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I heard two people talking about this the other night, and was wondering what you guys thought. Is being gay in your DNA, or is it 'acquired' through your life?
So yeh, enlighten me...
So yeh, enlighten me...
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Forest, you’re becoming somewhat of a haemoid to me…a pain in the ar$e.
Light wrote:
> I'll tell you what; how about you address;
>
> 1 - The fact that you have to follow both old and new law due to your
> judaism and christianity, thus rendering you mewlings about "The
> law has changed" irrelevant and thus showing you to be a
> hypocrite.
But I don't follow the old law. Do I? The law under Moses was correct - but Jesus fufilled it and today we live in the age of Grace - no more sacrifices are required.
>
> 2 - The posts concerning incidences of homosexuality in nature
I have read through the article and once again found it most interesting.
>
> 3 - The fact that, if you are as you claim "not religious",
> you therefore do not believe in God
As I have explained - I follow a 'faith' and a 'belief', but not a religion - because a religion states how you must reach up to God - which is of course nonsense - because God reached down to us with Christ Jesus.
>
> 4 - The fact that you misquoted the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics and
> despite having your borrowed argument shredded, you still kept using
> it.
The Second Law of Thermodynamics does disprove Evolution and even scientists agree that it does.
>
> 5 - The fact that your message of love revolves around absolute fear
> of an Abusive God.
My love for God is one of admiration and thanksgiving. Plus once you have accepted Jesus you are in no danger of losing salvation - so I don't ever fear if I do something - that I will lose my salvation, because I can't.
>
> 6 - The fact that most of the religious newbies who've posted in
> recent weeks are you.
Archangel? A friend, have you seen his posting times? His style of posts? All different. Archangel is a friend, if you look carefully at his posts, I'm sure you'll figure out it's not me.
>
>
> Address some of those, and then we will have a genuine Q and A
> session. And by 'answer' I mean 'answer and explain'. Not a
> transparent "If I give a one word answer, then he can't keep
> questioning me" gambit.
I've addressed all those points.
For your part.
1 - Refer to me as Forest Fan and not Gump.
2 - Stop starting threads purely based to 'wind me up' and try to stir others to hatred against me.
3 - If you have a question, ask it politely. By simply addressing your question, I'll get it answered - again don't use your question to try and belittle me.
4 - Accept that I am no other members. Other Christians do exist and I am sure they will continue to use these forums. Myself, Colourless, Flanders, Archangel, Lil Ginge and many others are Christians - I couldn't possibly be all those people.
5 - When I answer a question - don't get angry, just because you don't agree with the answer - otherwise, what would be the point of the question?
6 - Understand that the law has changed under Jesus and that the Bible clearly states that we have been given a New Covenant and a New Law as we live in the age of grace.
7 - Accept that I am a Hebrew Christian. Hebrew in background and a practising Christian.
8 - Accept I am not religious, as religions try and reach up to God, when Jesus reached down to us, when He came down to Earth.
> I'll tell you what; how about you address;
>
> 1 - The fact that you have to follow both old and new law due to your
> judaism and christianity, thus rendering you mewlings about "The
> law has changed" irrelevant and thus showing you to be a
> hypocrite.
But I don't follow the old law. Do I? The law under Moses was correct - but Jesus fufilled it and today we live in the age of Grace - no more sacrifices are required.
>
> 2 - The posts concerning incidences of homosexuality in nature
I have read through the article and once again found it most interesting.
>
> 3 - The fact that, if you are as you claim "not religious",
> you therefore do not believe in God
As I have explained - I follow a 'faith' and a 'belief', but not a religion - because a religion states how you must reach up to God - which is of course nonsense - because God reached down to us with Christ Jesus.
>
> 4 - The fact that you misquoted the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics and
> despite having your borrowed argument shredded, you still kept using
> it.
The Second Law of Thermodynamics does disprove Evolution and even scientists agree that it does.
>
> 5 - The fact that your message of love revolves around absolute fear
> of an Abusive God.
My love for God is one of admiration and thanksgiving. Plus once you have accepted Jesus you are in no danger of losing salvation - so I don't ever fear if I do something - that I will lose my salvation, because I can't.
>
> 6 - The fact that most of the religious newbies who've posted in
> recent weeks are you.
Archangel? A friend, have you seen his posting times? His style of posts? All different. Archangel is a friend, if you look carefully at his posts, I'm sure you'll figure out it's not me.
>
>
> Address some of those, and then we will have a genuine Q and A
> session. And by 'answer' I mean 'answer and explain'. Not a
> transparent "If I give a one word answer, then he can't keep
> questioning me" gambit.
I've addressed all those points.
For your part.
1 - Refer to me as Forest Fan and not Gump.
2 - Stop starting threads purely based to 'wind me up' and try to stir others to hatred against me.
3 - If you have a question, ask it politely. By simply addressing your question, I'll get it answered - again don't use your question to try and belittle me.
4 - Accept that I am no other members. Other Christians do exist and I am sure they will continue to use these forums. Myself, Colourless, Flanders, Archangel, Lil Ginge and many others are Christians - I couldn't possibly be all those people.
5 - When I answer a question - don't get angry, just because you don't agree with the answer - otherwise, what would be the point of the question?
6 - Understand that the law has changed under Jesus and that the Bible clearly states that we have been given a New Covenant and a New Law as we live in the age of grace.
7 - Accept that I am a Hebrew Christian. Hebrew in background and a practising Christian.
8 - Accept I am not religious, as religions try and reach up to God, when Jesus reached down to us, when He came down to Earth.
Forest Fan wrote:
> What questions would these be? Because I answered a whole batch
> almost entirely 'yes' or 'no' and he still managed to have a problem
> with the answers.
Well now; if you were genuinely interested in debate, you'd know that answers to questions can cause more questions to arise. And that is what happened. But you, being a gutless hypocrite, ran away.
Also, you may not be aware of this (being only 15, you don't have much life experience), but "yes" and "no" answers are unsatisfactory in a debate; the logic behind them also needs clarifying.
> What questions would these be? Because I answered a whole batch
> almost entirely 'yes' or 'no' and he still managed to have a problem
> with the answers.
Well now; if you were genuinely interested in debate, you'd know that answers to questions can cause more questions to arise. And that is what happened. But you, being a gutless hypocrite, ran away.
Also, you may not be aware of this (being only 15, you don't have much life experience), but "yes" and "no" answers are unsatisfactory in a debate; the logic behind them also needs clarifying.
Forest Fan wrote:
> What questions would these be? Because I answered a whole batch
> almost entirely 'yes' or 'no' and he still managed to have a problem
> with the answers.
Well, homosexuality in the natural world for a start. Which I also have posted information about to question you.
Damn, you're quite the adept at deluding yourself eh?
Anyway. I'm off for a while. Try to answer some questions huh?
You've credibility is dropping daily, and will continue to do so until you engage in debate.
> What questions would these be? Because I answered a whole batch
> almost entirely 'yes' or 'no' and he still managed to have a problem
> with the answers.
Well, homosexuality in the natural world for a start. Which I also have posted information about to question you.
Damn, you're quite the adept at deluding yourself eh?
Anyway. I'm off for a while. Try to answer some questions huh?
You've credibility is dropping daily, and will continue to do so until you engage in debate.
Forest Fan wrote:
> Light, this is interesting. I have tried to discuss things sensibly,
> maturely and yet you seem to insist on denegrading yourself to the
> level of playground insults. Referring to me as 'Gump', continually
> trying to belittle me, it's as if, by doing this - you can avoid the
> main purpose of these discussions. Other members, I have found -
> pleasant or not, still seem to want to discuss - even argue, which I
> have no problem with. But with you, you seem to have some sort of
> problem with what I am doing. You seem to hate - everything I'm
> standing for. If I answer one of your points, instead of accepting it
> and moving on to your next question you will write pages and pages of
> how much you dislike me and my answers. I don't spend ages rubbishing
> your answers - yet you seem to want to do this to me. Don't worry,
> I'm not getting offended... but I think you are.
All of which is self deluding lies. You have, since your arrival on this board, posted lies and misquotation. You have avoided answering people's questions, you have ignored everything that has been posted in rebuttal of what you say, and then you lie through your teeth and claim you've given an answer when in fact all you've done is ran away and pretended that you never read the post in the first place. You've demanded that others follow archaic laws on conduct that you don't even understand yourself. You've preached your views and got upset when they're ridiculed, yet you feel happy to ridicule the beliefs of others. You've shown absolutely no respect to a single other poster on this board, yet you've demanded that you receive respect from others. Hence I belittle you; you've had more than enough opportunities to show some respect, and you've refused. So you're reaping what you've sown.
You don't spend ages rubbishing my answers, because you have no response to them. I spend ages rubbishing yours because they are rubbish. You're clearly getting offended because your posting rate is down, and in the last 2 days you've spent more time telling me to leave you alone than you have posting the egocentric and self aggrandising bull that you normally do.
You're not interested in discussion. You're interested in posting things that make you feel good about yourself. You're a fundamentally unhappy child who's mental fragmentation is visible for all to see. Does a sane man try to imply he's the Son of God? No. But you do. Does a genuine debate consist of one man repeating the same mantra over and over, regardless of what others say? No. But that's what you do.
I've already explain why I despise everything you stand for, and like a true egotist, you've pretended that post was never made. You're absolutely contemptible, and I feel obliged to help you prove to everyone just how contemptible you are.
>
> I think there is something in what I am telling you - you don't like
> and it's not just me, I just think you're scared of the truth - what
> I might tell you. So a question, are you going to make this a
> question and answer session or a Forest Fan slagging session?
Ahh, here we go; the "he has such hatred for me that it must be his problem, because it can't be anything to do with me because I am simply anassailable in my perfection". Heheheh...you fundamentalists are good fun like that; try to reflect the questions back on the questioner. Thing is, I'm not as insecure in myself as you and so I have no problem with an ignorant little boy trying to scare me away.
I'll tell you what; how about you address;
1 - The fact that you have to follow both old and new law due to your judaism and christianity, thus rendering you mewlings about "The law has changed" irrelevant and thus showing you to be a hypocrite.
2 - The posts concerning incidences of homosexuality in nature
3 - The fact that, if you are as you claim "not religious", you therefore do not believe in God
4 - The fact that you misquoted the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics and despite having your borrowed argument shredded, you still kept using it.
5 - The fact that your message of love revolves around absolute fear of an Abusive God.
6 - The fact that most of the religious newbies who've posted in recent weeks are you.
Address some of those, and then we will have a genuine Q and A session. And by 'answer' I mean 'answer and explain'. Not a transparent "If I give a one word answer, then he can't keep questioning me" gambit.
> Light, this is interesting. I have tried to discuss things sensibly,
> maturely and yet you seem to insist on denegrading yourself to the
> level of playground insults. Referring to me as 'Gump', continually
> trying to belittle me, it's as if, by doing this - you can avoid the
> main purpose of these discussions. Other members, I have found -
> pleasant or not, still seem to want to discuss - even argue, which I
> have no problem with. But with you, you seem to have some sort of
> problem with what I am doing. You seem to hate - everything I'm
> standing for. If I answer one of your points, instead of accepting it
> and moving on to your next question you will write pages and pages of
> how much you dislike me and my answers. I don't spend ages rubbishing
> your answers - yet you seem to want to do this to me. Don't worry,
> I'm not getting offended... but I think you are.
All of which is self deluding lies. You have, since your arrival on this board, posted lies and misquotation. You have avoided answering people's questions, you have ignored everything that has been posted in rebuttal of what you say, and then you lie through your teeth and claim you've given an answer when in fact all you've done is ran away and pretended that you never read the post in the first place. You've demanded that others follow archaic laws on conduct that you don't even understand yourself. You've preached your views and got upset when they're ridiculed, yet you feel happy to ridicule the beliefs of others. You've shown absolutely no respect to a single other poster on this board, yet you've demanded that you receive respect from others. Hence I belittle you; you've had more than enough opportunities to show some respect, and you've refused. So you're reaping what you've sown.
You don't spend ages rubbishing my answers, because you have no response to them. I spend ages rubbishing yours because they are rubbish. You're clearly getting offended because your posting rate is down, and in the last 2 days you've spent more time telling me to leave you alone than you have posting the egocentric and self aggrandising bull that you normally do.
You're not interested in discussion. You're interested in posting things that make you feel good about yourself. You're a fundamentally unhappy child who's mental fragmentation is visible for all to see. Does a sane man try to imply he's the Son of God? No. But you do. Does a genuine debate consist of one man repeating the same mantra over and over, regardless of what others say? No. But that's what you do.
I've already explain why I despise everything you stand for, and like a true egotist, you've pretended that post was never made. You're absolutely contemptible, and I feel obliged to help you prove to everyone just how contemptible you are.
>
> I think there is something in what I am telling you - you don't like
> and it's not just me, I just think you're scared of the truth - what
> I might tell you. So a question, are you going to make this a
> question and answer session or a Forest Fan slagging session?
Ahh, here we go; the "he has such hatred for me that it must be his problem, because it can't be anything to do with me because I am simply anassailable in my perfection". Heheheh...you fundamentalists are good fun like that; try to reflect the questions back on the questioner. Thing is, I'm not as insecure in myself as you and so I have no problem with an ignorant little boy trying to scare me away.
I'll tell you what; how about you address;
1 - The fact that you have to follow both old and new law due to your judaism and christianity, thus rendering you mewlings about "The law has changed" irrelevant and thus showing you to be a hypocrite.
2 - The posts concerning incidences of homosexuality in nature
3 - The fact that, if you are as you claim "not religious", you therefore do not believe in God
4 - The fact that you misquoted the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics and despite having your borrowed argument shredded, you still kept using it.
5 - The fact that your message of love revolves around absolute fear of an Abusive God.
6 - The fact that most of the religious newbies who've posted in recent weeks are you.
Address some of those, and then we will have a genuine Q and A session. And by 'answer' I mean 'answer and explain'. Not a transparent "If I give a one word answer, then he can't keep questioning me" gambit.
Pandaemonium wrote:
> Forest Fan wrote:
> That's just the thing. Because the quotes from the Bible - sound
> like
> fact, which is how I choose to interpretate them - you say I must be
> being ignorant. Actually I'm just quoting the Bible in the sense it
> was written in - a factual book.
>
> No, I'm saying you are not answering questions put to you by Light.
What questions would these be? Because I answered a whole batch almost entirely 'yes' or 'no' and he still managed to have a problem with the answers.
> Forest Fan wrote:
> That's just the thing. Because the quotes from the Bible - sound
> like
> fact, which is how I choose to interpretate them - you say I must be
> being ignorant. Actually I'm just quoting the Bible in the sense it
> was written in - a factual book.
>
> No, I'm saying you are not answering questions put to you by Light.
What questions would these be? Because I answered a whole batch almost entirely 'yes' or 'no' and he still managed to have a problem with the answers.
Forest Fan wrote:
> That's just the thing. Because the quotes from the Bible - sound like
> fact, which is how I choose to interpretate them - you say I must be
> being ignorant. Actually I'm just quoting the Bible in the sense it
> was written in - a factual book.
No, I'm saying you are not answering questions put to you by Light.
> That's just the thing. Because the quotes from the Bible - sound like
> fact, which is how I choose to interpretate them - you say I must be
> being ignorant. Actually I'm just quoting the Bible in the sense it
> was written in - a factual book.
No, I'm saying you are not answering questions put to you by Light.
Pandaemonium wrote:
> Forest Fan wrote:
> Light, this is interesting.
>
> You've gotta be kidding me forest, You're not debating ANYTHING.
>
> [URL]http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/images/07-minister.jpg[/URL]
>
> By answering questions instead of running, you would be debating.
That's just the thing. Because the quotes from the Bible - sound like fact, which is how I choose to interpretate them - you say I must be being ignorant. Actually I'm just quoting the Bible in the sense it was written in - a factual book.
> Forest Fan wrote:
> Light, this is interesting.
>
> You've gotta be kidding me forest, You're not debating ANYTHING.
>
> [URL]http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/images/07-minister.jpg[/URL]
>
> By answering questions instead of running, you would be debating.
That's just the thing. Because the quotes from the Bible - sound like fact, which is how I choose to interpretate them - you say I must be being ignorant. Actually I'm just quoting the Bible in the sense it was written in - a factual book.
Forest Fan wrote:
> Light, this is interesting.
You've gotta be kidding me forest, You're not debating ANYTHING.
[URL]http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/images/07-minister.jpg[/URL]
By answering questions instead of running, you would be debating.
> Light, this is interesting.
You've gotta be kidding me forest, You're not debating ANYTHING.
[URL]http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/images/07-minister.jpg[/URL]
By answering questions instead of running, you would be debating.
Light, this is interesting. I have tried to discuss things sensibly, maturely and yet you seem to insist on denegrading yourself to the level of playground insults. Referring to me as 'Gump', continually trying to belittle me, it's as if, by doing this - you can avoid the main purpose of these discussions. Other members, I have found - pleasant or not, still seem to want to discuss - even argue, which I have no problem with. But with you, you seem to have some sort of problem with what I am doing. You seem to hate - everything I'm standing for. If I answer one of your points, instead of accepting it and moving on to your next question you will write pages and pages of how much you dislike me and my answers. I don't spend ages rubbishing your answers - yet you seem to want to do this to me. Don't worry, I'm not getting offended... but I think you are.
I think there is something in what I am telling you - you don't like and it's not just me, I just think you're scared of the truth - what I might tell you. So a question, are you going to make this a question and answer session or a Forest Fan slagging session?
I think there is something in what I am telling you - you don't like and it's not just me, I just think you're scared of the truth - what I might tell you. So a question, are you going to make this a question and answer session or a Forest Fan slagging session?
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