants man to make His own decision, He is not going to decide for them.
That makes him even more of a psycho than I first thought; he gives
> everything a life full of choices, but only allows you to make one.
> Tell me, does this God of yours get further kicks out of dancing in
> front of the disabled?
He gives free-will like I just explained, yes, free-will Light.
> Forest Fan wrote:
> Regarding your point about the Lord's Will and Him knowing He did,
> but
> out of His immense grace He gave free-will.
>
>
> Speak in English rather than mangled half sentences please Gump.
If you mean the Truth, I will continue to do so Light. I owe nothing to you, where as I do to Jesus, which is why I respect Him enough to show you the Truth about Him.
>
> So lets see if I've deciphered this correctly; the Lord God gave free
> will, yes?
Yes, He allows free-will.
Okay...so how does that free will cancel out his
> omniscience? After all, he's God; he can see and do anything. So he
> knew how things would turn out with free will, knows that it will end
> in the torture and suffering of billions, and he still does it.
Yes, but He wants man to make His own decision, He is not going to decide for them.
That makes him even more of a psycho than I first thought; he gives
> everything a life full of choices, but only allows you to make one.
> Tell me, does this God of yours get further kicks out of dancing in
> front of the disabled?
He gives free-will like I just explained, yes, free-will Light.
Forest Fan wrote:
> Regarding your point about the Lord's Will and Him knowing He did, but
> out of His immense grace He gave free-will.
Speak in English rather than mangled half sentences please Gump.
So lets see if I've deciphered this correctly; the Lord God gave free will, yes? Okay...so how does that free will cancel out his omniscience? After all, he's God; he can see and do anything. So he knew how things would turn out with free will, knows that it will end in the torture and suffering of billions, and he still does it. That makes him even more of a psycho than I first thought; he gives everything a life full of choices, but only allows you to make one. Tell me, does this God of yours get further kicks out of dancing in front of the disabled?
> Regarding your point about the Lord's Will and Him knowing He did, but
> out of His immense grace He gave free-will.
Speak in English rather than mangled half sentences please Gump.
So lets see if I've deciphered this correctly; the Lord God gave free will, yes? Okay...so how does that free will cancel out his omniscience? After all, he's God; he can see and do anything. So he knew how things would turn out with free will, knows that it will end in the torture and suffering of billions, and he still does it. That makes him even more of a psycho than I first thought; he gives everything a life full of choices, but only allows you to make one. Tell me, does this God of yours get further kicks out of dancing in front of the disabled?
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