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Think of the great players we've seen in The Premiership since it began.
The flair. The skill. The quality.
I say "Premiership's greatest player", and you think of... who?
Thierry Henry with his pace? Dennis Bergkamp with his vision and skill? Kanu with his elastic legs?
Ruud van Nistelrooy with his poached goals? Ryan Giggs with his flying wing play? David Beckham with his free kicks? Eric Cantona with his... erm... poetry?
Little Michael Owen (before his knee injury, when he was good)?
The 'much-loved' Gianfranco Zola?
The fiery Di Canio?
The list goes on.
Well whoever you thought of, you are invariably wrong. (Unless you saw the same programme...)
According to Sky One's "The Premiership's Greatest..." last night, apparently "you, the fans" voted for...
Alan Shearer!
Now I know that at some point ALASTAIR is (possibly) going to post in this thread, quite probably with one of his infamous Tourette's style, expletive-riddled rants aimed squarely at me... and that's a risk I'm willing to take.
But... COME ON!!!
Where did they hold this 'vote'? A pub in Newcastle?
I don't know about the rest of you, but when I think of "great" players, I think in terms of Pele, Cruyff, Platini, van Basten... players who are, or will be, remembered the world over long after they've given up The Beautiful Game.
But outside of Newcastle and (maybe) the North of England, who is going to be looking back in 30 years time and thinking to themselves, "What about that Alan Shearer? He really set the football world alight."
This isn't a "biased Gooner" post. The team I support is irrelevant. It's just my considered opinion that there have been any number of players in the Premiership who have been, are and will be more deserving of the title.
True, it is only a Sky TV programme, and the result is about as relevant in the real world as the current Manchester United defence... but it was worth a comment, all the same.
So come on, rant away!
The flair. The skill. The quality.
I say "Premiership's greatest player", and you think of... who?
Thierry Henry with his pace? Dennis Bergkamp with his vision and skill? Kanu with his elastic legs?
Ruud van Nistelrooy with his poached goals? Ryan Giggs with his flying wing play? David Beckham with his free kicks? Eric Cantona with his... erm... poetry?
Little Michael Owen (before his knee injury, when he was good)?
The 'much-loved' Gianfranco Zola?
The fiery Di Canio?
The list goes on.
Well whoever you thought of, you are invariably wrong. (Unless you saw the same programme...)
According to Sky One's "The Premiership's Greatest..." last night, apparently "you, the fans" voted for...
Alan Shearer!
Now I know that at some point ALASTAIR is (possibly) going to post in this thread, quite probably with one of his infamous Tourette's style, expletive-riddled rants aimed squarely at me... and that's a risk I'm willing to take.
But... COME ON!!!
Where did they hold this 'vote'? A pub in Newcastle?
I don't know about the rest of you, but when I think of "great" players, I think in terms of Pele, Cruyff, Platini, van Basten... players who are, or will be, remembered the world over long after they've given up The Beautiful Game.
But outside of Newcastle and (maybe) the North of England, who is going to be looking back in 30 years time and thinking to themselves, "What about that Alan Shearer? He really set the football world alight."
This isn't a "biased Gooner" post. The team I support is irrelevant. It's just my considered opinion that there have been any number of players in the Premiership who have been, are and will be more deserving of the title.
True, it is only a Sky TV programme, and the result is about as relevant in the real world as the current Manchester United defence... but it was worth a comment, all the same.
So come on, rant away!
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Oh and if you read what I put about Beckham at the end you will know I rate him very highly and he has carried England over the last couple of years, Shearer on the other hand has made up the greatest English partnership in the last 50 years along with Sherringham and on international level Shearer has proved himself far more than Beckham and if it wasn't for the fact he pi$$ed on Alex Ferguson's head when he went to Newcastle we would have many more honours. I am a firm believer in judging players on what they have won, in Shearer's case though he has proved himself many times over without needing medals to do it for him.
Hell, bloody Wes Brown has a friggin Champions League medal.
Hell, bloody Wes Brown has a friggin Champions League medal.
ÂLŠ†ÂÎR wrote:
> he is quite simply one of the best player the permiership has seen
I've highlighted a bit there. Seems a bit stupid, don't you?
One of. Not the best. But one of.
You're basically telling us what Wookiee's already said over and over.
> he is quite simply one of the best player the permiership has seen
I've highlighted a bit there. Seems a bit stupid, don't you?
One of. Not the best. But one of.
You're basically telling us what Wookiee's already said over and over.
Oh, and one final thing.
Scoring goals, consistantly or not, does not constitute greatness.
Scoring goals, consistantly or not, does not constitute greatness.
I said for me he was the best if you actually read it and I also said that the work he does every game is something you don't see on the back page of the paper or on the small highlights on the Premiership. As a goal scorer he is the best the Premiership has seen but also as a player he is for me the best the league has seen.
You all seem to have drastically short memories, Shearer once had the desire and youth that Henry has now, come back in 7 years and we will see how Henry is going on. The Premiership is the best league in the world, no other league offers the depth and excitement that the Premiership offers and Shearer HAS proved himself in this league as well as on an Internation level.
You all seem to have drastically short memories, Shearer once had the desire and youth that Henry has now, come back in 7 years and we will see how Henry is going on. The Premiership is the best league in the world, no other league offers the depth and excitement that the Premiership offers and Shearer HAS proved himself in this league as well as on an Internation level.
Don or†ega wrote:
> ÂLŠ†ÂÎR wrote:
> Pele's
> best 120 players of all time (although that was ruined by the
> addition of Diouf)
>
> not to mention Juan Sebastian Veron, Michael Owen, Javier Saviola,
> David Trezeguet, Christian Vieri....etc etc
>
> The list was a complete joke.
Mia Hamm was there too.
> ÂLŠ†ÂÎR wrote:
> Pele's
> best 120 players of all time (although that was ruined by the
> addition of Diouf)
>
> not to mention Juan Sebastian Veron, Michael Owen, Javier Saviola,
> David Trezeguet, Christian Vieri....etc etc
>
> The list was a complete joke.
Mia Hamm was there too.
The question is...
Who is the best player to grace the Premiership?
...not...
Who is the best Premiership goalscorer of all time?
The number of goals scored is irrelevant, as is reference to any international appearances. This is about the Premiership, after all.
The best player would be the best all-round package.
Of course no-one is going to touch Shearer on goals scored - no-one has been around for that length of time. But a longer service record does not equate to a "greater" player.
"Ask again when Henry's been around as long as Shearer" is an irrelevant comment. By that logic, a 1986 Ford Escort is a better car than an Aston Martin Vanquish simply because it's done more miles.
So forget goals. Take away the goals they've scored, and compare Henry (just for the sake of example - you could pick several players from several clubs) to Shearer on what's left: Movement. Skill. Assists.
What a player can do off the ball is just as important as what they can do on it. And as such, I think several names will appear above Shearer in most people's lists.
Who is the best player to grace the Premiership?
...not...
Who is the best Premiership goalscorer of all time?
The number of goals scored is irrelevant, as is reference to any international appearances. This is about the Premiership, after all.
The best player would be the best all-round package.
Of course no-one is going to touch Shearer on goals scored - no-one has been around for that length of time. But a longer service record does not equate to a "greater" player.
"Ask again when Henry's been around as long as Shearer" is an irrelevant comment. By that logic, a 1986 Ford Escort is a better car than an Aston Martin Vanquish simply because it's done more miles.
So forget goals. Take away the goals they've scored, and compare Henry (just for the sake of example - you could pick several players from several clubs) to Shearer on what's left: Movement. Skill. Assists.
What a player can do off the ball is just as important as what they can do on it. And as such, I think several names will appear above Shearer in most people's lists.
I am shocked at how little you know. A striker is there to score and Shearer has proved himself to be the best striker the Premiership has seen, not only that but his hold up play is second to none. I watch him every bloody week and have done since he went to Blackburn and the highlights you get on the Premiership last about 5 minutes if you are lucky, most it shows is just the goals.
Henry flopped in Italy, he was a joke, Wenger has turned him into the CURRENT most talanted player in the world. All time? Lets remove the penis from your mouth and look at the big picture. Shearer has proved it, not just 1 or 2 seasons but every season he has played in the Premiership.
Henry flopped in Italy, he was a joke, Wenger has turned him into the CURRENT most talanted player in the world. All time? Lets remove the penis from your mouth and look at the big picture. Shearer has proved it, not just 1 or 2 seasons but every season he has played in the Premiership.
I'd say that Henry is better than Shearer as a player nowadays, but Shearer in his time was untouchable, as his goals tally suggests. Now you say the number of goals scored is irrelevant, but I don't see how this can be: scoring goals is what strikers do, and goals, of course, are the key feature of the game of football. So naturally, scorers have more of a chance of earning awards.
And scoring-wise, Alan Shearer far surpasses Thierry Henry. Henry may well indeed be the better player (and this is an opinion that I strongly agree with, as I think he's the best on the planet today), but Shearer deserves this title just because of his contribution to the game, both on the national scene, AND, most importantly, when this award is regarded anyway, in the Premiership.
And scoring-wise, Alan Shearer far surpasses Thierry Henry. Henry may well indeed be the better player (and this is an opinion that I strongly agree with, as I think he's the best on the planet today), but Shearer deserves this title just because of his contribution to the game, both on the national scene, AND, most importantly, when this award is regarded anyway, in the Premiership.
ÂLÂ??ÂÎR wrote:
> Henry flopped in Italy, he was a joke
Yes, and I'm sure that when Alan Shearer was 9 he was crap too. Henry was a decent winger that did badly at Juventus, but then Emmanuel Petit was an under achieving defender and Viera and Anelka were French nobodies. Saying he was a joke doesn't make him any less of a great player now, not just for the past couple of months but probably for the rest of his career.
> Henry flopped in Italy, he was a joke
Yes, and I'm sure that when Alan Shearer was 9 he was crap too. Henry was a decent winger that did badly at Juventus, but then Emmanuel Petit was an under achieving defender and Viera and Anelka were French nobodies. Saying he was a joke doesn't make him any less of a great player now, not just for the past couple of months but probably for the rest of his career.
I wouldn't exactly even go as far as saying Henry was bad in Italy. At Juventus, he was hardly even given the time to take a couple of breaths before he was whisked off again. They signed him in the Summer, played him about 10 times, on the wing, which was not his natural position, and then bundled him off to Arsenal, thinking that it wasn't worth the hassle.
Now I see this as pretty stupid on Juventus' behalf. He didn't get the time to blend into the team, the right position to show what he was capable of, and the morale boost which he would have gotten had he stayed on for just a little bit longer. Arsenal, however, have done exceptionally well and turned Henry into something of a goal machine. He's still got massive amounts of talent in other areas of play, though, which is why he's such a special player overall.
Therefore, I wouldn't call him a flop in Italy.
Now I see this as pretty stupid on Juventus' behalf. He didn't get the time to blend into the team, the right position to show what he was capable of, and the morale boost which he would have gotten had he stayed on for just a little bit longer. Arsenal, however, have done exceptionally well and turned Henry into something of a goal machine. He's still got massive amounts of talent in other areas of play, though, which is why he's such a special player overall.
Therefore, I wouldn't call him a flop in Italy.
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