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It was just a few years ago, growing up in a Hebrew Christian family, that I went to Church, had faith, prayed - occasionally and read the Bible - again occasionally. Then the boss of my father, invited us all over to the States, for a conference on Jewish teachings in the Bible. It was my first time away and I enjoyed the time, but something better, more amazing happened. There in sunny USA for the first time, in the desert of Arizona something else happened...
As I was really a man now, it was time for me to make a decision about Jesus and this trip, made up my mind, that I wanted Jesus and wanted to avoid Hell. I was sitting in a room, when I asked Jesus into my heart. I suddenly felt the difference, I was relieved, my sins were off my shoulders and on the cross. Jesus was living in me, in my life and in my heart. What a great day! You might think, is it really that easy? Do you really just pray and feel different? The answer is YES. If you confess you are a SINNER, you believe Jesus died for YOUR SINS and He LOVES YOU, you will be saved! That's what I did anyway.
Anyway, thinking that was it for the day, having asked Jesus into my heart - enough for one day, I went to bed. Next morning I woke up early to reflect on the previous day, when a gleem of light, glistened through the bathroom door. I opened it, to get ready for the day, when I went to the sink, to wash. As I reached for the sink (with nothing on my feet), I wobbled unsteadily, before I felt myself falling. It felt like minutes, but in reality, it was seconds, before I fell... head-first straight onto the cold, hard, marble like bathroom floor. I was soon carried away and into safety, but the pain wrang around in my head, for days.
As I went back down to the conference, head still hurting, most of the ateendees met with me and they told me that I had been attacked by Satan, but the Lord had protected me. How true that sounded! I had no long lasting damage to my head and enjoyed the rest of my trip. I met Archangel out there and His name reminds me that the angels looked after me in Arizona. I never really thought much about hurting my head, because it soon healed after much ice and rest, but recently I reminded myself of it. I was doubting I was really saved, when the Lord reminded me I am on the Lord's side and I accepted Him the day I was saved and Satan tried to get me the next day - but he was just too late.
As I was really a man now, it was time for me to make a decision about Jesus and this trip, made up my mind, that I wanted Jesus and wanted to avoid Hell. I was sitting in a room, when I asked Jesus into my heart. I suddenly felt the difference, I was relieved, my sins were off my shoulders and on the cross. Jesus was living in me, in my life and in my heart. What a great day! You might think, is it really that easy? Do you really just pray and feel different? The answer is YES. If you confess you are a SINNER, you believe Jesus died for YOUR SINS and He LOVES YOU, you will be saved! That's what I did anyway.
Anyway, thinking that was it for the day, having asked Jesus into my heart - enough for one day, I went to bed. Next morning I woke up early to reflect on the previous day, when a gleem of light, glistened through the bathroom door. I opened it, to get ready for the day, when I went to the sink, to wash. As I reached for the sink (with nothing on my feet), I wobbled unsteadily, before I felt myself falling. It felt like minutes, but in reality, it was seconds, before I fell... head-first straight onto the cold, hard, marble like bathroom floor. I was soon carried away and into safety, but the pain wrang around in my head, for days.
As I went back down to the conference, head still hurting, most of the ateendees met with me and they told me that I had been attacked by Satan, but the Lord had protected me. How true that sounded! I had no long lasting damage to my head and enjoyed the rest of my trip. I met Archangel out there and His name reminds me that the angels looked after me in Arizona. I never really thought much about hurting my head, because it soon healed after much ice and rest, but recently I reminded myself of it. I was doubting I was really saved, when the Lord reminded me I am on the Lord's side and I accepted Him the day I was saved and Satan tried to get me the next day - but he was just too late.
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Archangel wrote:
> Light wrote:
> Forest never answered this so maybe you will; what exactly is the
> difference between your mindset concerning your relationship with
> God, and the mindset of a battered wife toward an abusive husband?
> Thus far, I can't see any.
>
> He loves me. As a Father loves His children. "For whom the Lord
> loves, he chastens. and spanks every son he receives. If you endure
> spankings, then God deals with you as children; for what son is he
> whom the father doesn't correct? But if you're without chastisement,
> whereof all are partakers, then you're illegitimate, and not true
> sons." Hebrews 12:6-8
We've been on this planet for several thousand years now. Doesn't a good father know when to let go and allow His children to make their own decisions free from His judgement?
> If you will, look up that section. The entire chapter basically deals
> with the Christian walk as a child with His father.
> Do I step out of line at times? Yes.
> Am I corrected for it? Yes.
Y'know, I'm 28 now and when I make mistakes in my life, my Dad generally sighs deeply, offers advice, and lets me get on with life. He doesn't berate me, tell me off, or indicate to me that I'm going to suffer in any way because of that mistake. How come your God is incapable of such a similar and simple thing?
> Is it abuse? No. I still have my free will. I CHOOSE how to live. I
> cannot lose my salvation. That's guaranteed. I go to heaven when I
> die, or am raptured out of here. NOTHING can make me lose my
> salvation. God PROMISED that to me. And He doesn't break His
> promises.
And you only get this because you've accepted Him? Out of curiosity, if you turned your back on God and denied His love, would you still go to heaven?
> Light wrote:
> Forest never answered this so maybe you will; what exactly is the
> difference between your mindset concerning your relationship with
> God, and the mindset of a battered wife toward an abusive husband?
> Thus far, I can't see any.
>
> He loves me. As a Father loves His children. "For whom the Lord
> loves, he chastens. and spanks every son he receives. If you endure
> spankings, then God deals with you as children; for what son is he
> whom the father doesn't correct? But if you're without chastisement,
> whereof all are partakers, then you're illegitimate, and not true
> sons." Hebrews 12:6-8
We've been on this planet for several thousand years now. Doesn't a good father know when to let go and allow His children to make their own decisions free from His judgement?
> If you will, look up that section. The entire chapter basically deals
> with the Christian walk as a child with His father.
> Do I step out of line at times? Yes.
> Am I corrected for it? Yes.
Y'know, I'm 28 now and when I make mistakes in my life, my Dad generally sighs deeply, offers advice, and lets me get on with life. He doesn't berate me, tell me off, or indicate to me that I'm going to suffer in any way because of that mistake. How come your God is incapable of such a similar and simple thing?
> Is it abuse? No. I still have my free will. I CHOOSE how to live. I
> cannot lose my salvation. That's guaranteed. I go to heaven when I
> die, or am raptured out of here. NOTHING can make me lose my
> salvation. God PROMISED that to me. And He doesn't break His
> promises.
And you only get this because you've accepted Him? Out of curiosity, if you turned your back on God and denied His love, would you still go to heaven?
Light wrote:
> Forest never answered this so maybe you will; what exactly is the
> difference between your mindset concerning your relationship with
> God, and the mindset of a battered wife toward an abusive husband?
> Thus far, I can't see any.
He loves me. As a Father loves His children. "For whom the Lord loves, he chastens. and spanks every son he receives. If you endure spankings, then God deals with you as children; for what son is he whom the father doesn't correct? But if you're without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then you're illegitimate, and not true sons." Hebrews 12:6-8
If you will, look up that section. The entire chapter basically deals with the Christian walk as a child with His father.
Do I step out of line at times? Yes.
Am I corrected for it? Yes.
Is it abuse? No. I still have my free will. I CHOOSE how to live. I cannot lose my salvation. That's guaranteed. I go to heaven when I die, or am raptured out of here. NOTHING can make me lose my salvation. God PROMISED that to me. And He doesn't break His promises.
> Forest never answered this so maybe you will; what exactly is the
> difference between your mindset concerning your relationship with
> God, and the mindset of a battered wife toward an abusive husband?
> Thus far, I can't see any.
He loves me. As a Father loves His children. "For whom the Lord loves, he chastens. and spanks every son he receives. If you endure spankings, then God deals with you as children; for what son is he whom the father doesn't correct? But if you're without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then you're illegitimate, and not true sons." Hebrews 12:6-8
If you will, look up that section. The entire chapter basically deals with the Christian walk as a child with His father.
Do I step out of line at times? Yes.
Am I corrected for it? Yes.
Is it abuse? No. I still have my free will. I CHOOSE how to live. I cannot lose my salvation. That's guaranteed. I go to heaven when I die, or am raptured out of here. NOTHING can make me lose my salvation. God PROMISED that to me. And He doesn't break His promises.
maybe he's trying to guide us......... i'm starting to sound like Forest Fan help me!!!LOL
But then we don't have free will, because he is still controlling us to an extent.
Do you see?
Do you see?
to try and make us not do the things we insist on doing ie war, murder rape etc
Deathskitten wrote:
> maybe He wanted them to be chucked out so that we were no longer under
> His control and could finally make our own choices....
Then why threaten them with Hell?
> maybe He wanted them to be chucked out so that we were no longer under
> His control and could finally make our own choices....
Then why threaten them with Hell?
FinalFantasyFanatic wrote:
> Memo - everyone (including me) has already pointed the exact same
> thing out.
> You can't put conditions on free will, or it is no longer free will.
I know. It was obviously going to come up again, so I thought I might as well do it. We are going round in circles after all.
> Memo - everyone (including me) has already pointed the exact same
> thing out.
> You can't put conditions on free will, or it is no longer free will.
I know. It was obviously going to come up again, so I thought I might as well do it. We are going round in circles after all.
There's no barcode on it so it must be free.
maybe He wanted them to be chucked out so that we were no longer under His control and could finally make our own choices....
No god missed out a letter 'y' and was actually just a big fan of a certain whale film, he thought everyone should own that film.
Hence everyone should have Free Will(y)
Hence everyone should have Free Will(y)
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