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It was just a few years ago, growing up in a Hebrew Christian family, that I went to Church, had faith, prayed - occasionally and read the Bible - again occasionally. Then the boss of my father, invited us all over to the States, for a conference on Jewish teachings in the Bible. It was my first time away and I enjoyed the time, but something better, more amazing happened. There in sunny USA for the first time, in the desert of Arizona something else happened...
As I was really a man now, it was time for me to make a decision about Jesus and this trip, made up my mind, that I wanted Jesus and wanted to avoid Hell. I was sitting in a room, when I asked Jesus into my heart. I suddenly felt the difference, I was relieved, my sins were off my shoulders and on the cross. Jesus was living in me, in my life and in my heart. What a great day! You might think, is it really that easy? Do you really just pray and feel different? The answer is YES. If you confess you are a SINNER, you believe Jesus died for YOUR SINS and He LOVES YOU, you will be saved! That's what I did anyway.
Anyway, thinking that was it for the day, having asked Jesus into my heart - enough for one day, I went to bed. Next morning I woke up early to reflect on the previous day, when a gleem of light, glistened through the bathroom door. I opened it, to get ready for the day, when I went to the sink, to wash. As I reached for the sink (with nothing on my feet), I wobbled unsteadily, before I felt myself falling. It felt like minutes, but in reality, it was seconds, before I fell... head-first straight onto the cold, hard, marble like bathroom floor. I was soon carried away and into safety, but the pain wrang around in my head, for days.
As I went back down to the conference, head still hurting, most of the ateendees met with me and they told me that I had been attacked by Satan, but the Lord had protected me. How true that sounded! I had no long lasting damage to my head and enjoyed the rest of my trip. I met Archangel out there and His name reminds me that the angels looked after me in Arizona. I never really thought much about hurting my head, because it soon healed after much ice and rest, but recently I reminded myself of it. I was doubting I was really saved, when the Lord reminded me I am on the Lord's side and I accepted Him the day I was saved and Satan tried to get me the next day - but he was just too late.
As I was really a man now, it was time for me to make a decision about Jesus and this trip, made up my mind, that I wanted Jesus and wanted to avoid Hell. I was sitting in a room, when I asked Jesus into my heart. I suddenly felt the difference, I was relieved, my sins were off my shoulders and on the cross. Jesus was living in me, in my life and in my heart. What a great day! You might think, is it really that easy? Do you really just pray and feel different? The answer is YES. If you confess you are a SINNER, you believe Jesus died for YOUR SINS and He LOVES YOU, you will be saved! That's what I did anyway.
Anyway, thinking that was it for the day, having asked Jesus into my heart - enough for one day, I went to bed. Next morning I woke up early to reflect on the previous day, when a gleem of light, glistened through the bathroom door. I opened it, to get ready for the day, when I went to the sink, to wash. As I reached for the sink (with nothing on my feet), I wobbled unsteadily, before I felt myself falling. It felt like minutes, but in reality, it was seconds, before I fell... head-first straight onto the cold, hard, marble like bathroom floor. I was soon carried away and into safety, but the pain wrang around in my head, for days.
As I went back down to the conference, head still hurting, most of the ateendees met with me and they told me that I had been attacked by Satan, but the Lord had protected me. How true that sounded! I had no long lasting damage to my head and enjoyed the rest of my trip. I met Archangel out there and His name reminds me that the angels looked after me in Arizona. I never really thought much about hurting my head, because it soon healed after much ice and rest, but recently I reminded myself of it. I was doubting I was really saved, when the Lord reminded me I am on the Lord's side and I accepted Him the day I was saved and Satan tried to get me the next day - but he was just too late.
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beanz wrote:
> Forest Fan wrote:
> Evolution is an ancient theory, that Charles Darwin simply
> re-opened.
>
> who originally came up with the theory of evolution then? this isn't
> an argument...i'm just interested
I don't know, but I believe Paul in the Bible witnessed to some evolutionists.
> Forest Fan wrote:
> Evolution is an ancient theory, that Charles Darwin simply
> re-opened.
>
> who originally came up with the theory of evolution then? this isn't
> an argument...i'm just interested
I don't know, but I believe Paul in the Bible witnessed to some evolutionists.
The Bible does state a difference between this Earth and the other planets. The Bible doesn't say anyway that the Earth is in the centre of the Universe, though the Earth is central to the Lord.
Forest Fan wrote:
> Evolution is an ancient theory, that Charles Darwin simply re-opened.
who originally came up with the theory of evolution then? this isn't an argument...i'm just interested
> Evolution is an ancient theory, that Charles Darwin simply re-opened.
who originally came up with the theory of evolution then? this isn't an argument...i'm just interested
there have been theories in the past which have gone against what the church believe but have turned out to be far more consistent than what religious fanatics have believed.
good example being galileo's view of space and how Earth wasn't at the center (as many religious people believed). They even threatened to kill him if he didn't take back what he said. Look at how everything's turned out now huh?
good example being galileo's view of space and how Earth wasn't at the center (as many religious people believed). They even threatened to kill him if he didn't take back what he said. Look at how everything's turned out now huh?
Evolution is an ancient theory, that Charles Darwin simply re-opened.
If Creation was taught in school as a viable alternative to evolution, it'd be like going back 100s of years of human intellectual development.
We're not, as a race in general, stupid enough to believe in that anymore, surely. Obviously you've got religions who cling onto an age before science, but the majority of the world can get over it.
We're not, as a race in general, stupid enough to believe in that anymore, surely. Obviously you've got religions who cling onto an age before science, but the majority of the world can get over it.
This is just an observation as opposed to wanting to start an argument.
I personally am an atheist/agnostic and from everything that has been written throughout this thread, I'm still not any closer to believing.
Part of the reason is because I think I am more of a scientist and so FF's teleological explanation is not particularly convincing because it doesn't make for good science. The introduction of an extra entity into explanations just seems like a cop out method of explaining everything.
Science in my opinion isn't necessarily fact either...it is merely a whole set of hypothoses based on observations that have been made. In my opinion it is a far more logical approach.
It doesn't surprise me that FF has creationist beliefs. Creationism being a belief that the origin of the universe and everything in it is due to an event of creation brought about by the deliberate act of a creator god. This is because the modern creationist movement originates from the United States.
"In the United States, creationism remains popular among non-scientists. According to several evolution polls over the last decade, 45-50% of Americans believe that "God created man pretty much in his present form at one time within the last 10,000 years." About 10% believe that the evolution of species occurred without any divine intervention. These numbers are higher among the upper class, Internet users and among college graduates, higher still among scientists (about 55% believe that evolution occurred without God over millions of years according to a 1997 Gallup poll [1]), and higher still among biologists and geologists. This data has remained relatively stable over time."
However outside of America, the fundamentalist Christian community has far less influence and prominence.
"According to a PBS documentary on evolution, Australian creationists claimed that "five percent of the Australian population now believe that Earth is thousands, rather than billions, of years old." The documentary further states that "Australia is a particular stronghold of the creationist movement". Taking these claims at face value, "young-earth" creationism is very much a minority position in Western countries other than the USA. In Europe, creationism is a less well defined phenomenon, and regular polls are not available; however, the option of teaching creationism in school has not yet been seriously considered in any Western European country."
I think religion is a very psychological thing too...which is why i'm very dubious about your original post FF about falling in the bathroom and thinking that it was Satan who had attacked you. Each to their own though...i'm happy the way i am.
I personally am an atheist/agnostic and from everything that has been written throughout this thread, I'm still not any closer to believing.
Part of the reason is because I think I am more of a scientist and so FF's teleological explanation is not particularly convincing because it doesn't make for good science. The introduction of an extra entity into explanations just seems like a cop out method of explaining everything.
Science in my opinion isn't necessarily fact either...it is merely a whole set of hypothoses based on observations that have been made. In my opinion it is a far more logical approach.
It doesn't surprise me that FF has creationist beliefs. Creationism being a belief that the origin of the universe and everything in it is due to an event of creation brought about by the deliberate act of a creator god. This is because the modern creationist movement originates from the United States.
"In the United States, creationism remains popular among non-scientists. According to several evolution polls over the last decade, 45-50% of Americans believe that "God created man pretty much in his present form at one time within the last 10,000 years." About 10% believe that the evolution of species occurred without any divine intervention. These numbers are higher among the upper class, Internet users and among college graduates, higher still among scientists (about 55% believe that evolution occurred without God over millions of years according to a 1997 Gallup poll [1]), and higher still among biologists and geologists. This data has remained relatively stable over time."
However outside of America, the fundamentalist Christian community has far less influence and prominence.
"According to a PBS documentary on evolution, Australian creationists claimed that "five percent of the Australian population now believe that Earth is thousands, rather than billions, of years old." The documentary further states that "Australia is a particular stronghold of the creationist movement". Taking these claims at face value, "young-earth" creationism is very much a minority position in Western countries other than the USA. In Europe, creationism is a less well defined phenomenon, and regular polls are not available; however, the option of teaching creationism in school has not yet been seriously considered in any Western European country."
I think religion is a very psychological thing too...which is why i'm very dubious about your original post FF about falling in the bathroom and thinking that it was Satan who had attacked you. Each to their own though...i'm happy the way i am.
Stryke wrote:
> There just wasn't enough time for carnivores to evolve canines on a
> Creation timescale to now.
When does Creation ever state teeth "evolved". In fact Creation states evolution has never taken place.
> There just wasn't enough time for carnivores to evolve canines on a
> Creation timescale to now.
When does Creation ever state teeth "evolved". In fact Creation states evolution has never taken place.
There just wasn't enough time for carnivores to evolve canines on a Creation timescale to now.
Listen, you mutoids. Nature works in trophic levels. Even a GCSE student knows this. Competition, not to mention overload on autotroph production, would mean that carnivores had to exist.
Except the sharks, of course. They ate the seaweed. And that's why Welsh people should never swim after having lavarbread. They'd gun for me & Edgy straight away. And pick FF & AA up on their fins and carry them down to Atlantis where God is a King and he has a hot GodWife.
Listen, you mutoids. Nature works in trophic levels. Even a GCSE student knows this. Competition, not to mention overload on autotroph production, would mean that carnivores had to exist.
Except the sharks, of course. They ate the seaweed. And that's why Welsh people should never swim after having lavarbread. They'd gun for me & Edgy straight away. And pick FF & AA up on their fins and carry them down to Atlantis where God is a King and he has a hot GodWife.
Strafio wrote:
> Alright Archangel...
>
> Smartarse question for you. :-)
>
>
>
> If all animals originated as herbivores, when did they get their
> carnivore teeth set?
> Did their herbivore teeth drop out and new ones grow the moment they
> "saw sin" or did they evolve, albiet from Herbivore (at
> creation) to Carnivore (modern day) rather than sea slime from
> (billions of years ago) to modern day carnivore?
>
> Does this mean that you'd accept evolution (calling it adaption)
> within limits?
My landlord's dog eats lettuce, tomatoes, onions, etc. He has canine teeth, but is able to eat these things, just as we as omnivores eat vegetables and meat. God created animals with the teeth He intended them to always have. There was no change in the structure. Noah was an herbivore when he entered the ark, but God said when he stepped off, "Have some meat!" His tooth structure, I believe, was no different from ours.
Sorry, I can't accept evolution, even as adaptation. I know it sounds narrow-minded, but it's my beliefs.
> Alright Archangel...
>
> Smartarse question for you. :-)
>
>
>
> If all animals originated as herbivores, when did they get their
> carnivore teeth set?
> Did their herbivore teeth drop out and new ones grow the moment they
> "saw sin" or did they evolve, albiet from Herbivore (at
> creation) to Carnivore (modern day) rather than sea slime from
> (billions of years ago) to modern day carnivore?
>
> Does this mean that you'd accept evolution (calling it adaption)
> within limits?
My landlord's dog eats lettuce, tomatoes, onions, etc. He has canine teeth, but is able to eat these things, just as we as omnivores eat vegetables and meat. God created animals with the teeth He intended them to always have. There was no change in the structure. Noah was an herbivore when he entered the ark, but God said when he stepped off, "Have some meat!" His tooth structure, I believe, was no different from ours.
Sorry, I can't accept evolution, even as adaptation. I know it sounds narrow-minded, but it's my beliefs.
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