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Which console do you think is the best?I'd say PS2!
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Dakarus Joe wrote:
> What do you think the movie is for? Geese you anger me so much with
> your stupidity.
The movie is fifferent, movies are more likely to be succesful, and it doesn't have to be a sequal, it could be a prequal (like the resident evil movie).
> What do you think the movie is for? Geese you anger me so much with
> your stupidity.
The movie is fifferent, movies are more likely to be succesful, and it doesn't have to be a sequal, it could be a prequal (like the resident evil movie).
What do you think the movie is for? Geese you anger me so much with your stupidity.
Ohh and I want to ask about something, I know what shenmue 2 is out on Xbox, but what about Shenmue 1, is it out on Xbox too ?
Dakarus Joe wrote:
> Hahahahaaa Cusack you make me laugh where is Shenmue now you ask?
> Microsoft took shenmue and there was Shenmue2 with Shenmue The Movie
> thats where shenmue is mate.
I am asking about Shenmue 3, where is it now ? DOESN'T EXIST. Every year, several Final Fantasy titles come out, and at least one of them is a main title in the series, and there is always a metal gear game under development. And by the way, I've just checked it out, and I've found out that Final Fantasy is the most selling video game in Japan up until now.
> Hahahahaaa Cusack you make me laugh where is Shenmue now you ask?
> Microsoft took shenmue and there was Shenmue2 with Shenmue The Movie
> thats where shenmue is mate.
I am asking about Shenmue 3, where is it now ? DOESN'T EXIST. Every year, several Final Fantasy titles come out, and at least one of them is a main title in the series, and there is always a metal gear game under development. And by the way, I've just checked it out, and I've found out that Final Fantasy is the most selling video game in Japan up until now.
Very true, famitsu liked it, but the Japanese like this sort of thing, just wasn't to my taste :)
As for slagging off the PS2, I don't see why it could be hated with a vengence, it's a challenge, that's all.
Oh, and as for parallel processing not working, that's not very accurate, look ta your PC, does it have a GPU which supports programmable pixel and verte shaders?? I would be right in pointing out that current top level PCs, and to some deree lower level PCs, including the Xbox itself carry out parallel processing.
The problems with the PS2 lie in maximising bandwidth and data flow to prevent pipeline stalls due to a lower level of memory, not to do with very much else. It's just easier to handle these things on a PC because most of these sorts of propblems are handled by an API like OpenGL or DirectX.
As for slagging off the PS2, I don't see why it could be hated with a vengence, it's a challenge, that's all.
Oh, and as for parallel processing not working, that's not very accurate, look ta your PC, does it have a GPU which supports programmable pixel and verte shaders?? I would be right in pointing out that current top level PCs, and to some deree lower level PCs, including the Xbox itself carry out parallel processing.
The problems with the PS2 lie in maximising bandwidth and data flow to prevent pipeline stalls due to a lower level of memory, not to do with very much else. It's just easier to handle these things on a PC because most of these sorts of propblems are handled by an API like OpenGL or DirectX.
Bonus, I'm 27. I remember all the old consoles fine. It is the games that make a console great though, because on the basis of hardware alone then the Xbox should be the greatest and nobody ever dispute that.
As for the PS2 being innovative in hard ware terms, yes it is. However it is also rather badly designed. Parallel processing doesn't work well, you end up losing performance due to various overheads.
OK, so I haven't programmed the PS2. However a couple of mates of mine from uni have, and they hate it with a vengeance. If there were only 15 million PS2s sold, then support for it would be dropped tomorrow by many development companies, like some have with the Gamecube. The only reason they don't is that it is still the biggest market for games.
As for Shenmue, it is one of only 2 games I think that Famitsu, a Japanese gaming magazine considered by many to be the definitive word on video games, gave 40 out of 40 to.
As for the PS2 being innovative in hard ware terms, yes it is. However it is also rather badly designed. Parallel processing doesn't work well, you end up losing performance due to various overheads.
OK, so I haven't programmed the PS2. However a couple of mates of mine from uni have, and they hate it with a vengeance. If there were only 15 million PS2s sold, then support for it would be dropped tomorrow by many development companies, like some have with the Gamecube. The only reason they don't is that it is still the biggest market for games.
As for Shenmue, it is one of only 2 games I think that Famitsu, a Japanese gaming magazine considered by many to be the definitive word on video games, gave 40 out of 40 to.
Hahahahaaa Cusack you make me laugh where is Shenmue now you ask?
Microsoft took shenmue and there was Shenmue2 with Shenmue The Movie thats where shenmue is mate.
Microsoft took shenmue and there was Shenmue2 with Shenmue The Movie thats where shenmue is mate.
I don't really see what arguing about the games has to do with making a console good or not, individual games which are good could be written to run on any games console, so I see that argument as a little redundant.
Exclusive games are made by the company who makes the console, or that company pays for exclusive rights, but that doesn't make the console any better, just good business by the manufacturer, or not as the now defunct sega hardware patrol will tell you :D
Anyway, if we want to discuss the merits of individual games, I didn't like Shenmue, it sucked in my opinion, and Final Fantasy VII kicked it's backside well and truely, Final Fantasy VIII sucked too though, so I'm not just trying to argue the point of the Final Fantasy series.
Anyway, if you are looking for classic vintage gaming, you need to go back further than you guys are, the mid ninties aren't exactly retro yet :)
Exclusive games are made by the company who makes the console, or that company pays for exclusive rights, but that doesn't make the console any better, just good business by the manufacturer, or not as the now defunct sega hardware patrol will tell you :D
Anyway, if we want to discuss the merits of individual games, I didn't like Shenmue, it sucked in my opinion, and Final Fantasy VII kicked it's backside well and truely, Final Fantasy VIII sucked too though, so I'm not just trying to argue the point of the Final Fantasy series.
Anyway, if you are looking for classic vintage gaming, you need to go back further than you guys are, the mid ninties aren't exactly retro yet :)
Dakarus Joe wrote:
> Thank you but I have one word for you.
>
> Shenmue.
No body CARES, Shenmue is the best only in your opinion, I have never ever seen a video games site recommending Shenmue as the best game ever, if Shenmue was really that good, then where is it now ? can you tell me ? Sega still designs games, where is Shenmue 3 ? Hell, I've never seen a game trying to rip off from Shenmue, checkout the Gamespot review, they gave it 7.8, they are saying that it's far from perfect, I've never say anything like that about any of the Final Fantasy games, they lowest score given to an original final fantasy game was 8, for FF11, and even FF9 which was the least favourite by everyone was given 8.5, and that's not everything, checkout their list of best games ever, I wonder, where is Shenmue ?
> Thank you but I have one word for you.
>
> Shenmue.
No body CARES, Shenmue is the best only in your opinion, I have never ever seen a video games site recommending Shenmue as the best game ever, if Shenmue was really that good, then where is it now ? can you tell me ? Sega still designs games, where is Shenmue 3 ? Hell, I've never seen a game trying to rip off from Shenmue, checkout the Gamespot review, they gave it 7.8, they are saying that it's far from perfect, I've never say anything like that about any of the Final Fantasy games, they lowest score given to an original final fantasy game was 8, for FF11, and even FF9 which was the least favourite by everyone was given 8.5, and that's not everything, checkout their list of best games ever, I wonder, where is Shenmue ?
Hmmm, the greatest consoe of all time??
I've read through a few posts arguing for one or the other, but they generally all refer to the game sthe enjoyed playing, very few of which were single platform exclusives forever.
We could argue for the SNES and the Megadirve, but the classics for both consoles are being redone on the GBA, rendering those consoles to a piece of gaming history, but never to be classed as the greatest console ever to be made.
I saw a gameaday win for someone advocating the dreamcast, ha, whoever judges the gameaday contest must have been having a bad day, or maybe the lack of knowledge on the part of the users of this fourm let them down, but I distinctly remember the Dreamcast being no more than an average console. It poorly floundered under the weight of expectation from a platform, which could never live up to the expectations set on it by Sega themselves. Sega, wrongly, told customers that the possibility of playing 6 billion other people was a realistic opportunity, but with a ping of 500 to japan ona BT landline with a max theoretical transfer of 56kb/sec, they were in dreamland.
Any console which can be emulated by a PC automatically falls behind the PC in terms of all time greatness. What we must remember is that all a games console does is either renders 2D or 3D graphics. So, the PC comes close to be a great contender for this post, but then this falls to it's own open ended greatness, there is no definition of a PC. This is exaclty why it isn't a console in the first place, but any game sconsole which currently isn't on sale can be emulated by a PC, so it had to be mentioned simply to eliminate the past memories of people who treat past games consoles as some sort of divine light into the past greatness of technology, by todays standards, the past consoles were, put lightly, not very good.
So, from the PC we can jump straight into the Xbox, because that's all an Xbox is, a defined standard PC with a limited windows kernel running DirectX. In terms of games making, it is phenomonal, and easily the most powerful games console on the market today, but, it's just an underpowered PC, and as great as Xbox Live is, it comes in 3rd as the greatest console ever.
Second goes to the Gamecube in my humble opinion. It doesn't have many good games, has less power than the Xbox, but is simply an excellent multiplayer games console, special mention goes to the N64 for being an obvious foundation for the Gamecube, but the Gamecube has taken everything good about the N64 and made it better, and if we are honest the only thing good about the N64 was 4 people on the screen at once, Zelda (which I have on the Gamecube, so doesn't count as exclusive to the N64, sorry) and Goldeneye (which Timesplitters 2 does well to nullify as a decent game, simply because these years past the release of goldeneye hacen't seen the N64s blurry slow graphics age very well).
So, I move on to the numero uno console, and it goes to, you might have guessed by now, the Playstation 2. Special mention goes to the Playststion here, becasue it is an intergral part of the PS2, as the PS2 can actually play PSX games by incorporating the PSX chipset.
The PS2 wins becasue it is a truely innovative hardware design. It isn't a PowerPC or x86 derivative (Gamecube and Xbox respectively), and it really was designed to be a true gaming maching. Anyone with any knowledge of the architecture of the PS2 will know just how difficult it is to make games for, but no one will tell you that the challenge and the learning experience isn't worth it. As a games console the PS2 is truely ground breaking and revolutionary. It isn't as openly powerful as the Gamecube or the Xbox, but ask anyone who has played Devil May Cry if they have seen as graphically impressive game on any other console, and you will be hard pushed to find a yes answer.
So, this award goes to the PS2, as a hardware platform, independent of the games available for the system. No one will ever own every game available for any console, so voting based on games collections is all fine and well, but the games which are exclusive to the PS2 show that it is a hardware system to be reckoned with. Cross platform games will always be worse on the PS2 than other consoles due to the unique architecture of the system, but anything written specifically for the PS2 hardware will blow the socks of anyone who knows how 3D graphics systems work, more than a game on the Gamecube or Xbox ever could.
I've read through a few posts arguing for one or the other, but they generally all refer to the game sthe enjoyed playing, very few of which were single platform exclusives forever.
We could argue for the SNES and the Megadirve, but the classics for both consoles are being redone on the GBA, rendering those consoles to a piece of gaming history, but never to be classed as the greatest console ever to be made.
I saw a gameaday win for someone advocating the dreamcast, ha, whoever judges the gameaday contest must have been having a bad day, or maybe the lack of knowledge on the part of the users of this fourm let them down, but I distinctly remember the Dreamcast being no more than an average console. It poorly floundered under the weight of expectation from a platform, which could never live up to the expectations set on it by Sega themselves. Sega, wrongly, told customers that the possibility of playing 6 billion other people was a realistic opportunity, but with a ping of 500 to japan ona BT landline with a max theoretical transfer of 56kb/sec, they were in dreamland.
Any console which can be emulated by a PC automatically falls behind the PC in terms of all time greatness. What we must remember is that all a games console does is either renders 2D or 3D graphics. So, the PC comes close to be a great contender for this post, but then this falls to it's own open ended greatness, there is no definition of a PC. This is exaclty why it isn't a console in the first place, but any game sconsole which currently isn't on sale can be emulated by a PC, so it had to be mentioned simply to eliminate the past memories of people who treat past games consoles as some sort of divine light into the past greatness of technology, by todays standards, the past consoles were, put lightly, not very good.
So, from the PC we can jump straight into the Xbox, because that's all an Xbox is, a defined standard PC with a limited windows kernel running DirectX. In terms of games making, it is phenomonal, and easily the most powerful games console on the market today, but, it's just an underpowered PC, and as great as Xbox Live is, it comes in 3rd as the greatest console ever.
Second goes to the Gamecube in my humble opinion. It doesn't have many good games, has less power than the Xbox, but is simply an excellent multiplayer games console, special mention goes to the N64 for being an obvious foundation for the Gamecube, but the Gamecube has taken everything good about the N64 and made it better, and if we are honest the only thing good about the N64 was 4 people on the screen at once, Zelda (which I have on the Gamecube, so doesn't count as exclusive to the N64, sorry) and Goldeneye (which Timesplitters 2 does well to nullify as a decent game, simply because these years past the release of goldeneye hacen't seen the N64s blurry slow graphics age very well).
So, I move on to the numero uno console, and it goes to, you might have guessed by now, the Playstation 2. Special mention goes to the Playststion here, becasue it is an intergral part of the PS2, as the PS2 can actually play PSX games by incorporating the PSX chipset.
The PS2 wins becasue it is a truely innovative hardware design. It isn't a PowerPC or x86 derivative (Gamecube and Xbox respectively), and it really was designed to be a true gaming maching. Anyone with any knowledge of the architecture of the PS2 will know just how difficult it is to make games for, but no one will tell you that the challenge and the learning experience isn't worth it. As a games console the PS2 is truely ground breaking and revolutionary. It isn't as openly powerful as the Gamecube or the Xbox, but ask anyone who has played Devil May Cry if they have seen as graphically impressive game on any other console, and you will be hard pushed to find a yes answer.
So, this award goes to the PS2, as a hardware platform, independent of the games available for the system. No one will ever own every game available for any console, so voting based on games collections is all fine and well, but the games which are exclusive to the PS2 show that it is a hardware system to be reckoned with. Cross platform games will always be worse on the PS2 than other consoles due to the unique architecture of the system, but anything written specifically for the PS2 hardware will blow the socks of anyone who knows how 3D graphics systems work, more than a game on the Gamecube or Xbox ever could.
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