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It was just a few years ago, growing up in a Hebrew Christian family, that I went to Church, had faith, prayed - occasionally and read the Bible - again occasionally. Then the boss of my father, invited us all over to the States, for a conference on Jewish teachings in the Bible. It was my first time away and I enjoyed the time, but something better, more amazing happened. There in sunny USA for the first time, in the desert of Arizona something else happened...
As I was really a man now, it was time for me to make a decision about Jesus and this trip, made up my mind, that I wanted Jesus and wanted to avoid Hell. I was sitting in a room, when I asked Jesus into my heart. I suddenly felt the difference, I was relieved, my sins were off my shoulders and on the cross. Jesus was living in me, in my life and in my heart. What a great day! You might think, is it really that easy? Do you really just pray and feel different? The answer is YES. If you confess you are a SINNER, you believe Jesus died for YOUR SINS and He LOVES YOU, you will be saved! That's what I did anyway.
Anyway, thinking that was it for the day, having asked Jesus into my heart - enough for one day, I went to bed. Next morning I woke up early to reflect on the previous day, when a gleem of light, glistened through the bathroom door. I opened it, to get ready for the day, when I went to the sink, to wash. As I reached for the sink (with nothing on my feet), I wobbled unsteadily, before I felt myself falling. It felt like minutes, but in reality, it was seconds, before I fell... head-first straight onto the cold, hard, marble like bathroom floor. I was soon carried away and into safety, but the pain wrang around in my head, for days.
As I went back down to the conference, head still hurting, most of the ateendees met with me and they told me that I had been attacked by Satan, but the Lord had protected me. How true that sounded! I had no long lasting damage to my head and enjoyed the rest of my trip. I met Archangel out there and His name reminds me that the angels looked after me in Arizona. I never really thought much about hurting my head, because it soon healed after much ice and rest, but recently I reminded myself of it. I was doubting I was really saved, when the Lord reminded me I am on the Lord's side and I accepted Him the day I was saved and Satan tried to get me the next day - but he was just too late.
As I was really a man now, it was time for me to make a decision about Jesus and this trip, made up my mind, that I wanted Jesus and wanted to avoid Hell. I was sitting in a room, when I asked Jesus into my heart. I suddenly felt the difference, I was relieved, my sins were off my shoulders and on the cross. Jesus was living in me, in my life and in my heart. What a great day! You might think, is it really that easy? Do you really just pray and feel different? The answer is YES. If you confess you are a SINNER, you believe Jesus died for YOUR SINS and He LOVES YOU, you will be saved! That's what I did anyway.
Anyway, thinking that was it for the day, having asked Jesus into my heart - enough for one day, I went to bed. Next morning I woke up early to reflect on the previous day, when a gleem of light, glistened through the bathroom door. I opened it, to get ready for the day, when I went to the sink, to wash. As I reached for the sink (with nothing on my feet), I wobbled unsteadily, before I felt myself falling. It felt like minutes, but in reality, it was seconds, before I fell... head-first straight onto the cold, hard, marble like bathroom floor. I was soon carried away and into safety, but the pain wrang around in my head, for days.
As I went back down to the conference, head still hurting, most of the ateendees met with me and they told me that I had been attacked by Satan, but the Lord had protected me. How true that sounded! I had no long lasting damage to my head and enjoyed the rest of my trip. I met Archangel out there and His name reminds me that the angels looked after me in Arizona. I never really thought much about hurting my head, because it soon healed after much ice and rest, but recently I reminded myself of it. I was doubting I was really saved, when the Lord reminded me I am on the Lord's side and I accepted Him the day I was saved and Satan tried to get me the next day - but he was just too late.
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I'm not, Light has compared God to a wife-beater, moving the goalposts, I'm trying to show that standing up to a paedophile is right, call it moving the goalposts, if you will, but just as Light is comparing the situation, so am I.
Forest Fan wrote:
> Pandaemonium wrote:
> I however do not think *anyone* deserves a beating.
>
> I take it this is your answer.
>
> Using this logic, what would you do if a burglar or paedophile
> grabbed one of your children in the street and the only way to get
> him off your child was to give him a 'beating'?
Well, I can hardly see a burglar grabbing a child off the street. A burglar tends to break into homes to steal but anyhoo.
That's not the point I'm making.
The point is that your god threatens people with eternal damnation if they do not accept him. Light is making the point that this is *similar* to a wife beater's "do as I say or I give you a slap, but I do it because I love you" mantra which is *anything* but "unconditional love".
Stop trying to move the goalposts.
> Pandaemonium wrote:
> I however do not think *anyone* deserves a beating.
>
> I take it this is your answer.
>
> Using this logic, what would you do if a burglar or paedophile
> grabbed one of your children in the street and the only way to get
> him off your child was to give him a 'beating'?
Well, I can hardly see a burglar grabbing a child off the street. A burglar tends to break into homes to steal but anyhoo.
That's not the point I'm making.
The point is that your god threatens people with eternal damnation if they do not accept him. Light is making the point that this is *similar* to a wife beater's "do as I say or I give you a slap, but I do it because I love you" mantra which is *anything* but "unconditional love".
Stop trying to move the goalposts.
Pandaemonium wrote:
> I however do not think *anyone* deserves a beating.
I take it this is your answer.
Using this logic, what would you do if a burglar or paedophile grabbed one of your children in the street and the only way to get him off your child was to give him a 'beating'?
> I however do not think *anyone* deserves a beating.
I take it this is your answer.
Using this logic, what would you do if a burglar or paedophile grabbed one of your children in the street and the only way to get him off your child was to give him a 'beating'?
Forest Fan wrote:
> So the wife DOESN'T deserve a beating. Do you agree with that
> statement, yes or no?
I've already answered.
> So the wife DOESN'T deserve a beating. Do you agree with that
> statement, yes or no?
I've already answered.
So the wife DOESN'T deserve a beating. Do you agree with that statement, yes or no?
Forest Fan wrote:
> Pandaemonium wrote:
> Forest Fan wrote:
> For a start Light, I am not scared of what God will do to me, not
> that
> I don't fear Him, but that I know He loves me. Do you see? God loves
> and protects me. Something no wife-beater would do.
>
> That's EXACTLY the excuse a wife beater uses, love and protection.
>
> Pandaemonium, does the wife deserve a beating?
Well, with you're appalling attitude toward women, you would probably say yes, and follow through with it "A wife should do what her husband says" remember?
I however do not think *anyone* deserves a beating.
Or threatened with hell if they choose not to believe for that matter.
Unconditional love remember.
> Pandaemonium wrote:
> Forest Fan wrote:
> For a start Light, I am not scared of what God will do to me, not
> that
> I don't fear Him, but that I know He loves me. Do you see? God loves
> and protects me. Something no wife-beater would do.
>
> That's EXACTLY the excuse a wife beater uses, love and protection.
>
> Pandaemonium, does the wife deserve a beating?
Well, with you're appalling attitude toward women, you would probably say yes, and follow through with it "A wife should do what her husband says" remember?
I however do not think *anyone* deserves a beating.
Or threatened with hell if they choose not to believe for that matter.
Unconditional love remember.
Pandaemonium wrote:
> Forest Fan wrote:
> For a start Light, I am not scared of what God will do to me, not
> that
> I don't fear Him, but that I know He loves me. Do you see? God loves
> and protects me. Something no wife-beater would do.
>
> That's EXACTLY the excuse a wife beater uses, love and protection.
Pandaemonium, does the wife deserve a beating?
> Forest Fan wrote:
> For a start Light, I am not scared of what God will do to me, not
> that
> I don't fear Him, but that I know He loves me. Do you see? God loves
> and protects me. Something no wife-beater would do.
>
> That's EXACTLY the excuse a wife beater uses, love and protection.
Pandaemonium, does the wife deserve a beating?
Forest Fan wrote:
> For a start Light, I am not scared of what God will do to me, not that
> I don't fear Him, but that I know He loves me. Do you see? God loves
> and protects me. Something no wife-beater would do.
That's EXACTLY the excuse a wife beater uses, love and protection.
> For a start Light, I am not scared of what God will do to me, not that
> I don't fear Him, but that I know He loves me. Do you see? God loves
> and protects me. Something no wife-beater would do.
That's EXACTLY the excuse a wife beater uses, love and protection.
For a start Light, I am not scared of what God will do to me, not that I don't fear Him, but that I know He loves me. Do you see? God loves and protects me. Something no wife-beater would do.
Forest Fan wrote:
> Light, how is it anything like it?
I've already explained it to you, and if you're too cowardly, stupid, ignorant, blinkered, and fearful to bother yourself to even attempt to understand it, and if all you can do is say "No it isn't" and then say something which proves my point...well, I'll talk to someone who actually seems to have half a brain and who isn't a 14 year old, thanks Gump.
> Light, how is it anything like it?
I've already explained it to you, and if you're too cowardly, stupid, ignorant, blinkered, and fearful to bother yourself to even attempt to understand it, and if all you can do is say "No it isn't" and then say something which proves my point...well, I'll talk to someone who actually seems to have half a brain and who isn't a 14 year old, thanks Gump.
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